The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

FineLinen said:

'It reflects what can only be described as an Alice-in-Wonderland reality, in which the only sense is nonsense, and logic is the enemy. This book will seek to explore some of its many logical inconsistencies and, in the process, propose a perfectly viable--and biblical--alternative.


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FineLinen, what book are you referring to?

"Calvinist Universalist" sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Have you read the book?

Lazarus Short said:

"Calvinist Universalist" sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Have you read the book?

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That could refer to 4 point Calvinist, perhaps.

Poll: Can I be a Calvinist and a Universalist?

I've read quite a bit of the book.

Jan Bonda also held to what might be termed Calvinistic Universal Salvation. He wrote a book in support of Universalism called "The One Purpose of God".

ClementofA said:

That could refer to 4 point Calvinist, perhaps.

Poll: Can I be a Calvinist and a Universalist?

I've read quite a bit of the book.

Jan Bonda also held to what might be termed Calvinistic Universal Salvation. He wrote a book in support of Universalism called "The One Purpose of God".

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Ah! Maybe I have too fixed in my mind that "you're all going to Hell" in relation to Calvinism.

The poll choice of "Only if you have been predestined to do so" is amusing.

Fine Linen, your understanding of Greek is far beyond mine, but I do understand that the entire created Cosmos is to be saved and made new.

FineLinen said:

Saviour of the World Series -J. Preston Eby- Kingdom Bible Studies: J. Preston Eby, Kingdom of God; Saviour of The World Preston Eby Testimony

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through faith:
1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:7　 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:　

1 Peter 1:8　 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:　

1 Peter 1:9　 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.　

FineLinen said:

Dear Red: You will note the following word IN/EN in the koine. Not only will every knee bow IN the Name of Jesus Christ, (not "at" the sound of His Name), but in union with the Name. The worship, yes worship, is IN/EN the Name of all names, by all beings in all dimensions of creation, the heavens, the earth, & the underworld. And yes, Red, the worship is not by perfunctory genuflections!
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Robertson Word Pictures That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι— hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi). First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13. Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T.

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Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

For the rest: Deuteronomy 7:2-4 and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them.

(3) Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son.

(4) For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the LORD will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly.

FineLinen said:

Divine Fire

The Divine Fire

"The fire does not "begin a new regime" or alter the form of being as your author claims."

My friend: The essence of our God is Fire (also Light/Spirit/Love/Saviour). I assure you the Fire of His essence transforms everything it touches, EVERYTHING!

"Behold I make ALL things new"

New= kainos=

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- new, fresh

Kainos= Unprecedented.

Without previous instance

Never before known or experienced

Unexampled or unparalleled.

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1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:7　 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:　

1 Peter 1:8　 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:　

1 Peter 1:9　 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your

He-man, your M.O. is: post a verse (or list of verses). Then, after i answer them, ignore my answer & post another verse/verses. All of your verses have been addressed before.

Now, let's see, which of the verses on his list shall i answer today. How about:

he-man said:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting penalty: but the righteous into life eternal.

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Let us look at this verse again:

"And these shall go away into eternal (aiōnios) punishment: but the righteous into life eternal (aiōnios)" (Mt.25:26).​

Since the structure of this verse is best described as being a "parallelism" then the Greek word aiōnios must carry with it the same meaning in both instances where it is used.

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Then, by the same reasoning, the "parallel" in Rom.5:19 proves Scriptural universalism to be true:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

And your translation of Mt.25:46 contradicts this translation of Lamentations 3:

Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.

While these translations of Mt.25:46 are in harmony with all the verses above i have posted:


The New Testament: A Translation, by Eastern Orthodox scholar David Bentley Hart, 2017, Yale Press):
"And these shall go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age."

Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek Humbly Attempted by Nathaniel Scarlett Assisted by Men of Piety & Literature with notes, 1798:
"And These will go away into onian punishment: but the righteous into onian life."

The New Testament by Abner Kneeland, 1823:
"And these shall go away into aionian punishment*: but the righteous into aionian life."

The New Covenant by Dr. J.W. Hanson, 1884:
"And these shall go away into onian chastisement, and the just into onian life."

Youngs Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, 1898:
"And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during."

The Holy Bible in Modern English, 1903
"And these He will dismiss into a long correction, but the well-doers to an enduring life."

The New Testament in Modern Speech, 1910:
"And these shall go away into the Punishment 1 of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life 1 of the Ages."
1. [Of the Ages] Greek "aeonian."

A Critical Paraphrase of the New Testament by Vincent T. Roth, 1960
"And these shall go away into age-continuing punishment, but the righteous into life age-continuing."

The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, 1976
"And these shall go away into age-abiding *correction, but the righteous into **age-abiding life."

The Twentieth Century New Testament, 1900
"And these last will go away into onian punishment, but the righteous into onian life."

The People's New Covenant, 1925
"And these will depart into age-continuing correction, but the righteous, into age-continuing life."

Emphatic Diaglott, 1942 edition
"And these shall go forth to the aionian 1 cutting-off; but the RIGHTEOUS to aionian Life."

The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, 1958
"And these shall go away into agelasting cutting-off and the just into agelasting life."

The New Testament, a Translation, 1938
"And these will go away into eonian correction, but the righteous into eonian life."

The New Testament, A New Translation, 1980
"Then they will begin to serve a new period of suffering; but God's faithful will enter upon their heavenly life."

Concordant Literal New Testament, 1983
And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."

Rotherham Emphasized Bible, 1959
"And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, But the righteous into age-abiding life."

Jonathan Mitchell N.T. Translation:
"46. "And so, these folks will be going off into an eonian pruning (a lopping-off which lasts for an undetermined length of time; an age-lasting correction; a pruning which has its source and character in the Age), yet the fair and just folks who are in right relationship and are in accord with the Way pointed out [go off] into eonian life (life which has it source and character in the Age; life pertaining to the Age)."
::Jonathan Mitchell's New Testament Translation::

"....the Old Syriac Version [i.e., the Peshi^to], where the one [i.e., uniform] rendering is still more unmistakably clear: ‘These shall go away to the pain of the olam, and these to the life of the olam’–the world to come.” History of Opinions on the Scriptural Doctrine of Retribution: The Peshito

"Of the New Testament, attempts at translation must have been made very early, and among the ancient versions of New Testament Scripture the Syriac in all likelihood is the earliest."
Syriac Versions of the Bible, by Thomas Nicol

"The Peshi^to is, as we have said, the earliest version of the New Testament. Its value and authority it is not easy to over-estimate. Westcott says: “Gregory Bar Hebraeus, one of the most learned and accurate of Syrian writers, relates that the New Testament Peshi^to was ‘made in the time of Thaddeus (the apostle), and Abgarus, King of Edessa,’ when, according to the universal opinion of ancient writers, the apostle went to proclaim Christianity in Mesopotamia” (Canon, p. 259). He adds that Gregory assumes the apostolic origin of the New Testament Peshi^ito as certain, and that it preceded all the sects of the Syrian Church, and was received and appealed to by all."

"How, then, was aionios translated by this version? In support of his own translation Prof. Tayler Lewis says, “So is it ever (translated) in the old Syriac version, where the one rendering is still more unmistakably clear.” “These shall go into the pain of the Olam (the world to come), and these to the life of the Olam (the world to come).” He refers to many other passages, as Matt. xix. 16; Mark x. 17.; Luke xviii. 18; John iii.15: Acts xiii. 46; 1 Tim. vi. 12, in which aionios is rendered belonging to the Olam, the world to come."
History of Opinions on the Scriptural Doctrine of Retribution: The Peshito

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ClementofA said:

He-man, your M.O. is: post a verse (or list of verses). Then, after i answer them, ignore my answer & post another verse/verses. All of your verses have been addressed before.
Now, let's see, which of the verses on his list shall i answer today. How about:
And your translation of Mt.25:46 contradicts this translation of Lamentations 3:
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.[/quote] While these translations of Mt.25:46 are in harmony with all the verses above i have posted:
The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, 1958
"And these shall go away into agelasting cutting-off and the just into agelasting life."The New Testament, a Translation, 1938
"And these will go away into eonian correction, but the righteous into eonian life."
The New Testament, A New Translation, 1980
"Then they will begin to serve a new period of suffering; but God's faithful will enter upon their heavenly life." 213 Questions Without Answers:

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Try to Get it right:
Lamentations 3:25 The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him.
31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever
Here is your answer: You are correct it is everlasting punishment and that is the penalty they will pay: NCV Those people will be punished with a destruction that continues forever. They will be kept away from the Lord and from his great power.

(Darby) who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might,
9 οἵτινες δίκην τίσουσιν ὄλεθρον αἰώνιον ἀπὸ προσώπου τοῦ κυρίου καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς δόξης τῆς ἰσχύος αὐτοῦ,

AMP These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

AMPC Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

CSB They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious strength

CEB They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the Lord’s presence and away from his mighty glory.

DLNT who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength,

EHV Such people will receive a just penalty: eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from his glorious strength,

GW They will pay the penalty by being destroyed forever, by being separated from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious power.

HCSB These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from His glorious strength

LEB who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

NOG They will pay the penalty by being destroyed forever, by being separated from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious power.

NABRE These will pay the penalty of eternal ruin, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power,

NASB These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

NET They will undergo the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

NTE They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his power,

OJB These are the ones who will pay an Onesh of Avaddon Olam (Eternal Destruction [Gehinnom]) away from the Shechinah of Hashem UMEHADAR GE’ONO ("and from the splendor of his majesty" YESHAYAH 2:19),

TPT They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, banished from the Lord’s presence and from the manifestation of his glorious power.

TLV They will pay the price of eternal ruin, away from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power—

VOICE And what’s to become of them? They’ll pay for what they’ve done; their punishment will be eternal destruction. And what’s worse? They’ll be banished from the Lord’s presence and glorious power.

WEB who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might