The Rapture

[R.E.Taet]

Just to clear somthing up, do you think that Mat 24:29-42 refers to one or two different days. (The Day of the Lord, Rapture)

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

definition of mystery .... col 1:26

Pauls 12 Mystery's this is just one 1 cor 15:51-54 the rapture of the church.......

Matt 24:29-42 vs 29 Immediately after the tribulation

day of lord is the millennial kingdom

rapture is God's judgement on the church

have you ever read ....
clarence larkin dispensation truth

great pictures with studies in book ...awesome

 

[cougan]

Here I wrote a article on this topic. I hope this helps.

http://www.ardmoreweb.com/christ/rapture.html

Again, I want to offer the following article that I wrote about this topic since it seems no one went to the link and read it.

 

[marvin]

There is a seperation between the rapture and second coming, the rapture is when the church, as a body of believers leave this earth and the tribulation starts, the second coming is when Christ comes back to rule on earth for 1,000 years.

This is one interpretation but not the only one.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

it is the only one the bible speeks of.......

falling away in 2 thes 2:3 in greek is a snatching away in latin it is called rapture....

 

[Calvin_09]

According to the premillenial view of the End Times, the "Rapture" is the event of the followers of Christ disappearing of the the face of the planet to be with the Lord; while the unbelievers are left to endure a seven year period of tribulation.

I myself in no way agree with the premillenial view of the End Times; and therefore do not believe in the "Rapture". I am an amillenialist, and I believe that all things prophesied in the book of Revelation (excluding the final return of Christ) have already taken place.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

According to the premillenial view of the End Times, the "Rapture" is the event of the followers of Christ disappearing of the the face of the planet to be with the Lord; while the unbelievers are left to endure a seven year period of tribulation.

I myself in no way agree with the premillenial view of the End Times; and therefore do not believe in the "Rapture". I am an amillenialist, and I believe that all things prophesied in the book of Revelation (excluding the final return of Christ) have already taken place.

Matt 24:21 how do you deal with this verses
act 2:19:21
rev 6:12-14
rev 16:18-20

can't wait for your reply

 

[Justme]

Hi Brethren,

I bet Calvin can deal with the verses you listed easier than you can deal with these;

Hebrews 9:26
Rev 14:13
Matthew 24:24
Colossians 1:23
Matthew 10:23
2 Timoithy 1:10
1 Thess 4:15
Mark 13:4
Luke 21:7
Luke 21:20
Matthew 24:19-20
Rev 20:5

Justme

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Hi Brethren,

I bet Calvin can deal with the verses you listed easier than you can deal with these;

Hebrews 9:26
Rev 14:13
Matthew 24:24
Colossians 1:23
Matthew 10:23
2 Timoithy 1:10
1 Thess 4:15
Mark 13:4
Luke 21:7
Luke 21:20
Matthew 24:19-20
Rev 20:5

Justme

what your question with these verses???

 

[Justme]

Hi Brethren,

The same as yours was to Calvin.

Justme

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Matt 24:21 how do you deal with this verses
act 2:19:21
rev 6:12-14
rev 16:18-20

can't wait for your reply

with a rapture already approach ...

when did these things happen?

 

[Justme]

Hi Brethren,

You asked when these happened...

Matthew 24:21
21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again

This was what the people of Judea who were friends of Jesus were told to flee from. This is the wrath of God spoken of here:
Matthew 23
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

The flight took place just as the abomonation stood in the holy place. You are aware that the biblical 'holy place' and the biblical Judea ceased to exist oin 70 AD I assume.

The great tribulation was followed immediately by a celestial display which included the coming of the son of man.

Acts 2:19-21...when did this happen?

19I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21And everyone who calls
This occurs as the great tribulation ends and the coming of the son of man begins.

The verse just prior to that tell you more about when this was...
18Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

When did God pour out His spirit?... here in the upper room in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago...
Acts 2
4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Further to that Joel even predicted it...
Acts 2
16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

Notice the reference to LAST DAYS....
More information about the last days is found here:

Hebrews 9
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself

Rev 6:12-14 When did this happen?
12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

This is at the same time , but described from an angelic or heavenly point of view.
John was 'in the spirit' in his vision and at this point an angel was explaining to John things that would happen. John was in Heaven in this part of the vision...Take note however, that when John first goes 'in the spirit' he saw the gates of heaven were open(Rev 4:1)... that is crucial information.

Rev 16:16-18

16Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake.

This is again is the great tribulation. This is the view John gets. There is only one great tribulation followed by the coming of the son of man. Trying to get the battle of Armaggeddon to be prior to another coming of the son of man is biblically incorrect.

That's when they happened.

Justme

 

[molly]

The Rapture and the Second Coming are two seperate events.

 

[Justme]

Hi Molly,

Depends what you call a rapture.....
There is only one second coming for anybody. I kno of no verses in the bible which suggest a meeting with Jesus followed by another meeting with Jesus.

Justme

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

rev 6:12-14
rev 16:18-20

can't wait for your reply

 

[molly]

My dear Brother in Christ, I am just going to step out here and give you my take on this issue I don't usually like to argue a point with another christian because it's counter productive, the word Rapture means to snatch away, 1Thess:4:15-17 tells us that we shall be caught up with Jesus in the air or translated as some call it. 1 Cor 15: 51-55 we learn that in a twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ shall rise followed by the children of Christ. This is the end of the church age as we know it. The second coming comes when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives as seen in 1 Cor 1:7 & again in Thess 3:13 "coming ... with great power and glory...`Jesus says in Rev 3:10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth"We read that Jesus will return from where he left that being the Mount of Olives and all the world will see this. The Mt. of Olives is where the very foot of Christ will split open the mountain and Christ will come in all His glory to set up His new kingdom. Those people who are "left behind" as it were are still going to be able to obtain salvation, that is to includes God's own Jerusalem. Now as I said we can debate this all we want but the fact is we need to be ready.Your Sister in Christ. Molly

 

[KennySe]

My dear Brother in Christ, I am just going to step out here and give you my take on this issue I don't usually like to argue a point with another christian because it's counter productive, the word Rapture means to snatch away, 1Thess:4:15-17 tells us that we shall be caught up with Jesus in the air or translated as some call it. 1 Cor 15: 51-55 we learn that in a twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ shall rise followed by the children of Christ. This is the end of the church age as we know it.

Hello. Please excuse this intrusion, everyone.

Molly, you mention the passage from 1 Thess., which is indeed where the English word "Rapture". comes from. SPECIFICALLY, "Rapture" comes from verse 17.

1 Thess. 4:17 (Latin Vulgate0
deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

Looking at those verses you mentioned, we see the order of events and details.

1Thess 4:15-17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So when one accepts that we will be "caught up" or "rapiemur" with Jesus in the clouds, one must accept that it is at "the coming of the Lord", and his decent from heaven is "with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God".

One must accept that the "caught up/rapiemur" is at "the coming of the Lord", as stated in the Bible.
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[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

My dear Brother in Christ, I am just going to step out here and give you my take on this issue I don't usually like to argue a point with another christian because it's counter productive, the word Rapture means to snatch away, 1Thess:4:15-17 tells us that we shall be caught up with Jesus in the air or translated as some call it. 1 Cor 15: 51-55 we learn that in a twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ shall rise followed by the children of Christ. This is the end of the church age as we know it. The second coming comes when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives as seen in 1 Cor 1:7 & again in Thess 3:13 "coming ... with great power and glory...`Jesus says in Rev 3:10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth"We read that Jesus will return from where he left that being the Mount of Olives and all the world will see this. The Mt. of Olives is where the very foot of Christ will split open the mountain and Christ will come in all His glory to set up His new kingdom. Those people who are "left behind" as it were are still going to be able to obtain salvation, that is to includes God's own Jerusalem. Now as I said we can debate this all we want but the fact is we need to be ready.Your Sister in Christ. Molly

Agree

those verses are for the person that beliefs in 70 ad was the tribulation and we are in the minial kingdom now

which is wrong according to scripture

 

[molly]

No wonder Jesus had to keep telling His apostles everything over and over again, we just don't listen. You are entitled to your wisdom, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.Man's logic is folly to God so we'll just have to take a wait and see attitude. Let us pray that Our loving Father would not allow us to go through what is going to happen.

 

[rich]

the word for rapture actually is found in the New testament
harpadzo is found in a Pauline letter, thessolonians
and it means to pluck up, there will be a literal plucking up of the church