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Big deal, that is worldly thinking and not of the KingdomToday the Sabbath is necessary for monetary reasons. If the decree was obeyed the loss in global revenues to the Sabbatarian movement would be in the billions.
DittoLike I said, it's hard to have an honest discussion with someone who is only here to justify their reliigon.
Wrong"The decree wasn't just about not requiring circumcision but not requiring Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, which includes the Sabbath."
What are you talking about? You're rambling on about everything just to avoid the main point which is hardly honest discussion. All I'm saying is that the scripture is crystal clear:
"The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings."
This is a letter directly from the leaders of the Church sent to the Gentile believers in Asia
"Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment."
Those "some who went out" were most likely sent by the Pharisee sect that said earlier to the Jerusalem congregation: “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
So we now know exactly what law the apostles and the elders are talking about in the decree, the law of Moses,
whether it's according to the Pharisees' interpretation, Moses' interpretation, the apostles' interpretation or your interpretation, we all know that it includes the 7th day Sabbath rest.
And this gives further evidence that the visit to the Gentiles in Asia wasn't just about circumcision, but it was also about getting them to keep the law of Moses.
And the apostles and the elders, by decree, voided all the plans and efforts of the Pharisee sect, that secretly went over their heads to get the Gentiles circumcised and keeping the law of Moses, by simply saying in that decree, "we gave no such commandment."
That's it. Case closed. There never was a command from the apostles for Gentiles to keep the law of Moses which includes the Sabbath.
The only reason to disobey this decree and teach people a modern, Gentile version of the law of Moses, that was invented by a Gentile woman of the 19th/20th century, is for monetary reasons. And that's the truth!
Wrong
No. The apostles clearly state in the decree that they gave no such commandment for Gentile believers to get circumcised and keep the law. We all know in the decree the apostles were not referring to "the commandments (Laws) of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines." That's just your dishonest retort. They were referring to the law, or sometimes referred to as the law of Moses, which are not commandments of men and includes the 7th day Sabbath rest.Yes, the Apostles didn't want the Gentile converts from any nation, "to turn away from God", and adopt the commandments (Laws) of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines.
It's not my worldly thinking it's the worldly thinking of those who use false doctrine to exploit others. And that is a big deal to the exploited and to those that are too non-worldly thinking to mention it.Big deal, that is worldly thinking and not of the Kingdom
No. The apostles clearly state in the decree that they gave no such commandment for Gentile believers to get circumcised and keep the law.
We all know in the decree the apostles were not referring to "the commandments (Laws) of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines." That's just your dishonest retort. They were referring to the law, or sometimes referred to as the law of Moses, which are not commandments of men and includes the 7th day Sabbath rest.
Moses didn't separate the 10 commandments, which were given during his time, from the law and create two separate laws, one law for Israelites and a special law for Gentiles (10 commandments). And neither did Jesus when He said to the Jewish multitudes regarding those who sat in Moses' seat and taught them the law, "whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do." This law that was taught by those in Moses' seat, is the same law that's referred to in the decree, (also known as the law of Moses). It's this law that the apostles "gave no such commandment" for Gentile believers to observe, which includes the Sabbath.Where is circumcision at Creation, when God made the Sabbath Exo 20:11 where is it in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:23. There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about circumcision Exo 20:1-17
I would highly recommend this sermon which breaks down circumcision and puts it in its proper context by Scripture
Who ever claimed this.Moses didn't separate the 10 commandments, which were given during his time, from the law and create two separate laws, one law for Israelites and a special law for Gentiles (10 commandments).
Why are you isolating the Sabbath commandment. Its in the same unit as only worship God. Exo 20:3 Exo 20:1-17And neither did Jesus when He said to the Jewish multitudes regarding those who sat in Moses' seat and taught them the law, "whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do." This law that was taught by those in Moses' seat, is the same law that's referred to in the decree, (also known as the law of Moses). It's this law that the apostles "gave no such commandment" for Gentile believers to observe, which includes the Sabbath.
The Sabbath started at Creation, thus saith the Lord, it is His written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 Exo 20:11 and it is the Holy Day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 meaning there is no other. It was kept by Jesus who is God that became flesh Luke 4:16 John 15:10 if we abide in Him, we will also follow in His footsteps 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15. Keeping the 4th commandment has nothing to do with 2000 years after Christ, other than a reminder of what God said. God's faithful keep God's commandments Rev 14:12, His version, because He is God and there is no one above Him and we are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 I want to serve God, so that's who my faith is in, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God as Jesus told us, quoting OT Mat 4:4It wasn't until an American woman came around almost 2,000 years later, that the 10 commandments were separated from the law (the law of Moses), emphasizing the Sabbath rest as a universal requirement for salvation. People can either follow this American woman, who has been dead for over a century, or they can follow the living Christ who inspired the apostles by the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28) to address this issue and settle it once and for all by decree.
Moses didn't separate the 10 commandments, which were given during his time, from the law and create two separate laws, one law for Israelites and a special law for Gentiles (10 commandments).
And neither did Jesus when He said to the Jewish multitudes regarding those who sat in Moses' seat and taught them the law, "whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do." This law that was taught by those in Moses' seat, is the same law that's referred to in the decree, (also known as the law of Moses).
It's this law that the apostles "gave no such commandment" for Gentile believers to observe, which includes the Sabbath.
It wasn't until an American woman came around almost 2,000 years later, that the 10 commandments were separated from the law (the law of Moses), emphasizing the Sabbath rest as a universal requirement for salvation. People can either follow this American woman, who has been dead for over a century, or they can follow the living Christ who inspired the apostles by the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28) to address this issue and settle it once and for all by decree.
If we say we are to keep this law from Leviticus and not that one, we are performing a judgment on the law. If the scriptures themselves clearly state which laws are to be kept, that's different
But if no scriptures clearly say so, then to keep the commandment from Leviticus that says to have a holy assembly on the Sabbath while not keeping other commandments would seem inconsistent imo
These things I remember, and pour out my soul within me,
how I used to go with the crowd, and led them to God’s house,
with the voice of joy and praise, a multitude keeping a holy day Psalm 42
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy assemblyThere is no Commandment from God to have a holy assembly on God's Holy Weekly Sabbath.
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