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LastSeven · Mar 22, 2011

chalkstc said:
Brother Vincent. It is no use going over the same quotes over and over. We see different starting and finishing points of key issues.

All I can say is to read the last couple of chapters of Isa and ask if this is not the Mill or the next age. When do we reign with Christ, this age or the next age? Where did you find your answer...what text? What age do we learn war no more? What age do we turn swords into plowshares? What age does a child live to 100? etc, etc

Thx,
Frankie

Respectfully, I think there is a point going over those quotes because clearly you are seeing what you believe, not what you're reading.

Isaiah and many other books speak of God's kingdom on earth. That is not in dispute. But none of these books equate God's kingdom with the millennium. You are doing that all by yourself.

I think if you're honest with yourself you will have to admit that none of the descriptions of God's kingdom in the Bible are directly tied to the millennium. You believe that they are speaking of the millennium for whatever reason, but they don't specifically say that they are speaking about the millennium. Which means you are making an assumption.

None of the writers say "during the thousand year reign there will be no more death" or "during the thousand year reign God will live among his people on earth" or even "the thousand year reign is God's kingdom on earth". Nowhere does the Bible say anything like that. You are making that connection, not scripture.

If you insist on continuing to believe that then the least you can do is admit that it is your assumption and not scripture. At least then I could respect your honesty and your ability to be objective.

POSTIOS · Mar 22, 2011

Ezekiel 40-48 seems to be all Millennial, and ends with the Father Coming here and dwelling here.

LastSeven · Mar 22, 2011

Ezekiel's temple is very mysterious to me. In these chapters God gives instructions for building this temple and the sacrifices they are to make and so on. However, after Jesus' resurrection our bodies are the temple, which means creating a physical temple building at this point is a rejection of Jesus. That is why I don't believe it can be referring to any time after Jesus' resurrection, which also rules out the millennium period.

I don't understand those chapters of Ezekiel, but two things I am sure of.

1. God does not want us (or anyone) to build a physical temple building now or in the future, because it would constitute a rejection of Jesus' sacrifice.

2. None of these chapters in Ezekiel say anything about a thousand year period, which means we simply don't know what this is referring to. We can only speculate.

Perhaps it is a description of the temple in heaven. I don't know.

POSTIOS · Mar 22, 2011

While I do not think it is a literal building, IMO it is representing the Millenniual temple. Which is us of course...and not a literal building.

Visions from God is rarely, if ever literal. Sacrificng animals is out, sicne we have Jesus,
so if we see this in vision of the future, then it is about the sacrifice, and not the animal blood. We know what God wants instead of animal blood. Our love and prayers

So, I agree that we are the temple of God today, and even after this dispensation is over.

I think chapter 44 speaks about those that fell away, and the faithful (elect) who did not.

Junebug28 · Mar 22, 2011

LastSeven said:
Ezekiel's temple is very mysterious to me. In these chapters God gives instructions for building this temple and the sacrifices they are to make and so on. However, after Jesus' resurrection our bodies are the temple, which means creating a physical temple building at this point is a rejection of Jesus. That is why I don't believe it can be referring to any time after Jesus' resurrection, which also rules out the millennium period.

I don't understand those chapters of Ezekiel, but two things I am sure of.

1. God does not want us (or anyone) to build a physical temple building now or in the future, because it would constitute a rejection of Jesus' sacrifice.

2. None of these chapters in Ezekiel say anything about a thousand year period, which means we simply don't know what this is referring to. We can only speculate.

Perhaps it is a description of the temple in heaven. I don't know.

There will be a temple during the millennium. There will be sacrifices during the millennium. Scriptures tell us why. You must seek it.

Zech 14:16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

POSTIOS · Mar 22, 2011

No doubt that sacrifices will come. As I stated, it will not be blood sacrifices, for all blood ordinances died with the cross.
What kind of sacrifice is pleasing to God ?

LastSeven · Mar 22, 2011

POSTIOS said:
While I do not think it is a literal building, IMO it is representing the Millenniual temple. Which is us of course...and not a literal building.

Visions from God is rarely, if ever literal. Sacrificng animals is out, sicne we have Jesus,
so if we see this in vision of the future, then it is about the sacrifice, and not the animal blood. We know what God wants instead of animal blood. Our love and prayers

So, I agree that we are the temple of God today, and even after this dispensation is over.

I think chapter 44 speaks about those that fell away, and the faithful (elect) who did not.

But if it is not literal, then why the specific dimensions? It doesn't sound figurative to me.

LastSeven · Mar 22, 2011

Junebug28 said:
There will be a temple during the millennium. There will be sacrifices during the millennium. Scriptures tell us why. You must seek it.

Zech 14:16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Are you sure about that? Nothing in there says anything about a thousand year period. You're assuming that this is pertaining to the millennium but where is the evidence?

chalkstc · Mar 22, 2011

Vincent,

Isaiah and many other books speak of God's kingdom on earth. That is not in dispute. But none of these books equate God's kingdom with the millennium. You are doing that all by yourself.

I think if you're honest with yourself you will have to admit that none of the descriptions of God's kingdom in the Bible are directly tied to the millennium. You believe that they are speaking of the millennium for whatever reason, but they don't specifically say that they are speaking about the millennium. Which means you are making an assumption.

Not true at all. Isa spoke of this "golden age" before John put a yearly duration to it.
You are going backwards from Rev to Isa, rather than from Isa to Revelation. He also told you "line upon line, here a little, there a little"

Evidently that word means nothing to you and yet you say I assume.............Geeesh!

You are on your own my brother. I can't convince you.

Frankie
PS you keep saying there is no scripture that says the SC is not at the end of the Mill. Well, show me a scripture that says the Godhead is called a trinity? Does that mean it's not true because it isn't spelled out to your approval?

Junebug28 · Mar 22, 2011

LastSeven said:
Are you sure about that? Nothing in there says anything about a thousand year period. You're assuming that this is pertaining to the millennium but where is the evidence?

The millenium is found in Genesis, Daniel and Revelation as well as others.

We practice the 7000 year plan every week of our lives, as God instituted it.

The millenium is found in the feasts as well.

Ask yourself why the world celebrates/practices the Feast of Tabernacles after Christ has come and is reigning as King.

POSTIOS · Mar 22, 2011

LastSeven said:
But if it is not literal, then why the specific dimensions? It doesn't sound figurative to me.

I think it has to do with biblical numerics, what the numbers reporesent...

My pastor taught me that the old temples were based off of a measurement of 7 units,
while this one in Ez40-forward, is based off of 8 units.

Junebug28 · Mar 22, 2011

POSTIOS said:
I think it has to do with biblical numerics, what the numbers reporesent...

My pastor taught me that the old temples were based off of a measurement of 7 units,
while this one in Ez40-forward, is based off of 8 units.

I'm not seeing that. Does your pastor have a website where he explains?

POSTIOS · Mar 22, 2011

No, and I cannot elaborate. I have to look into it now. See for myself.
I should not have said anything. Sorry.

Junebug28 · Mar 23, 2011

POSTIOS said:
No, and I cannot elaborate. I have to look into it now. See for myself.
I should not have said anything. Sorry.

Yes, men can lead people astray. The Word of God will not.

LastSeven · Mar 23, 2011

Junebug28 said:
Yes, men can lead people astray. The Word of God will not.

True enough, but are you saying that his pastor led him astray? What if he's right? Just sayin...

LastSeven · Mar 23, 2011

chalkstc said:
Vincent,

PS you keep saying there is no scripture that says the SC is not at the end of the Mill. Well, show me a scripture that says the Godhead is called a trinity? Does that mean it's not true because it isn't spelled out to your approval?

If we are to have a discussion on the Trinity concept or any other Biblical concept I would expect all parties to bring scriptures to the table that support their position.

It is the same with the timing of the second coming. If you stand by a certain position, then I expect you to bring scriptures to the table to support it.

If your position is not directly supported by scripture then it is assumption. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, it just means we can't prove that it's right.

Junebug28 · Mar 23, 2011

LastSeven said:
True enough, but are you saying that his pastor led him astray? What if he's right? Just sayin...

Yes, because it's not there. If it's not there, then yes, his pastor has told him something that isn't true.

chalkstc · Mar 23, 2011

Vinny,

It is the same with the timing of the second coming. If you stand by a certain position, then I expect you to bring scriptures to the table to support it.

I did, but as Jesus said............."let him who has ears, hear"

Frankie
PS

THE GT is 3 1/2 years in duration
Christ comes at it's finish and we are resurrected and the wicked are punished.
This Coming is before the Mill...Rev 19, then Rev 20

2 Thess 1:6

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

7

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

KJV

"That Day" is premill period. Believe it or not!

LastSeven · Mar 23, 2011

Junebug28 said:
Yes, because it's not there. If it's not there, then yes, his pastor has told him something that isn't true.

Well, it's not there in the Bible but that doesn't mean it can't be a fact of history. The Bible, as detailed as it is, is not all-inclusive. It is possible that there are details of history, not recorded in the Bible, that can actually help us understand the Bible.

Junebug28 · Mar 23, 2011

LastSeven said:
Well, it's not there in the Bible but that doesn't mean it can't be a fact of history. The Bible, as detailed as it is, is not all-inclusive. It is possible that there are details of history, not recorded in the Bible, that can actually help us understand the Bible.

The dimensions of Ezekiel's temple are described in Ezekiel 40-48 and no, none of those dimensions show that it's stucture is based on "8". Good luck finding the dimensions of Ezekiel's future temple as a "fact of history".

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