The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[Butch5]

Dear Butch: I will defend my position till the cows come home! I know this, our God dwells in mystery & every aspect of Him comes by disclosure of the anointing Spirit of the Lord. I cannot, & refuse to attempt that which is in His dept.

From Him the all, through Him the all, for Him the all...

You will defend it? But you haven't. To claim mystery is just another way to side step the issue. I hear the "it's a mystery" argument quite often. The "it's a mystery" argument usually means one cannot defend their position or it's a logical contradiction. The apostle Peter told believers to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in them. You don't seem to be willing to do that.

 

[FineLinen]

You will defend it? But you haven't. To claim mystery is just another way to side step the issue. I hear the "it's a mystery" argument quite often. The "it's a mystery" argument usually means one cannot defend their position or it's a logical contradiction. The apostle Peter told believers to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in them. You don't seem to be willing to do that.

Dear Butch: where would you like to start? Perhaps ta panta would be an excellent beginning.

 

[Butch5]

Dear Butch: where would you like to start? Perhaps ta panta would be an excellent beginning.

So far I've only seen the arguments of others. I haven't seen your argument.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear friends: the passage regarding the lost sheep our Master is illustrating in His words of zao Life are so very powerful.

On these 109 pages we have looked at destruction from our Father's viewpoint.

The plain wording for destruction is apollumi. Perhaps it would be interesting to behold what apollumi in "plain wording" means?

GREEK WORD STUDIES ἀπόλλυμι, 'apollumi' for 'Perish, Destroy'

"What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he apollumi one of them, does not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is apollumi, until he find it?"

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also apollumi without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.."

"Do not labor for the meat which apollumi, but for that meat which endures to everlasting life..."

"But if your brother is grieved with your meat, now do you not walk charitably. Do not apollumi him with your meat, for whom Christ died.

"He who loves his life shall apollumi it; and he who hates his life in this world shall keep it to life eternal."

 

[FineLinen]

Staking Out a Claim in Godness Territory

To stake out a claim in territory of Godness is the ultimate trespass. The territory of, and which is, Godness, permits no squatters. Venturing a claim there to even the tiniest plot is verboten---nay; no way; nix that; nyet! Yet to attempt such infamy is encouraged by conventional Christian teaching. Not only is it encouraged, it is considered an absolute necessity for setting forth, and traveling successfully, on the Way.

It's not any old plot within Godness territory we're talking about. It's a place of vastly strategic importance. It is situated on Deity high ground. Allow me to explain:

With whatever else it is that characterizes God, be it known that one characteristic stands out as clearly as any other, i.e., GOD ALWAYS HAS HIS WAY IN ALL THINGS...ABSOLUTELY! There is no place for compromise on that point; there's no, "Well, golly gee, My little creatures, I'll cede over to y'all that particularly strategic stronghold of sovereignty. After all, I want my kingdom to include a democratic principle. Y'all deserve a vote on how We do things around here. If y'all don't like what I propose, speak up, I'll listen and make whatever adjustments are necessary to not infringe on your 'free will,' on your claim to a portion of My sovereignty. Share and share alike, is what I say."

This nonsense must be cleared up in advance of the consummation of all things, and it will be, for it is

"...that every knee will bow, of those in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2: 10, 11 NASB) Jesus is not the One who bends His knee to us, except, in His self-emptying, to figuratively wash our feet, as He who came not to be served, but to serve, and give His life a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45) Nothing can stand in the way of His Lordship. Being Lord means that all authority has been given to Him in heaven and earth, with the power to enforce His authority. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 7:12)

There is among most Christians the idea that though the Father desires great and good things for all mankind, yet they insist that things will not actually turn out that way.

They imagine that the Lordship of Christ simply amounts to Him having the authority and power to punish us for not letting Him have His Way, i.e., since they've staked out that strategic plot within the territory of sovereignty. They think it simply means He's bigger and stronger than us, and if He can't have His way, then according to the authority vested in Him by God, with the corresponding power, He'll show us who's boss vindictively.

We need to consider how determined Father and Son are. It's the cross of Christ that reveals God's determination to have His Way. He was of a mind and will to BE, in action, what He IS by nature: perfect Love. It meant the Way of the Cross; The Via Dolorosa. With the Father, and our Lord Jesus, it was, "so be it," and it was. Do you dare imagine that God will allow even one drop of the precious shed blood of Christ to turn out to be wasted, of having no final application to some souls? Do you dare imagine that God is a God who will settle for cutting His losses as best He can? Or do you imagine that They never planned on a universally grand and good conclusion, as is shamefully insisted by our Calvinist brethren.

Don't think I'm only getting in the face of our Calvinist brethren. While they insist that God, from eternity, has elected some to salvation, and all the rest to damnation, and it's in that sense that God has His Way, Arminianism perceives God to have chosen to be subject to the will of man. Dare we imagine that God will be denied the holy desire of His heart? How utterly pathetic it is that Christians have settled on it having to be one or the other of the above. The intellectual contortions involved in trying to prove one or the other would be laughable if it were not actually a matter of bearing false witness against God.

Grand and glorious is the Divine plan: God will settle for nothing less than sharing Himself in all His glory with all mankind in a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. (Isa. 40:5; Hab. 2:14; 2Pet. 3:13) Through Isaiah, the Lord testified that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will fill all the earth as the waters cover the sea. The sense of that glorious statement is that, when compared with the New Testament's teaching on knowing God, it conveys that all that is earthen will be filled with the experiential and intimate knowledge of the Lord. God Himself will be what we in divine fellowship KNOW. Reality and perception shall finally meet as one. That is, we shall know God, as God knows Himself. I'm raising an issue here that is at the heart of the refreshed reformation that is presently making itself known in pulpit and pew, among the formally trained in theology, and among those who, though not formally trained in such things, know simply that their God is a good God, good always, and good to all.

-John Gavazzoli-

 

[FineLinen]

Andrew Jukes: The 2nd Death & The Restitution Of All Things

The Restitution of All Things, Andrew Jukes

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Andrew Jukes

Thomas Allin: Christ Triumphant

Thomas Allin: Christ Triumphant

Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin

From Him the all, through Him the all, in Him the all

 

[FineLinen]

J. Preston Eby

The highest glories of the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, are revealed to us in Paul’s epistle to the Colossians. In the beginning He was “…the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist” (Col. 1:15-17). Can the UNIVERSALITY of Christ’s creation be more forcibly expressed? In every case the word ALL is used WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION whatever. The heavens and the earth with all that is in them, visible and invisible, include ALL creation.

https://kingdom-resources.com/2017/...rld-reconciliation-in-the-heavens-chapter-15/

 

[FineLinen]

This is the issue.

Does the power of sin and despair reign supreme in Adam1, or does the “all the more” of the Last Adam, Jesus Christ prevail?

Grace Abounding Over Adam’s Fall=

“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life”
(Romans 5:18).

A.E. Saxby, in God in Redemption 1, gives us a wonderfully logical reason for rejecting the notion that God will condemn anyone to eternal damnation and suffering, and rather proves that He has provided for the salvation of all mankind.

He says,

If a human act was effectual for ruin, how much more shall a Divine act be effectual for salvation?
How quickly we believers will latch on to some fragment of a verse, in a whole context, to prove a negative perception and then propagate it as truth, to the total exclusion of the whole context of the doctrine being presented.

Why do we so easily jump to conclude all men to condemnation, but find it so terribly difficult to accept with the same unabashedness the accompanying text which says that “the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life”?

How can anyone think that as the first Adam’s act could bring about the “ruin” of all of his descendants, that the second Adam’s act was nowhere near as efficacious to provide the remedy whereby all of those descendants would be rescued from such a penalty? It’s really quite an illogical act of mental gymnastics to interpret Romans 5that way.

It is rather amazing that we never consider that as sin abounded in its effect on all of the first Adam’s posterity, God’s “grace did much more abound” (Romans 5:20).

Thus, if the first Adam’s act was so powerful as to affect the ruin of all of his future generations, how much less of an effect would God’s grace be through the redeeming act of the Second Adam, that even one of those offspring could be eternally lost forever to the loving grace of His Creator and Father?

It is too much to comprehend that we serve a God and Father so callous to the welfare of His creation, that He would allow any one of His dear creatures to go unprovided for in the eternal plan of His “great love wherewith He loved us.”

Note: 1. God in Redemption by A.E. Saxby, reprinted by Bible Student’s Press (2008).

http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/Sneidar/grace.htm

 

[FineLinen]

Who then can be saved?

That salvation is of man and his works is shared by many of us who are Christians.

We’ve portrayed God as having done all He could do to save mankind more than 2000 years ago. So now, supposedly, it’s up to mankind to perform the remaining essential of exercising the good work of faith, or else suffer everlasting consequences.

We have looked upon salvation as a joint effort between man and God, and as primarily what we do for Him. With this teaching man is exalted, self righteousness flourishes, and God is stripped of His sovereignty!

But our salvation ‘is not of him that willeth’ (any decision we make of ourselves), ‘nor of him that runneth’ (any effort we put forth of ourselves), but of God Who showeth mercy! (Romans 9:16)

Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment in the lake of fire?!

How absurd!

Christ is the Saviour of the world (Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"

-Kenneth Brix-

 

[FineLinen]

Help of the Helpless

Daring to extrapolate the full implications of Jesus' statement, "Without Me, you can do nothing," I reached the conclusion years ago that the point of intersection of the sovereignty of God and the collective believers' subjective state is an intersection of the Father's decision to act, and our fully recognized state of utter helplessness until He does.

I expect to see indication of the impending, final, consummate move of God in an accelerated realization of our poverty of spirit; that is, of having no autonomous spiritual resources in ourselves. As long as we imagine that God is awaiting our facilitating of His purpose, we deceive ourselves into thinking that we are not, in fact, spiritually bankrupt in and of ourselves and bereft of any ability to contribute to the doing of God.

Nowhere are we told that we are to be God's helpers, but rather, God is "our help in time of need." But we must face how great is our need. Does the Lord simply step in to add His strength to ours? Is that the meaning of the Lord as our Helper? No, certainly not! He is the Helper of the utterly helpless, not of those who merely need Him to supercharge their efforts.

There is no positive place in the administration of God for joint-enterprise; no place for, "If you will do your part, God will do His"; "God helps those who help themselves"; 'God is waiting for you to......"; "You need to let God...."

The Lord has granted us in Christ a non-contributing, fully-participating partnership in the fulfillment of His purpose for man for His glory, a glory that He freely gives by grace to us without any element of meriting the same. Thus, nothing can substitute for a good dose of failure to qualify one for this mode of participation.

The world exalts those whom it judges to "have the right stuff," but it is very apparent in scripture's record of the history of many of the men and women within whom God worked, that at some point their preparation for service brought them, not to a place where they said, 'I'm ready, Lord; I've got the right stuff,' but rather, if I may paraphrase a rhetorical collage of their combined attitude: "What, me? You've got to be kidding, Lord. I don't have what it takes." -John Gavazzoni-

 

[FineLinen]

The Nature of Love
By John Gavazzoni


In the way of laying a foundation for understanding the relationship between God's gift and His grace, I think we have to consider the relationship between those attributes of God that are particularly highlighted in scripture. It could be said that all the characteristics that are properly ascribed to the Divine Nature find their center in the truth that God is love, so that when God is described also, for instance, as light, spirit and consuming fire, such descriptions essentially explain the meaning and nature of divine love.

That God is light, speaks to us of the fact that it is the nature of love to enlighten, to GIVE understanding. God's love is self-revelatory. It shines out of its essence and needs nothing outside of itself to make itself known. That God is spirit confronts us with the truth, that in spite of the propensity of divine love to subject itself to all that is adversarial to its existence, love is still, underneath all that hostility, universally and constitutionally pervasive. It is the spirit that constitutes all being, all existence. It's what "makes the world go around," from within, and is what gives all things their cohesiveness.

That God is a consuming fire encourages us to trust that the inner love-spirit essence of all things, from the inside out, will cleanse itself from all that seeks to defile it. The divine nature of love can be afflicted by such defilement but it can never in its essence be defiled. On this foundation rests our salvation.

So it is with the gift of God, and the graciousness of God. As it is true that when we speak of God as spirit, light, and consuming fire, we are essentially explaining the nature of love — those other attributes do not stand alongside love, they explain love as they are the unfolding of love's nature, so when we speak of the grace of God, we are, really redundantly, explaining the nature of His gift; that it is, in fact, free. We are emphasizing the obvious, that God's gift cannot be earned. It is, as all gifts should be, freely given. It is what it is — His gift. The grace of God is, to my understanding, simply God's givingness.

God's gift and God's grace do not stand alongside one another. As Jesus said of His relationship with the Father, "I and the Father are One," so also, God's gift (Christ) and His grace (His givingness) are one. He is graciously giving. He gifts us out from His nature of givingness. Finally understood, God only has one gift for mankind, and that is the gift of His Son.

In Him are all the riches of the glory of God's grace. We need to see the obvious, that Paul's expression, "the glory of His grace" simply means, His grace's glory. God is gloriously gracious, and we see grace's glory in the face of Jesus Christ. In Him we see summed up the givingness of God, and NO decision on the part of man can frustrate the givingness of God. He WILL give Himself, in His Son, to all creation until all creation is full of His glory, so that all creation will come to realize its true inner constitution. This is the essence of the Kingdom of God.

 

[FineLinen]

Henry Drummand

The Greatest Thing In The World

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THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD

In the Book of Matthew, where the Judgment Day is depicted for us in the imagery of One seated upon a throne and dividing the sheep from the goats, the test of a man then is not, "How have I believed?" but "How have I loved?" The test of religion, the final test of religion, is not religiousness, but Love. I say the final test of religion at that great Day is not religiousness, but Love; not what I have done, not what I have believed, not what I have achieved, but how I have discharged the common charities of life. Sins of commission in that awful indictment are not even referred to. By what we have not done, by sins of omission, we are judged. It could not be otherwise. For the withholding of love is the negation of the spirit of Christ, the proof that we never knew Him, that for us He lived in vain. It means that He suggested nothing in all our thoughts, that He inspired nothing in all our lives, that we were not once near enough to Him to be seized with the spell of His compassion for the world. It means that:--

"I lived for myself, I thought for myself,
For myself, and none beside--
Just as if Jesus had never lived,
As if He had never died."

It is the Son of Man before whom the nations of the world shall be gathered. It is in the presence of Humanity that we shall be charged. And the spectacle itself, the mere sight of it, will silently judge each one. Those will be there whom we have met and helped: or there, the unpitied multitude whom we neglected or despised. No other Witness need be summoned. No other charge than lovelessness shall be preferred. Be not deceived. The words which all of us shall one Day hear, sound not of theology but of life, not of churches and saints but of the hungry and the poor, not of creeds and doctrines but of shelter and clothing, not of Bibles and prayer-books but of cups of cold water in the name of Christ. Thank God the Christianity of to-day is coming nearer the world's need. Live to help that on. Thank God men know better, by a hairsbreadth, what religion is, what God is, who Christ is, where Christ is. Who is Christ? He who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick. And where is Christ? Where?--whoso shall receive a little child in My name receiveth Me. And who are Christ's? Every one that loveth is born of God.

 

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Questions

If God knew, when he created, what the end of each soul would be, is not that end as certain as if it was decreed?

Is not the merciful man always merciful to his beast?

Will not the merciful God be always as merciful to His creatures, as the merciful man is to his beast?

Is it true that the "tender mercies of the Lord are over all his works?" -- (Ps. 145:9)

Is it true that the Almighty is without variableness, or the shadow of turning?

Would there be any tender mercy in the infliction of endless misery?

Are the tender mercies of the Lord like unto the tender mercies of the wicked which are cruel?

If God is not the Father of sinners, why should sinners pray, saying, "Our Father, forgive us our trespasses?"

"Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?" -- (Mal. 2:10)

If God be the Father of all men, will He do less for His children than earthly parents would do for theirs?

Is it true that God punishes us "for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness?" -- (Heb. 12:11)
Would endless punishment be for our profit?

Questions Without Answers

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If someone does not , they are not.

If God is not the Father of sinners, why should sinners pray, saying, "Our Father, forgive us our trespasses?"

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No. Jesus and the disciples , 1st century through today,
identified clearly children of hasatan, children of the devil, in Scripture and historically and recently. All in Harmony with all Scripture.

"Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?" -- (Mal. 2:10)

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Yes, for if God were not a Perfect Judge, without iniquity, and if He did not Judge in His Righteousness, then His Righteousness would be worthless, meaning nothing, excusing sons of the devil without Righteousness and without Perfect Justice (i.e. with iniquity in Himself, in God, if He did that)

Would endless punishment be for our profit?

Thus perpetrators, traitors of the Faith of the Gospel of Jesus,
teachers of false gospels, are perverting God's Word, and preventing others from finding the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear slave boy: Our Father is a perfect Father. All aspects of His Person flow from His Fatherhood.

Make this a new Year, slave Jeff! Stand before the vibrating tongs of Heaven & be tuned.

From Him the all, through Him the all, for Him the all

God is the ta panta of the all. Not "panta" standing alone, "ta" preceding it!

 

[FineLinen]

Here is a God worthy of your worship and adoration!

Salvation of All

"For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all" (Romans 11:32).

"Our Savior, God, Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4).

"We rely on the living God, Who is the Savior of all mankind" (1 Timothy 4:10).

Justification of All

"Through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also ... through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying" (Romans 5:18).

Vivification (making alive) of All

"For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified" (1 Corinthians 15:22).

Reconciliation of All

"Through Him to reconcile all to Him, making peace through the blood of His cross" (Colossians 1:20).

The Grandest Truth in the Scriptures

 

[FineLinen]

A Little Talk With Jesus

The reader may need to exercise some patience if I seem to be indulging in a bit of elderly maudlin sentimentality. Shortly, I'll be calling upon an old gospel song in support of a message that has been insistently demanding my heart's attention. Unlike the great horse, Silver, coming out of the past with thundering hoof beats, the words of a song going back to the earliest days of the beginning of my walk with Jesus, sneaked gently out of the past into my memory on softly padded feet.

As I tried to remember the words as accurately as possible, I realized that its message provided a perfect complement to the sometimes whisperings, sometimes thunderings, of the Spirit's Jesus-centering voice. I'm sure my recollection is not word-perfect, but this is close to what Oswald J Smith penned:

"I once was lost in sin, but Jesus took me in,
And then a little light from heaven filled my soul.
It bathed my heart in love, and wrote my name above,
And just a little talk with Jesus made me whole."Now let us have a little talk with Jesus,
Let us tell Him all about our troubles.
He will hear our faintest cry,
And He will answer bye and bye.
Now when you feel a little prayer wheel turning,
And you know a little fire is burning,
You will find a little talk with Jesus makes it right."

God, in His wisdom, has imposed upon our five-senses dominated eonian consciousness a most strategic futility. In a word, we are entirely incapable of figuring out God. What is so maddening is that in the deepest recesses of our being, we know that He desires that we come to know Him in the full splendor of His Being. But when, to our thinking, He remains stubbornly veiled from us, a deception enters in that first suggests, then follows up with insistence, that we take some God-seeking initiative.

This leads to us tuning into SOME of what God knows, WITHOUT KNOWING GOD.

We think, as it were, that we can sneak in the back door, grab a little God-kind-of-knowledge, so that, to change the metaphor, we can "get this show on the road." What we get is the knowledge that Paul warned about, the knowledge that "puffs up" instead of "builds up."

-Continued below-

Writings Of John Gavazzoni - Just a Little Talk with Jesus

 

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Be ye reconciled

“I came not to judge the world but to save the world" -John 12:27

“When I first began to believe in the reconciliation of the world, I fell on my knees and put my head on the floor and cried tears of joy. The revelation came to me in a flash, like lightning and immediately I received it as truth.

God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them. 2 Cor.5:19.

All will be judged then reconciled back to God so that He will be All in all.

God is a consuming fire and will burn out all the dross from everyone."

– Virgene Andrews-

" And I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to Me and gather them around Me."

 

[FineLinen]

Facts=

Death Rate Worldwide=

8 per 1000 population.

55.3 million yearly.

151,600 daily.

6,316 hourly.

2 Samuel 14:14 - Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die.

"We all must die & are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored."

 

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