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John 10:10-11 (ESV2011)
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
if you want me to get complex on explaining the rest of the first biblical quote... God speaks in judgments and commandments in such a way that expresses modes/states of being.
the fear of God is the fear to be apart from him.
Good luck friend! The Goal of the all/ the ta pante, makes it impossible to be "apart from Him".
I know that the destruction of the wicked is a process of salvation
but evil people don't live in the Holy Spirit and that is why they need salvation. what use is it that God is with us if we are not with God?
so what do you call raping a 3 year old then? salvation?
I was one of those little girls, but you know, if i could go back in time and change ONE THING... i would go back to 3 years ago and save my beloved chihuahua's life... if i went back, and changed the abuse, i don't even know whom i would be, and maybe i would never have felt a need for God... i never would have gotten in sooooooooooooo much trouble, that i have been crying out for God to come closer and closer, for the last 20 years...
just sayin'
God CREATES evil... the concept, the possibility, etc... God doesn't do evil...I understand that God uses evil for good. that's his grace. he turns things to our good, that is why the Holy Spirit is the final salvation and third and last person of the Trinity. but be careful that you don't think God is someone that would torture you until you turn to him. there is a difference in being in union with God and in Gods providence over all.
being in union with God is closer to him. merely having his providence over all makes him order all things in the best way while we still keep whatever kinds of nature fallen or not because they have to remain free or they won't exist. and God orders things in a manner that is always trying to pull and direct all things closer to himself.
just because something is said does not mean it is plain, but faith in God is important.
Heb 5:14 (ESV2011)
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.
God gave us freedom by hollowing out himself which means we can make good or evil, in this way God "made" evil. we are each a little room inside of God and God is not rude to take away what he gave even if he does not like the evils people might torture him with.
Luke 6:45 (ESV2011)
The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
or you could say that we are evil and God made us and yet this is not the same as saying that God raped a 3 year old or that he wants it or loves it or thinks it should exist. p.s. I think Jesus might prefer his death over someone raping a 3 y.o.
Luke 11:13 (ESV2011)
If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
God created conditions that take us away from his divine necessity and beauty, so we have freedom. only God is good, as Jesus said. therefore God can't do evil.
3 John 1:11 (ESV2011)
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
Rom 3:5-8 (ESV2011)
But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? ( I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.
God CREATES evil... the concept, the possibility, etc... God doesn't do evil...
tho in Job, it says God hurts people:
Job 5:18-20 King James Version (KJV)
18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.
19 He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.
so if wounding is to be considered evil, then i guess He does, but as Joseph said 'you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.'
God can wound, but only with good in mind... and as i said, if i hadn't been wounded, even up to the kind of wound you asked about... i may not have EVER cried out for God.
yes, my husband is a simple, yet profound man... and i can often get upset about 'evil in the sight of a benevolent God'.... and my husband just says 'how can you know good if you don't know bad?'maybe you could even say that this universe is like a wound. the very way that it is, is devoid of perfection. but there is something right about being weak and nothing. we would be different beings than we are if all we ever knew was pleasure and delights. I don't think I would want to exist if I could not know sorrow.
my baby chihuahua, her name is Zoe... i still cry sometimes when the pain stabs me like a sword... and it was 3 years ago... that might be a wound like that... i still pray to be in heaven with her, someday. the pain drove me insane, and i was in the hospital yelling at Jesus to bring her back... i even thought to leave Jesus if He didn't... but of course, i couldn't leave Him.I believe that everything is for the sake of love.
evil might be bound up with finitude, with mortal weakness.
but it feels special to be like a weak baby chihuahua. I bet God finds us to be quite special, even when we are terrible. i'm sure he would want to heal our wounds if we had them and that he would give us wounds of love that never heal.
my baby chihuahua, her name is Zoe... i still cry sometimes when the pain stabs me like a sword... and it was 3 years ago... that might be a wound like that... i still pray to be in heaven with her, someday. the pain drove me insane, and i was in the hospital yelling at Jesus to bring her back... i even thought to leave Jesus if He didn't... but of course, i couldn't leave Him.
Beautiful testimony. I've never read any of George Hawtin, other than those many quotes of his, from Preston. George McDonald I read a little of way back when, but mostly I heard of him from another brother who was reading his works. Back then our home church consisted of 'most' of those, who had left our home in western Kansas to trek across the state for a retreat in Arkansas. It was there that we first heard 'one' of the multiple speakers that weekend share 'the real gospel'. I believe I had 'the revelation' of the truth at that moment, in my heart of hearts. But being a 'thinker' I believe I honestly spent my 10 years of researching to convince myself as to how it was possible that 'the church' could have been so deceived. Of course, I did find support for the fact that in those first few centuries, most were not deceived and did believe, as we have come to believe.
Thank you for your post, and the reminder that it still is going to require 'revelation from the Spirit of truth' to those still unable to see/hear. It is truly difficult to loosen one's grip on indoctrination, in order to even hear 'that still small voice' speaking through the 'winds of doctrines' that continue to blow today.
EPH 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
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