The Reason Why Job Suffered?

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Truth is carried in lots of vehicles. To make the suggestion that the story of Job is not an historical account but rather a story does not for one moment take away from the truth that the story carries.

Forest Gump - which many of you will have seen, is a story, nobody says that it is a true story of history, however it is a story and it carries some truth, and some of the truth carried in the story of Forest Gump is the same truth of the story of Job.

Please note, that I am not put the the movie on a par with scripture. The account of Job is received as authoritative scripture, however I am saying that God is not constrained only to speak in the pages of the Bible.

Pray that we may have the grace to stand with those who suffer through no fault of their own. Let us all resolve to be friends who help in time of need.

While there are various means for the Holy Spirit to bring to mind God's truth I wouldn't place any significance on anything that does not align with scripture. Whatever part of Forrest Gump that triggers revelation needs to be checked with scripture to prove accuracy. God is not constrained to speak only from scripture but any truth must line up with scripture which is the authority or it's a falsehood, or at the very least questionable.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Matthew 16:2-3
2 He answered them,[a] “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Jesus is referring to the zodiac. He also says the Lord comes at the beginning and end of each age. The weather men could predict the weather, but only the wise men and John the Baptist could read the coming Age of Pisces. The end of the Age of Ares (the ram) is why Christ is the Passover Lamb.

The angelic harvest comes at the end of each age; this is why time reset.

But time will reset again, believe you me.

The axial precession divided by 12 is roughly 2000 years. A new age is always dawning, in God's eyes; 2000 years is so young.

He told you to watch out for the next harvest for the man carrying the jug. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius; the "Lamb of God" is the "Holy Grail" this age, which is my kingdom. I am the crucified king of the stolen Graal kingdom.

You would do well to read the witness of the stars to see that it's not a simple as that
https://www.levendwater.org/books/witness/the_witness_of_the_stars_bullinger.pdf

 

[Philip_B]

While there are various means for the Holy Spirit to bring to mind God's truth I wouldn't place any significance on anything that does not align with scripture. Whatever part of Forrest Gump that triggers revelation needs to be checked with scripture to prove accuracy. God is not constrained to speak only from scripture but any truth must line up with scripture which is the authority or it's a falsehood, or at the very least questionable.

If I want to prove or make a doctrinal claim, then clearly I need to line it up with Scripture, and indeed I would need a scriptural base for the claim. We meet God in the Scriptures, we meet God in the Sacraments, in order that we might recognise him when we meet him in the world. And that is probably why the story of Job is so important. It tells us that bad things do happen to good people, and our response should not be God is punishing them ... xyz ... but rather to stand with them so that they are not alone.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

If I want to prove or make a doctrinal claim, then clearly I need to line it up with Scripture, and indeed I would need a scriptural base for the claim. We meet God in the Scriptures, we meet God in the Sacraments, in order that we might recognise him when we meet him in the world. And that is probably why the story of Job is so important. It tells us that bad things do happen to good people, and our response should not be God is punishing them ... xyz ... but rather to stand with them so that they are not alone.

What do you mean by the sacraments? The seven sacraments—Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Communion, Confession, Marriage, Holy Orders, and the Anointing of the Sick—are the life of the Catholic Church. Each sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace. When we participate in them worthily, each provides us with graces—with the life of God in our soul.
So you need the ritual to actualize the inward grace?

 

[Philip_B]

So you need the ritual to actualize the inward grace?

Please don't try and make me say things I didn't say.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

How is this understood?

By the above I had this in mind

1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

God "sent to destroy"

 

[Achilles6129]

By the above I had this in mind

1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

God "sent to destroy"

What's also interesting about this passage is that God repented of something.

 

[miknik5]

You were talking to yourself? lol looks like you corrected it ...

Not really. I was hoping you understood what I was "saying"

 

[miknik5]

You would do well to quit questioning me on matters that involve myself. Many churches like to overcomplicate things for the purpose of perpetuating their infallibility. This article you sent me is relatively useless considering I already know astrology, and it is my job to help evolve it.

Get out of these things

 

[miknik5]

Do you know what each of these sacraments mean? I assume you do not. Do you need me to explain them to you?

Yes

 

[Fireinfolding]

What's also interesting about this passage is that God repented of something.

He repented of the evil he thought to do to them,

As He says in Jeremiah...

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Shown here similarly, after the fleeing the commission of the word of the LORD the first time the word of the Lord came again to Jonah

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

And what He bid him to preach here

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

God spake by the prophets, and continues

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Here it is

Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Which shows again the same...

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Even as the LORD hath said, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:

Luke 11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Luke 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Ezek 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

[Emmarabiu]

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

I want to believe that Job was a figure God wanted to show that the righteous also can suffer! It buttresses the scripture that says 'The captain of our salvation was made perfect though suffering'
It also shows that we need a testimonial to show the devil that we are entitled to every blessing we receive from God.
God asking Job about the leviathan and how powerful the other beasts are, is a pointer to Job that God is the God of those monsters that were tormenting him.
God expects Job to trust Him and not defend himself or claim righteousness.

 

[Alithis]

Nobody cares.

Matthew 16:2-3
2 He answered them,[a] “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Jesus is referring to the zodiac. He also says the Lord comes at the beginning and end of each age. The weather men could predict the weather, but only the wise men and John the Baptist could read the coming Age of Pisces. The end of the Age of Ares (the ram) is why Christ is the Passover Lamb.

The angelic harvest comes at the end of each age; this is why time reset.

But time will reset again, believe you me.

The axial precession divided by 12 is roughly 2000 years. A new age is always dawning, in God's eyes; 2000 years is so young.

He told you to watch out for the next harvest for the man carrying the jug. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius; the "Lamb of God" is the "Holy Grail" this age, which is my kingdom. I am the crucified king of the stolen Graal kingdom.

so your declaring your unbelief and admitting openly that you are not a christian .this forum is "christian only "

 

[miknik5]

And your "friends" (who are NOT your friends" know that

 

[miknik5]

You don't even know what you're talking about, and worse—you refuse to listen when the king you await is here.

Oh I do. Very much so

Only ONE KING, only ONE DOOR, only ONE KINGDOM

either in or outside the DOOR and ALL who want to come, must come by way of THAT ONE DOOR unto THE KINGDOM Of GOD

 

[miknik5]

The new age is coming
And with it a strong delusion

 

[Achilles6129]

He repented of the evil he thought to do to them,

As He says in Jeremiah...

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Sure, but why did he repent of the evil that he thought to do to them? They didn't turn from their wickedness, as far as I am aware. So why was it?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Sure, but why did he repent of the evil that he thought to do to them? They didn't turn from their wickedness, as far as I am aware. So why was it?

In post 327 You quoted off me bouncing off another post of mine and said "he repented of something" I simply clarified "that something" is written, "being of the evil" he thought to do them and showed likewise if they turned from their evil as he said (in Jeremiah) as is demonstrated in Jona he would repent of it. But in 1 Ch 21:15 the one before it when he sent an angel in to destroy, it was David who sinned and ordered the numbering not them 1 Ch 21:17 David was given a choice of three things to choose from, you would have to read up to that place.

2 Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.

 

[Meowzltov]

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

God never told Job why. The answer was not the answer but the answerer.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

There are sooo many pages of answers already, I'm sorry, but I'll give my little input and hope it isn't duplicating that of others before me...too little time these days to devote to this site.

I think it is critical to the story of Job that God turns to Job's "friends" and tells them that they have not spoken rightly about Him as his servant Job did. Well, here, I'll post it...
Job 42:7-9:
After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.

One can see in the book of Job that he did not expect trial and hardship on earth because he had faith in God and followed the LAW...the LAW always punished evildoers. We all now know that we as believers do indeed expect trials...many as well as much persecution stemming from Satan himself. Job attributes these trials to God and searches for the reason within himself, examining his life for fault and wrongdoing...he seems to find none...at least nothing it seems that he finds none warranting this barrage of catastrophe upon catastrophe. We also may well look like an offender to our fellow believers.
The take away is that we as believers face uncertainty and await trials while here on earth. (and beware your judgement of fellow believers) This is not our home!
I Peter 1:6-9.