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Now hold on my bro RND, if you want to see good days refrain your lips from speaking guile, not from tasting hotdogs;)

Long days on the land is connected to honouring your father and mother not pork chops correct?

Chew on that;) lips again and not what goes into them but what comes out right?

What is our life but a vapor that appears for and is gone before you know it? Meats for the belly and the belly for meats God will destroy both them and it
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Did everyone know this month is Hot Dog month :thumbsup:

What are hot dogs made of?

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July is National Hot Dog Month

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Studies show that folks that have a diet free of animal products live significantly longer than those who don't.

Eat up folks!

No pulled pork sammies in Heaven!
That depends whether one is of the Old or New Jerusalem.....

I will have to try this place sometime as I always wanted to meet some real Galileans :)


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Mediterranean delights brought to you by 2 brothers from the North Shore of Galilee. Secret spices enhance these fresh and healthy dishes.

Jerusalem Special - "Grilled"Chicken and pork with chopped onion, bell pepper and our special

Kofta Kabob - "Charbroiled"
Mix of ground lamb and beef with onion, parsley and our special seasonings

Matthew 4:15 Land of Zabulon and land of Nephthalim, way-of sea, across the Jordan, Galilee of the Nations [Isaiah 9:1]

Acts 1:11 who also say "men, Galileans, why? stand ye looking into the heaven.
This the Jesus, the one being taken-up from ye into the heaven, thus shall be coming which manner ye gaze him going into the heaven.

Hebrew 12:22 But ye have come toward to Zion, to a mountain and to a City of living God, a heavenly Jerusalem, to myriads of messengers,
 
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There you go :thumbsup:
So are we free to smoke dope, shoot heroin, or snort coke? If not then there remains a law as to what we can or cannot put in our bodies.

Many people love to suggest that we can eat whatever we want without ever realizing that God "set apart" certain animals for food. Pigs were never food. Goes for a lot of different things. Yet many that put their lips to swine have to problem telling others that smoking dope is a sin. That's called, in a word, hypocrisy.
 
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That depends whether one is of the Old or New Jerusalem.....

I will have to try this place sometime as I always wanted to meet some real Galileans :)


Menu - Jerusalem Cafe
TheJerusalemCafe

Mediterranean delights brought to you by 2 brothers from the North Shore of Galilee. Secret spices enhance these fresh and healthy dishes.

Jerusalem Special - "Grilled"Chicken and pork with chopped onion, bell pepper and our special

Kofta Kabob - "Charbroiled"
Mix of ground lamb and beef with onion, parsley and our special seasonings

Matthew 4:15 Land of Zabulon and land of Nephthalim, way-of sea, across the Jordan, Galilee of the Nations [Isaiah 9:1]

Acts 1:11 who also say "men, Galileans, why? stand ye looking into the heaven. This the Jesus, the one being taken-up from ye into the heaven, thus shall be coming which manner ye gaze him going into the heaven.

Hebrew 12:22 But ye have come toward to Zion, to a mountain and to a City of living God, a heavenly Jerusalem, to myriads of messengers,
Cute. Pigs aren't food however.
 
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See Romans 8:7

Where in that verse does it teach that one can do the law apart of loving God?

Secondly lets look at the context;

1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (bold mine)

Jesus did what the law could not do. The verb πληρωθῇ rendered here as "might be fulfilled" is in the aorist passive so it is not something that we do but something that He did. Christians with saving faith do not set their minds according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, although, not perfectly.

I can eat a ham sandwich and walk according to the Spirit and not of the flesh. It is complete eisegesis to say otherwise.

So Christian then are free to break it.

Continuing with the strawmans are not helping you any. The Jewish law was never given to the Christian but was fulfilled by Christ in the Christian.

Your argument is one that says we've been pardoned and free to continue to break the law.

Rom. 6
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old [c]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [d]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is [e]freed from sin.

Have you died yet? If you have then you are freed from sin.

8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [f]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Do you live your live to God?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting [g]the members of your body to sin as [h]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [i]instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Are you under grace or under the law?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin [j]resulting in death, or of obedience [k]resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that [l]though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [m]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, [n]resulting in sanctification.

God justify the unrighteous by His grace through faith in the Son and declared us righteous. It is a free gift (see Eph. 2) We are in the process of being sanctified.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what [o]benefit were you then [p]deriving [q]from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you [r]derive your [s]benefit, [t]resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Christian with saving faith has already accepted the free gift, consequently has eternal life. Notice that we were (ἦτε active, imperfect rendered here as a past action) slaves to sin but now we are free in regard to righteousness. Again, God declared us righteous by justifying us by His grace through faith in the son. Also notice that we have been freed from sin (ἐλευθερωθέντες declensed here as aorist, passive) not by what we have done but by what Jesus did.

Christians with saving faith have died to Christ and obey Christ from the love that we have for Christ. The law never justified anyone and Jesus nailed it to the cross because it not following a checklist that one obeys God but by the love for God.
 
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So are we free to smoke dope, shoot heroin, or snort coke? If not then there remains a law as to what we can or cannot put in our bodies.

Many people love to suggest that we can eat whatever we want without ever realizing that God "set apart" certain animals for food. Pigs were never food. Goes for a lot of different things. Yet many that put their lips to swine have to problem telling others that smoking dope is a sin. That's called, in a word, hypocrisy.

And the strawmans continue. ^_^
 
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Where in that verse does it teach that one can do the law apart of loving God?

Secondly lets look at the context;

1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (bold mine)

Jesus did what the law could not do. The verb πληρωθῇ rendered here as "might be fulfilled" is in the aorist passive so it is not something that we do but something that He did. Christians with saving faith do not set their minds according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, although, not perfectly.

I can eat a ham sandwich and walk according to the Spirit and not of the flesh. It is complete eisegesis to say otherwise.



Continuing with the strawmans are not helping you any. The Jewish law was never given to the Christian but was fulfilled by Christ in the Christian.



Rom. 6
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old [c]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [d]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is [e]freed from sin.

Have you died yet? If you have then you are freed from sin.

8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [f]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Do you live your live to God?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting [g]the members of your body to sin as [h]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [i]instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Are you under grace or under the law?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin [j]resulting in death, or of obedience [k]resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that [l]though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [m]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, [n]resulting in sanctification.

God justify the unrighteous by His grace through faith in the Son and declared us righteous. It is a free gift (see Eph. 2) We are in the process of being sanctified.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what [o]benefit were you then [p]deriving [q]from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you [r]derive your [s]benefit, [t]resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Christian with saving faith has already accepted the free gift, consequently has eternal life. Notice that we were (ἦτε active, imperfect rendered here as a past action) slaves to sin but now we are free in regard to righteousness. Again, God declared us righteous by justifying us by His grace through faith in the son. Also notice that we have been freed from sin (ἐλευθερωθέντες declensed here as aorist, passive) not by what we have done but by what Jesus did.

Christians with saving faith have died to Christ and obey Christ from the love that we have for Christ. The law never justified anyone and Jesus nailed it to the cross because it not following a checklist that one obeys God but by the love for God.

This throwing in the Jews, like they were set apart to do the impossible, doesn't make sense either.
 
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Where in that verse does it teach that one can do the law apart of loving God?
It says that the law can only be kept in the Spirit and not in the flesh. One can keep the law by the Spirit.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnal, read: unconverted mind can't keep God's law, it's against God's law and even worse it isn't subject (willing to submit) to God's law.

Without the Spirit it is impossible to obey Him.

Secondly lets look at the context;

1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (bold mine)
See verse 5. It doesn't abrogate the law it says how the law is followed.

Jesus did what the law could not do. The verb πληρωθῇ rendered here as "might be fulfilled" is in the aorist passive so it is not something that we do but something that He did. Christians with saving faith do not set their minds according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, although, not perfectly.
So because Jesus filled the law full means we don't have to?

I can eat a ham sandwich and walk according to the Spirit and not of the flesh. It is complete eisegesis to say otherwise.
Or one could look at this and say if you were more complete in the Spirit you would eat swine.



Continuing with the strawmans are not helping you any. The Jewish law was never given to the Christian but was fulfilled by Christ in the Christian.
That's your opinion. Why did the Council at Jerusalem prohibit gentiles from eating strangled meats or blood which were both "Jewish" laws?



Rom. 6
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old [c]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [d]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is [e]freed from sin.

Have you died yet? If you have then you are freed from sin.
Died to self? I'm a work in progress.

8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [f]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Do you live your live to God?
You mean do I work at not destroying the gift that God gave me?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting [g]the members of your body to sin as [h]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [i]instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Are you under grace or under the law?
Grace. Am I free to break God's moral law?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin [j]resulting in death, or of obedience [k]resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that [l]though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [m]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, [n]resulting in sanctification.

God justify the unrighteous by His grace through faith in the Son and declared us righteous. It is a free gift (see Eph. 2) We are in the process of being sanctified.
To which we sin less and less and less and less.... It also means we learn to listen to the good advise of our Heavenly Father.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what [o]benefit were you then [p]deriving [q]from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you [r]derive your [s]benefit, [t]resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Christian with saving faith has already accepted the free gift, consequently has eternal life. Notice that we were (ἦτε active, imperfect rendered here as a past action) slaves to sin but now we are free in regard to righteousness. Again, God declared us righteous by justifying us by His grace through faith in the son. Also notice that we have been freed from sin (ἐλευθερωθέντες declensed here as aorist, passive) not by what we have done but by what Jesus did.
Free to righteousness? No law to follow? Do pardoned people from prison have a right to continue to break the law?
Christians with saving faith have died to Christ and obey Christ from the love that we have for Christ.
No doubt. In that we should walk as He walked and I don't recall He ate ham sammies.

The law never justified anyone and Jesus nailed it to the cross because it not following a checklist that one obeys God but by the love for God.
So then you are saying we are free to do whatever we want as long as we claim to be following Christ. No obligation. I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it.
 
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So are we free to smoke dope, shoot heroin, or snort coke? If not then there remains a law as to what we can or cannot put in our bodies.

You would have to believe you can read "thou shalt not snort coke" from the carnal commandments. And you feel that if "these carnal commandments" which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings were taken away from you that you'd be inclined that way?

How does your question even pertain to the carnal ordinances ( imposed on them) "until"...??

Thus you equal that which was imposed on them (and then) being free from them to "lets snort coke and shoot herion"?

I dont even understand your reasoning

Many people love to suggest that we can eat whatever we want without ever realizing that God "set apart" certain animals for food. Pigs were never food. Goes for a lot of different things. Yet many that put their lips to swine have to problem telling others that smoking dope is a sin. That's called, in a word, hypocrisy.

Some people dont see pork as a sin, and cant get past it and run around judging everyone for everything they put in their mouth (even coke, which isnt mentioned) but it doesnt have to be written in ink for my conscience to condemn an action (and for myself). However it still doesnt change the fact the carnal commandments were written in ink and imposed... UNTIL...

Its the same with "thou shalt not murder" if you think if that was not there (or rather written in stone for you to see) that if it were taken away your desire for murder would increase? I dont know what to tell you, says the power of sin is the law, and also that without the law sin is dead.

Not to mention now in the NC if you just hate your brother your a murderer, and nothing on a piece of stone can make you have love for your brother (even if) you refrain from actually killing him. See what I mean?
 
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So Israel has not been replaced in scripture.

Israel has not been replaced, only the branches which did not believe in Jesus Christ have been broken off, and the Gentiles (who believe in Jesus Christ) have been grafted in.

However, the same branches that have been broken off will be grafted back in when Israel turns back to Christ. They were the original branches, after all.:)
 
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You would have to believe you can read "thou shalt not snort coke" from the carnal commandments. And you feel that if "these carnal commandments" which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings were taken away from you that you'd be inclined that way?
That's just the point. Many people insist just that. They think because they've been "free" from certain rituals they are free to consume anything they wish. That's why I ask the question rhetorically.

How does your question even pertain to the carnal ordinances ( imposed on them) "until"...??
The carnal ordinances dealt with rituals not commandments on how to live a better life.

Thus you equal that which was imposed on them (and then) being free from them to "lets snort coke and shoot herion"?
Rhetorically.

I dont even understand your reasoning
It's cool.



Some people dont see pork as a sin, and cant get past it and run around judging everyone for everything they put in their mouth (even coke, which isnt mentioned) but it doesnt have to be written in ink for my conscience to condemn an action (and for myself). However it still doesnt change the fact the carnal commandments were written in ink and imposed... UNTIL...
Health laws were different than ceremonial laws. See Acts 15 for confirmation.

Its the same with "thou shalt not murder" if you think if that was not there (or rather written in stone for you to see) that if it were taken away your desire for murder would increase? I dont know what to tell you, says the power of sin is the law, and also that without the law sin is dead.

Not to mention now in the NC if you just hate your brother your a murderer, and nothing on a piece of stone can make you have love for your brother (even if) you refrain from actually killing him. See what I mean?
The law was "magnified" in Christ. Obviously not abolished.
 
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