The Return of My Apple Challenge

Psudopod · Aug 28, 2007

The problem with the analogy of the apple and comparing it to the world is you can't really give a lot of history to an apple. You can take the new ex-nihilo apple and put it next to one that has been growing, and the'd probably look quite similar.

The world is 4.6billion years old, and it has been around for 4.6billion years. We can tell this, because it has picked up 4.6 billion years worth of scars over this time.

If you were to tell me you had created a person ex-nihilio, I'd be very suspcious if he had an appendictomy scar. It's not to say you couldn't have created a post surgery human, but what would be the point? It just makes your audience suspcious.

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

EnemyPartyII said:
and the platypus

Before I comment, are you putting forward the Platypus as evidence for creationism.

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

shmee said:
Do you really think this is going to convince anybody?

Yes --- you, for one. If I created an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand, and you went and told your friend I did this, and he didn't believe you --- you are the one who would know he was wrong.

He may not know it --- but you would.

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

ChordatesLegacy said:
If you could produce an apple in your hand, it would be worth investigating. But you cannot, so the question is hypothetical, therefore the answers are also hypothetical.

So the answer to you question is I would explain it hypothetically, which is the same explanation religious people use to explain everything, and we know how often they got it right.

F

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

AV1611VET said:
Yes --- you, for one. If I created an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand, and you went and told your friend I did this, and he didn't believe you --- you are the one who would know he was wrong.

He may not know it --- but you would.

You are still in the hypothetical world, where anything is possible, but nothing really happens.

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

ChordatesLegacy said:
You cannot prove creationism using evidence as there is no evidence...

You're wrong here --- I already showed how it could be done.

EnemyPartyII · Aug 28, 2007

ChordatesLegacy said:
Before I comment, are you putting forward the Platypus as evidence for creationism.

I merely submit that the platypus is part of what Creationists rely on...

(actually, the platypus is an excelent example of an extant intermediate form, it would be hard to find a better example that SUPPORTS evolutionary theory... however, its mouth parts and feet KINDA look like a duck's, and so Creationists, in a wierd kind of retro-evolutionary leap of logic, say that its obviously halfway between a duck and a beaver, and therefore disproves evolution because ducks don't breed with beavers. Or something. I'm hazy on the details, I'm sure Ken Ham explains it better than I do)

EnemyPartyII · Aug 28, 2007

Isn't this all really rather moot until AV16VET ACTUALLY creates an apple, ex nihilo?

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

AV1611VET said:
F

I suppose F is as good an answer as any other in a hypothetical world.

You realise it is impossible to win or lose a hypothetical argument, that's why creationist love them so much, they know they can't lose, but they also can't win.

In the real world, creationists always lose.

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

Psudopod said:
The problem with the analogy of the apple and comparing it to the world is you can't really give a lot of history to an apple. You can take the new ex-nihilo apple and put it next to one that has been growing, and the'd probably look quite similar.

The world is 4.6billion years old, and it has been around for 4.6billion years. We can tell this, because it has picked up 4.6 billion years worth of scars over this time.

If you were to tell me you had created a person ex-nihilio, I'd be very suspcious if he had an appendictomy scar. It's not to say you couldn't have created a post surgery human, but what would be the point? It just makes your audience suspcious.

F

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

AV1611VET said:
F

Surly even someone with limited intellect can come up with a more simulating answer that F.

Psudopod · Aug 28, 2007

You may not like it, but ou haven't addressed the point.

In hypothetical-world, the apple may be flawless. I can't really check a hypothetical apple can I?

In the real world, that we all live in now, the earth has 46 billion years of history. Until you can produce an analogy that works, we will keep rejecting it. You can dismiss those rejections with your cute little Fs, but you're only proving that you can't address the arguments.

EnemyPartyII · Aug 28, 2007

In hypothetical-land... Apples created ex nihilo always display the properties of hand grenades... hypothetically

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

Psudopod said:
You may not like it, but ou haven't addressed the point.

In hypothetical-world, the apple may be flawless. I can't really check a hypothetical apple can I?

In the real world, that we all live in now, the earth has 46 billion years of history. Until you can produce an analogy that works, we will keep rejecting it. You can dismiss those rejections with your cute little Fs, but you're only proving that you can't address the arguments.

He always avoids the arguments, particularly when hes losing, which is almost all the time.

Psudopod · Aug 28, 2007

In hypothetical-land apple eat you!

Psudopod · Aug 28, 2007

He always avoids the arguments, particularly when he’s losing, which is almost all the time.

Oh, I know, I've played this game before. I just though I'd spell it out to anyone watching, as you know Avet is going to claim that no one could answer his challenge.

Click to expand...

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

ChordatesLegacy said:
Surly even someone with limited intellect can come up with a more simulating answer that F.

Hey --- you earned it.

AV1611VET · Aug 28, 2007

Psudopod said:
You may not like it, but ou haven't addressed the point.

In hypothetical-world, the apple may be flawless. I can't really check a hypothetical apple can I?

In the real world, that we all live in now, the earth has 46 billion years of history. Until you can produce an analogy that works, we will keep rejecting it. You can dismiss those rejections with your cute little Fs, but you're only proving that you can't address the arguments.

ChordatesLegacy said:
He always avoids the arguments, particularly when hes losing, which is almost all the time.

I have an excellent question for her post I'm dying to ask, but I am not going to participate in getting this thread off-track.

Tomk80 · Aug 28, 2007

AV1611VET said:
I have an excellent question for her post I'm dying to ask, but I am not going to participate in getting this thread off-track.

Off-track? The thread started miles out of the field to begin with.

ChordatesLegacy · Aug 28, 2007

AV1611VET said:
Hey --- you earned it.

Your threads do come in handy, I use them in class to show how not to conduct a discussion, unless you want to look intellectually inadequate.

So thank you for that, keep it up .

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