The rest of the dead is key in determining when the millennium is meaning

[Spiritual Jew]

Can you point out in the feast of tabernacles where there is a single animal sacrificed?

Yes, I can, and it's not hard. Are you somehow not capable of looking this up for yourself?

Leviticus 23:33 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord. 35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Ezra 3:4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

The "offering made by fire unto the Lord" that had to be made "for seven days unto the Lord" was an animal sacrifice.

The details regarding the animal sacrifices and offerings that were required during the feast of tabernacles can be seen here:

Numbers 29:12 And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: 13 And ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; thirteen young bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year; they shall be without blemish: 14 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto every bullock of the thirteen bullocks, two tenth deals to each ram of the two rams, 15 And a several tenth deal to each lamb of the fourteen lambs: 16 And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. 17 And on the second day ye shall offer twelve young bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without spot: 18 And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 19 And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering thereof, and their drink offerings. 20 And on the third day eleven bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish; 21 And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 22 And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering. 23 And on the fourth day ten bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: 24 Their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 25 And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. 26 And on the fifth day nine bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without spot: 27 And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 28 And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering. 29 And on the sixth day eight bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: 30 And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 31 And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering. 32 And on the seventh day seven bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: 33 And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: 34 And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.

In that feast there is a scapegoat let out into the wild. The feast of tabernacles is setting up booths or tents, and bringing the firstfruits of one's harvest in thanks. It is similar to the Thanksgiving celebration of the United States. Each nation would send a delegation to Jerusalem in recognition of the feast of tabernacles each year. This is not even the yearly entering into the Holy of Holies and offering up a sacrifice. Why do you pretend the feast of tabernacles is something it is not?

Why did you make no effort to see what it actually involved, which clearly included animal sacrifices and offerings, as the scriptures I posted above indicate?

"Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts."

Sacrifice is not just about "killing stuff". You do realize that eating food and preparing food to eat, involves pots and bowels? Bringing the firstfruits of a harvest to Jerusalem in the feast of tabernacles is not even the same as the yearly Passover event in the spring. There is no need to kill a Passover Sacrifice any more. Probably not even a need to send a scapegoat out into the wild either. But you keep insinuating the return of the entire Law of Moses, because there is a future millennium talked about in Zechariah 14.

LOL. Keep trying to get around it all you want, but you clearly made no effort to search the scriptures to see what was actually done during the feast of tabernacles. You just made assumptions instead.

In Revelation 15, they sing the song of Moses. Does that mean the return of animal sacrifices is prophecied?

Of course not. How does a song equate to actual descriptions of sacrifices? Do you have any other ridiculous questions?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

This sentence is the classic example of your confusion and error about prophesied end time things.

No one here is more confused than you are except possibly Timtofly. There is a reason why you each believe some things that no one else does. You needlessly create confusion where there is none and it results in doctrines that you have all to yourselves. God doesn't work that way. He does not reveal things to only one person.

The terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal; is not the event when the earth and heavens will be made new. In fact you have argued there is no fire on that Day, so you contradict yourself. [but there will be extreme heat; Isaiah 64:1-2, Malachi 4:1, Jeremiah 17:8]
Jesus does not Return as a thief. This idea is refuted by Revelation 1:7 and other scriptures.

You say things that just blatantly contradict scripture and you think nothing of it. It makes no sense. You say "Jesus does not Return as a thief"? I will go by what Jesus Himself said over anything you say every time.

Revelation 16:15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Do you have no conscience? You are just blatantly contradicting Jesus Himself. Why do you feel no remorse over doing such a thing?

It is the foolish and anti-scripture AMillennium belief that is the cause of your mistaken comments, as above.

Does it get any more foolish and anti-scripture than to say "Jesus does not return as a thief" despite Jesus Himself saying exactly that?

The return to sacrifices and offerings in a new Temple is plainly prophesied.

No, it is not. Your lack of discernment has led you to that conclusion.

Any denials of this is a blatant rejection of many scriptures.

Any acceptance of this is a blatant rejection of the entire New Testament that talks about how Jesus established the new covenant with His blood while at the same time making the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete forever.

 

[keras]

You say "Jesus does not Return as a thief"?

Yes; I say that and I stand by it.
The 'coming' which Jesus is referring to, will be His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, NOT His glorious Return. He will not be seen on the Day He sends fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and to clear the entire Middle east region. Amos 1, Psalms 64, +
There is no fire at His Return, visible to all. Revelation 1:7

If you cannot understand or comprehend these simple Prophesies, then you are beyond help and will be like most people when the Lord arises to reset our civilization; surprised and shocked.

Any acceptance of this is a blatant rejection of the entire New Testament that talks about how Jesus established the new covenant with His blood while at the same time making the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete forever.

Jesus gave us the Promise of a new Covenant and did His side of it. But it will not be made until all of His people are living in the holy Land.
If you think otherwise, you are in contradiction of: Jeremiah 31:31-34. Ezekiel 34:25-31, Isaiah 59:21, Isaiah 51:8, + Please look carefully at these Prophetic scriptures, study their context and see when and to whom the New Covenant will be made.

Try to be less critical and scathing of your brethren, whose beliefs differ from yours. It would be advisable to be sure; from ALL scripture, that your beliefs are right.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Yes; I say that and I stand by it.

Okay, just blatantly contradict what Jesus Himself said then if that's your wish.

So, keras says "Jesus does not return as a thief".

Jesus says: Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

I will accept what Jesus says over what keras says every time.

The 'coming' which Jesus is referring to, will be His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, NOT His glorious Return. He will not be seen on the Day He sends fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and to clear the entire Middle east region. Amos 1, Psalms 64, +
There is no fire at His Return, visible to all. Revelation 1:7

If you cannot understand or comprehend these simple Prophesies, then you are beyond help and will be like most people when the Lord arises to reset our civilization; surprised and shocked.

LOL. Your rhetoric means nothing. You don't have scripture on your side here. You just blatantly contradict very straightforward scripture. How can we be trusted with the rest of scripture when that is the case?

Jesus gave us the Promise of a new Covenant and did His side of it.

He established the new covenant with His blood long ago. Your lack of understanding of elementary Christian principles like this is disturbing.

Try to be less critical and scathing of your brethren, whose beliefs differ from yours. It would be advisable to be sure; from ALL scripture, that your beliefs are right.

Do you know how hypocritical you are being here? Earlier you say I'm beyond help and you think I'm being overly critical? LOL. Do you not even know yourself and do you not recall how rude you have been so many times in the past? Give me a break. You just can't handle it if someone disagrees with you. You should expect disagreement on a forum like this and not be so sensitive about it.

 

[keras]

So, keras says "Jesus does not return as a thief

The Bible says: When the Command is given, when the Archangel's voice is heard, when God's trumpet sounds; THEN the Lord Jesus will descend from heaven. 1 Thess 4:16
This event does NOT 'come as a thief' and Revelation 1:7 says: All the world will see Him, coming with the clouds and will lament in remorse. So it shall be.

You simply fail to differentiate between the Lord's coming in fire on His terrible Day of wrath, surprising and shocking all those who couldn't see it coming, and the glorious Return.
There will be about 10 years between the Day of vengeance and wrath and the Return in glory and power.

He established the new covenant with His blood long ago

The New Covenant will be made between all of the faithful Christian peoples, when they are gathered into all of the holy Land. It will Promise their protection and safety, as these Prophesies plainly state: Jeremiah 31:31-34. Ezekiel 34:25-31, Isaiah 59:21, Isaiah 51:8,
Try reading them, study their context and realize that this Covenant must be made between a living group of people and the Lord. As the ancient Covenants were.
Notice how some of the Christian peoples will violate the Covenant, in the last days. Daniel 11:32

You should expect disagreement on a forum like this and not be so sensitive about it.

Your lack of understanding of elementary Christian principles like this is disturbing.

I can assure you that everything you have said and done, will be taken into account on Judgment Day. 2 Corinthians 5:19

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The Bible says: When the Command is given, when the Archangel's voice is heard, when God's trumpet sounds; THEN the Lord Jesus will descend from heaven. 1 Thess 4:16
This event does NOT 'come as a thief'

If you continue reading about that day into 1 Thess 5 then you should see that it does come as a thief, as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

You simply fail to differentiate between the Lord's coming in fire on His terrible Day of wrath, surprising and shocking all those who couldn't see it coming, and the glorious Return.
There will be about 10 years between the Day of vengeance and wrath and the Return in glory and power.

There is no difference between "the Lord's coming in fire on His terrible Day of wrath" and "the glorious Return". They will happen on the same day.

The New Covenant will be made between all of the faithful Christian peoples, when they are gathered into all of the holy Land. It will Promise their protection and safety, as these Prophesies plainly state: Jeremiah 31:31-34. Ezekiel 34:25-31, Isaiah 59:21, Isaiah 51:8,
Try reading them, study their context and realize that this Covenant must be made between a living group of people and the Lord. As the ancient Covenants were.
Notice how some of the Christian peoples will violate the Covenant, in the last days. Daniel 11:32

The new covenant was already made long ago. It has to do with being saved by the blood of Christ. When you become one of His you have entered into the new covenant. This is Christianity 101 and you are failing the class.

I can assure you that everything you have said and done, will be taken into account on Judgment Day. 2 Corinthians 5:19

That is true of everyone. Do you not think it's true of you?

 

[keras]

If you continue reading about that day into 1 Thess 5 then you should see that it does come as a thief, as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

In 1 Thess 5:1-3, Paul is referring to the Day that will come unexpectedly, which cannot be the Day Jesus Returns.
Jesus does not do sudden destruction, at the glorious Return. Revelation 19:17-21 describes the process of throwing the beast and the false prophet into the Lake f Fire and wiping out the attacking armies. NOT by fire, as will be the case on His Day of wrath.

There is no difference between "the Lord's coming in fire on His terrible Day of wrath" and "the glorious Return". They will happen on the same day.

Impossible.
Both events are well prophesied and they each have totally different outcomes.

The new covenant was already made long ago.

Did Jesus ever say: I now make a new Covenant with you.... or similar?
No; He said: This is [represents] the Blood of the new Covenant......

Obviously you cannot read the scriptures I posted. Because they show you to be wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

rapture/resurrection event to eternal life (before the great tribulation).

no such thing as a (rapture/resurrection) event before the great tribulation found in scripture

Douggg do you post on Worthy Christian Forum as (ChristB4us)?

 

[Douggg]

no such thing as a (rapture/resurrection) event before the great tribulation found in scripture

Douggg do you post on Worthy Christian Forum as (ChristB4us)?

No. I do post on Worthy Christian forum, but as "douggg". I also post at Christian Chat as "douggg".

 

[Spiritual Jew]

In 1 Thess 5:1-3, Paul is referring to the Day that will come unexpectedly, which cannot be the Day Jesus Returns.

Why not? Jesus Himself said He will come as a thief (Revelation 16:15). He was talking about His return. That's what His return is, His second coming. This is very simple, yet you are still missing it.

Jesus does not do sudden destruction, at the glorious Return. Revelation 19:17-21 describes the process of throwing the beast and the false prophet into the Lake f Fire and wiping out the attacking armies. NOT by fire, as will be the case on His Day of wrath.

How are you concluding that the destruction described in Revelation 19:17-21 isn't by fire (not talking about the lake of fire which happens afterwards)? Do you think Jesus will be literally slaying people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth? That is clearly symbolic. So, the literal method of destruction is not described there. It is described in passages like 2 Peter 3:10-12, though.

Impossible.
Both events are well prophesied and they each have totally different outcomes.

Did Jesus ever say: I now make a new Covenant with you.... or similar?
No; He said: This is [represents] the Blood of the new Covenant......

What do you think He shed His blood for? To provide the forgiveness of our sins and the hope of eternal life, right? When we enter into a personal relationship with Christ after repenting of our sins and putting our faith in Him, He forgives us our sins. That is when we enter into the new covenant. Do you think your sins are not forgiven?

Obviously you cannot read the scriptures I posted. Because they show you to be wrong.

You haven't posted any scriptures that show me to be wrong. Most of the time you don't even bother to quote the scriptures themselves and you just give chapter and verse references without showing the actual text that you think supports your claims.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

No. I do post on Worthy Christian forum, but as "douggg". I also post at Christian Chat as "douggg".

What is the reason for the 3 g's at the end? Just curious.

 

[Douggg]

What is the reason for the 3 g's at the end? Just curious.

I intially tried to register at Christian forums as Doug as my screen-name , my actual first name. But that was taken. So then I tried Dougg. That was taken also. So then I tried Douggg - and it went through.

When I went to Worthy Christian and Christians chat - I wanted to keep the same screename that I have at Christian forums so people who also frequent those other forums would quickly recognize me. In the registering process, I made a mistake and forgot to capitalize the "D" , so it is "douggg" at those forums, but "Douggg" at this forum.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I intially tried to register at Christian forums as Doug as my screen-name , my actual first name. But that was taken. So then I tried Dougg. That was taken also. So then I tried Douggg - and it went through.

That's funny that Dougg was already taken.

When I went to Worthy Christian and Christians chat - I wanted to keep the same screename that I have at Christian forums so people who also frequent those other forums would quickly recognize me. In the registering process, I made a mistake and forgot to capitalize the "D" , so it is "douggg" at those forums, but "Douggg" at this forum.

That makes sense. I've wondered about this for awhile, but never got around to asking about it until now.

 

[DavidPT]

That's funny that Dougg was already taken.

It would have been even funnier, had at the time, Doug, Dougg, Douggg, Dougggg, Douggggg, Dougggggg, all been taken and that he had to end up settling for Douggggggg as his screename. Could you imagine what it would be like if all these Dougs were posting in the same forum? I can picture it already. No, you have me confused with one of those other Dougs, my screename only has 4 gs in it. You're thinking of the Doug that has 7 gs in his screename, that's a different Doug, not me. All kidding aside though, I can relate, thus understand, as to why he had to end up choosing Douggg.

 

[Douggg]

It would have been even funnier, had at the time, Doug, Dougg, Douggg, Dougggg, Douggggg, Dougggggg, all been taken and that he had to end up settling for Douggggggg as his screename.

Yeah, I was beginning to wonder about how far I would have to go after the second attempt of Dougg. I don't think there are going to be any more Doug's on this forum.

 

[keras]

You haven't posted any scriptures that show me to be wrong. Most of the time you don't even bother to quote the scriptures themselves and you just give chapter and verse references without showing the actual text that you think supports your claims.

I assumed that you owned a Bible. If you don't, just clicking on the Bible reference brings up the text.
Try actually reading the texts; Jeremiah 31:31-34. Ezekiel 34:25-31, Isaiah 59:20-21, Isaiah 51:1-8, and see that all of them have not yet been fulfilled.
The New Covenant will be made between all of the faithful Christian peoples when they gather into all of the holy Land and the Lord, who will be revealed to them. 2 Thess 1:10, Revelation 14:1

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I assumed that you owned a Bible. If you don't, just clicking on the Bible reference brings up the text.

Reading the text in the verses you referenced doesn't tell me how YOU interpret them and why. Highlighting the parts of those verses that you think support your view would be helpful to see how you are coming to your conclusions. But, I guess that is just too much to ask?

Try actually reading the texts; Jeremiah 31:31-34. Ezekiel 34:25-31, Isaiah 59:20-21, Isaiah 51:1-8, and see that all of them have not yet been fulfilled.

The New Testament authors tell us that passages like Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Isaiah 59:20-21 relate to the new covenant that was established by the blood of Christ long ago. We are spiritually saved under the new covenant. If the new covenant was not yet in effect then we would not be saved and our sins would not be forgiven. With that in mind, how can any Christian think that the new covenant is not yet in effect? That's like saying Jesus did not yet sacrifice Himself for our sins.

The New Covenant will be made between all of the faithful Christian peoples when they gather into all of the holy Land and the Lord, who will be revealed to them. 2 Thess 1:10, Revelation 14:1

Why do you say it "will be made" when scripture says it "WAS ESTABLISHED" long ago already?

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[keras]

Why do you say it "will be made" when scripture says it "WAS ESTABLISHED" long ago already?

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

My Bible does not say...which was....

Like you, I have taken Communion many times and did think it commemorated a new Covenant. But to read Ezekiel 34:22-31; it becomes obvious that the new Covenant; to ensure peace and prosperity to His faithful people, has not yet been made.
It will take extreme and world shaking events for most people to finally see the truths of Gods plans for His people. There isn';t much we can do to prepare for it; just keep firm in our faith and trust the Lord for protection.
THEN: we will see and understand!

 

[Spiritual Jew]

My Bible does not say...which was....

Of course it doesn't. That figures. But, that isn't the only place that talks about the new covenant as something that was established already long ago.

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. 16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

What this passage indicates is that Christ is the one who put the new covenant into effect with His shed blood. As this passage indicates, a will or covenant is not in force and put in effect until the one making it has died and is "not put into effect without blood". So, once Jesus died, the new covenant went into effect. But, I suppose you will say your Bible says something different. I'm really wondering who exactly inspired your Bible.

Like you, I have taken Communion many times and did think it commemorated a new Covenant.

Of course it does.

But to read Ezekiel 34:22-31; it becomes obvious that the new Covenant; to ensure peace and prosperity to His faithful people, has not yet been made.

Of course it has. Are you not at peace? If not, something is wrong.

It will take extreme and world shaking events for most people to finally see the truths of Gods plans for His people.

Why is that when they are written in His word?

There isn';t much we can do to prepare for it; just keep firm in our faith and trust the Lord for protection.
THEN: we will see and understand!

You act as if people have never been through tribulation before. You don't seem to have any concept of what reality is like in most places. I wonder if you have any understanding of verses like these?

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 3:12 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Many people, if they could read your comments, would just roll their eyes and laugh. You act as if going through trials and testing is only a future thing even though many Christ followers have gone through severe trials and testing for the past almost 2,000 years.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. 16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

What this passage indicates is that Christ is the one who put the new covenant into effect with His shed blood.

Humm...glad that you believe that the blood of the Lamb has already been shed on the Cross while he has confirmed a new covenant in which he is a mediator with His new building, right? All occurred at the Cross, agreed? The church already started after Pentecost in 32AD which means... the rebuilding of the fallen temple has already occurred (three days after Christ's death).

This proves that you got the wrong temple in 70AD.