"The Rest of God"

[HIM]

Christ is the Sabbath we should be seeking (preferably in all moments).

Nowhere does it say in the Bible Christ is the Sabbath. You might want to stop reading that book.

 

[HIM]

My thoughts are those of the NT.

The rest of God is the Sabbath rest, which in the NT is Jesus, ...

Nowhere in the Bible does it say in the New Testament that Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say in the New Testament that Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.

Thats why no scripture is ever posted to support this idea. Sad as this teaching reduces Jesus as the creation and not the Creator.

God defined the Sabbath- He both wrote and spoke it and no one is above Him.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The man-made version that Jesus is the Sabbath makes no sense, which is why we are warned not to add to God's Word. Pro 30:5-6

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, (Jesus) and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath (Jesus) to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[Clare73]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say in the New Testament that Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.

Thats why no scripture is ever posted to support this idea.

That is the burden of Heb 3:7-4:11, where in Heb 4:7-10 we rest from our own work to save and in Christ's work which saves completely.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That is the burden of Heb 3:7-4:11, where in Heb 4:7-10 we rest from our own work to save and in Christ's work which saves completely.

Yet not one of those verses says Jesus is a day or a commandment or the Sabbath , nor does this interpretation reconcile with NT scripture on the Sabbath day. NT scripture says the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment not somehow transferred into Jesus. Luke 23:56

 

[guevaraj]

That is the burden of Heb 3:7-4:11, where in Heb 4:7-10 we rest from our own work to save and in Christ's work which saves completely.

Sister, the King James Version (KJV) misidentified "Joshua" before David as "Jesus", forcing the message to seem to refer to the present after Jesus when the original message was about a past mistake in the understanding of the Sabbath by Joshua when they transitioned to a different Sabbath without Manna in the Promised Land. For forty years, when they kept the seventh day with Manna, God tells us in Hebrews that He had punished them not to enter His "day" of rest available since the first week of creation, which they later entered in the Promised Land at an earlier time than the seventh day of the week. Joshua did not pay any attention to the change from a day of the week from morning to morning to the evening to evening Sabbath and assumed wrongly that this earlier Sabbath, from evening to evening, was also the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, overlooking the fact that the days of the week were in the desert from morning to morning for 40 years.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)​

The above blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus is later corrected without correcting its forced twisting effect on the rest of the passage.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 NKJV)​

This blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus hid the true message of the book of Hebrews for generations of readers of the English translation of the scriptures when Jesus wanted us to keep His first week's Sabbath "day" corrected from human tradition since Joshua, where Joshua wrongly thought the Sabbath in Jerusalem was the seventh day of the week when the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden and falls at a different time in Jerusalem, half a day before the seventh day of the week. The KJV twisted the message of the passage to fit their misidentification that many other translations followed even after the misidentification was corrected, but not corrected was its effect on the rest of the message in the book of Hebrews. Many translations continue the error started by the KJV's misidentification of Joshua as Jesus in Hebrews, chapter 4, when Jesus was not before David to make the "good news" of entering the Sabbath be mistranslated as the "gospel" of Jesus. The wrong translation of "gospel" for the phrase the "good news" of entering the Sabbath has influenced wrongly many other Bible translations after the KJV. The newer NKJV fixes the misidentification of Joshua as Jesus but not its effect on the rest of the passage, like the "gospel" of Jesus (not possible before David), for the phrase, the "good news" of entering the Sabbath, first heard by those that died in the desert.

For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. (Hebrews 4:2 NKJV)​

The blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus changed the below "good news" of entering the Sabbath to the above "gospel" of Jesus, forcing the message to seem to be about the present when it is about a past misunderstanding of the Sabbath. The New Living Translation (NLT) was a complete effort from the original languages which finally corrected this twisting of the scriptures by the KJV that influenced so many other translations.

For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. (Hebrews 4:2 NLT)​

Those, like Joshua, who first heard the "good news", that God had prepared this rest" since the first week of creation, were punished not to enter the Sabbath by an "oath" near the Promised Land with Manna, that Joshua later entered before the seventh day of the week from evening to evening, having been prevented from entering the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years from morning to morning near the Promised Land. In the following Hebrews passage corrected from the blunder of the KJV, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the first week of creation remembered in the time zone of creation half a day before the seventh day in Jerusalem. We do not automatically enter the "day" of rest by accepting the "good news" of entering the Sabbath "announced to us just as it was to them" in the desert, like the KJV mistranslated. What we "can" enter is the "day" of rest in the new covenant "announced to us just as it was to them" by understanding how God prevented Joshua from entering the Sabbath for 40 years in the desert by punishing them by having them keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land when the Sabbath is entered earlier than the Seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Clare73]

Yet not one of those verses says Jesus is a day or a commandment or the Sabbath ,

Sabbath means "rest."

There was a (Canaan) rest Israel failed to enter because of unbelief (Heb 3:19, Nu 14).

"Therefore, the promise of entering God's rest still stands. . .There remains then a Sabbath (rest) for the people of God, for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." (Heb 4:1, 9-11).

Where as God rested from the work of creation, the believer ceases his effort to gain salvation by his own works and rests in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

 

[Clare73]

Sister, the King James Version (KJV) misidentified "Joshua" before David as "Jesus",

The good news is that I don't use the KJV, so I am not involved in that error.

Thanks anyway

 

[guevaraj]

Sabbath means "rest."

Sister, the Sabbath is a "day" of rest and the passage tells us of another "day" as the result of understanding the passage in Hebrews. Understanding the passage in Hebrews will give you another "day" of rest than the one thought of since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

There was a (Canaan) rest Israel failed to enter because of unbelief (Heb 3:19, Nu 14).

Canaan was said to be a land of milk and honey, not a land of rest, because Israel would always be surrounded by enemies which God used in the curse part of His blessings and curses to keep them obedient.

"Therefore, the promise of entering God's rest still stands. . .There remains then a Sabbath (rest) for the people of God, for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." (Heb 4:1, 9-11).

You skipped the part where the result of understanding this message is another "day" of rest than the one thought of since Joshua!

Where as God rested from the work of creation, the believer ceases his effort to gain salvation by his own works and rests in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

That fails to be another "day" of rest. The passage specifies that there is another "day" than the one thought since Joshua waiting for the people of God.

The good news is that I don't use the KJV, so I am not involved in that error. Thanks anyway

The New Living Translation (NLT) was a complete effort from the original languages which finally corrected this twisting of the scriptures by the KJV that influenced so many other translations. If you have not read the NLT's book of Hebrews, you are not safe from the influence of the KJV because the KJV has been copied by other translations and they have not done a complete work from the original languages like the NLT.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

That is the burden of Heb 3:7-4:11, where in Heb 4:7-10 we rest from our own work to save and in Christ's work which saves completely.

Nowhere does it state that in those text.

 

[HIM]

Sabbath means "rest."

There was a (Canaan) rest Israel failed to enter because of unbelief (Heb 3:19, Nu 14)..

Yes the spiritual rest due to their constant disobedience.

"Therefore, the promise of entering God's rest still stands. . .There remains then a Sabbath (rest) for the people of God, for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." (Heb 4:1, 9-11).

Where as God rested from the work of creation, the believer ceases his effort to gain salvation by his own works and rests in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

No. "As God did from His" is a direct comparison. God rested from physical work on the Seventh Day, so we who have entered the rest which is the Gospel do they same.

 

[HIM]

The blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus changed the below "good news" of entering the Sabbath to the above "gospel" of Jesus, forcing the message to seem to be about the present when it is about a past misunderstanding of the Sabbath. The New Living Translation (NLT) was a complete effort from the original languages which finally corrected this twisting of the scriptures by the KJV that influenced so many other translations.

Though they claim to be a translation the NLT is a paraphrase rather than a translation in a lot of texts. In other words it says what one thinks the text says rather than what the text actually states. Take care when using it

 

[HIM]

Thats why no scripture is ever posted to support this idea. Sad as this teaching reduces Jesus as the creation and not the Creator.

Happy Sabbath friend!
Not one iota without adding to the text.

God defined the Sabbath- He both wrote and spoke it and no one is above Him.

Amen! And He is our rest through Christ that empowers us have the Spiritual rest which is the Gospel. Which in turn enables us to experience the true physical rest that the Seventh Day is meant for us to experience.

We can't have true physical rest unless we have the true Spiritual rest which is of God through Christ and the Gospel.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The man-made version that Jesus is the Sabbath makes no sense, which is why we are warned not to add to God's Word. Pro 30:5-6

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, (Jesus) and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath (Jesus) to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Great point exhibited! I like the word play you did here. Never thought to do that.

 

[HIM]

"Jesus and Joshua are really the same name, although in different languages. The Greek form (in English) is Jesus. The Hebrew form (in English) is Joshua. "

" both Jesus (the Son of God) and Joshua are written "Ιησους" in the original Greek."

Thanks but A lot of us know this. Is there a reason why you felt to share it?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sabbath means "rest."

There was a (Canaan) rest Israel failed to enter because of unbelief (Heb 3:19, Nu 14).

"Therefore, the promise of entering God's rest still stands. . .There remains then a Sabbath (rest) for the people of God, for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." (Heb 4:1, 9-11).

Where as God rested from the work of creation, the believer ceases his effort to gain salvation by his own works and rests in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

Still not one verse says Jesus is the Sabbath.

A Sabbath rest remains for God's people, which is Sabbath keeping i.e. and is according to the commandment Luke 23:56

There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest here means Sabbath-keeping. It does not say a Jesus rest for God's people, you would be adding that in to make your case- changing God's Word.

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Many of the Israelites did not enter their rest and were consumed in the wilderness for their unbelief and disobedience Heb 4:6

And scripture reveals what they were disobedient to: Hence Heb 4:9-11

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Eze 20: 21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

We do not receive God's rest by being disobedient to God (which is unrest) and we are called not to follow the same example of the Israelites...

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

This is the definition of the rest in verse 11 there are two different rests in Hebrews 4 not one and if we allow the context to reveal itself, it reveals God's will.

katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Definition: rest
Usage: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.

In God's rest there is just peace and obedience to God. God's version Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18, not ours.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

 

[DamianWarS]

This is not a thread for debate. I am merely showing a parallel between characteristics of Sabbath and Christ without the conclusions. Those are also my added thoughts and not explicitly made by the book itself. Christ cannot be reduced to something created but certainly the rest of God also cannot be reduced to a day. That's not me calling Christ the Sabbath but let's not reduce this to one dementional thinking. I am leaving the conclusions for personal reflection and if you wish to add your thoughts only add don't take away from someone else so don't contradict someone else's post. Please keep your debate for some other thread. This is explict in the OP so please respect these wishes.

 

[HIM]

Just as a footnote of sorts ,

Ok thanks

since this thread is "not for debate",

It is the wrong forum if that is desired.
Here is a quote from statement of purpose “forum will respect all members of the Christian faith. Honest and vigorous discussion and debate is welcomed, but simply attacking “ just because a member doesn’t wish doesn’t make it so.

 

[HIM]

This is not a thread for debate. I am merely showing a parallel between characteristics of Sabbath and Christ without the conclusions. Those are also my added thoughts and not explicitly made by the book itself. Christ cannot be reduced to something created but certainly the rest of God also cannot be reduced to a day. That's not me calling Christ the Sabbath but let's not reduce this to one dementional thinking. I am leaving the conclusions for personal reflection and if you wish to add your thoughts only add don't take away from someone else so don't contradict someone else's post. Please keep your debate for some other thread. This is explict in the OP so please respect these wishes.

Then you might want to get this thread moved because debate is welcomed in this forum as per statement of purpose, “forum will respect all members of the Christian faith. Honest and vigorous discussion and debate is welcomed, but simply attacking…” is allowed in the “Sabbath and the Law” forum.

 

[Clare73]

Sister, the Sabbath is a "day" of rest and the passage tells us of another "day" as the result of understanding the passage in Hebrews. Understanding the passage in Hebrews will give you another "day" of rest than the one thought of since Joshua.

Heb 3:7-4:11 is a warning to Hebrew new Christians, who apparently were considering a return to Judaism, to not fail to enter God's salvation rest in Jesus Christ because of unbelief, as their ancestors had failed to enter Canaan rest (Ex 33:14, Dt 12:9-10, 25:19, Jos 1:13, 1 Kgs 5:4) under Joshua because of unbelief, and were permanently shut out of that rest (Nu 14).

There is no Sabbath day in Heb 3:7-4:11. It is Sabbath rest, as seen in Heb 4:1-5:
"On the seventh day God rested from all his work (Sabbath rest). And again. . ."They shall never enter my rest." (Heb 4:4-5)

That the term "Sabbath rest is used interchangeably with "Canaan rest" is seen in Heb 4:8-9:
"If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
There remains then a Sabbath-rest for the people of God." (Heb 4:8-9)

That Sabbath rest for the people of God is in gospel grace, comfort and holiness,
as well as in an eternal rest in glory.

 

[DamianWarS]

Then you might want to get this thread moved because debate is welcomed in this forum as per statement of purpose, “forum will respect all members of the Christian faith. Honest and vigorous discussion and debate is welcomed, but simply attacking…” is allowed in the “Sabbath and the Law” forum.

The topic is regarding Sabbath and law, my request is to refrain from debate. Sure I can't stop you as per the forum's explictly stated allowed conduct (ie. I'm not reporting anyone) but I can still ask you to respect my wishes. I'm not sure why this needs to be challenged any further.