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The Rapture, Second Coming & the Fall Feasts

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. rollinTHUNDER

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    Many Christians believe that Christ will fulfill the fall feasts (trumpets, atonement & tabernacles) when He returns, just as He fulfilled the spring feasts (Passover, unleavened bread, first fruits & weeks) during His first advent. This not only seems plausible, but very likely in my minds eye. However, of all the people I've heard say they believe this, I've never heard any of them describe how this would play-out using there own personal end time beliefs. In other words, what would these feasts look like if they were applied to the rapture theory they hold dear? What would the pre-trib rapture look like using the fall feasts as a pattern? And what about the mid-trib, post-trib, pre-wrath theories, etc.?

    Most Christians believe the rapture will occur during the feast of trumpets, but how will the two following feasts be fulfilled afterwards?

    Anyway, I thought it would be both fun and interesting to see how others laid out their individual scenarios according to the beliefs they have.

    Just so you know, the fall feasts all occur in the month of Tishri, the seventh month on the Hebrew calendar, which are usually in September or October on our Gregorian calendars.

    Feast of Trumpets - 1 & 2 Tishri
    Day of Atonement - 10 Tishri
    Feast of Tabernacles 15 Tishri

    I realize this will take plenty of thought and some study as well, so take your time.

    Have fun and good luck!
     
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  2. keras

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    I see the Feast of trumpets as the Day of the Lord's wrath. Joel 2:1, Zeph 1:16, Hosea 5:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and the Sixth Seal. I expect this event very soon - this year its September 24.
    Then the Lord's people will gather; Ezekiel 20:34-38 and be judged 10 days later, at the Day of Atonement. They will go to live in all of the holy Land.

    But the Feast of Tabernacles, meaning 'God with us', doesn't happen until the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, about 20 years later. Rev 8:1
     
  3. rollinTHUNDER

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    Thanks for your input, keras,

    I'm still working on my scenario, but I assure you that we see this very differently, not even close. I'll post mine when finished.


    Cheers
     
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    Ruth is where the gentile harvest of barley is described.
    The gentile rapture happens before revelations begins.
    The post-rapture harvests are described and then celebrated at the end.
     
  5. bibletruth469

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    Hi! I believe that the rapture of the church has no date that we can try to figure out. The common belief is that it will happen during the 2 day feast of trumpets . I do not believe that it will happen during this feast. I will explain briefly below my thoughts and will explain more in depth my beliefs in another post. Below is my opinion:

    Trumpets: return of Christ back to the earth.( not the rapture) Matt 24:31

    Atonement : during 10 days of awe, Christ will build His temple and will enter the holy of holies. Look at Hebrews 9. It mentions that once in the end of days , he will enter the temple. After 10 days of awe, he fulfills yom kipper.

    Tabernacles: Christ will begin the kingdom; the 1000 year reign.

    This is an orderly sequence of the fall feasts that will be fulfilled on the exact day of there occurrence, just like the spring feasts.

    God bless
     
  6. rollinTHUNDER

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    My scenario comes from a pre-wrath perspective, but to be more specific it is actually a (post-trib/pre-wrath) view.

    The Fall Feasts and the Second Coming

    Many Christians believe that Christ will fulfill the fall feasts (trumpets, atonement & tabernacles) when He returns, just as He fulfilled each of the spring feasts (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits & Pentecost) during His first advent. This not only seems plausible, but very likely I believe. If so, then we should not fail to recognize that the controversial rapture must also be included in these feasts as well, which may present problems for some of our most popular rapture theories today. Nevertheless, if Christ is going to fulfill all of the fall feasts just as He did the spring feasts, then I believe it would be very wise to understand how future end-time events will unfold in relation to these biblical fall feasts. As we begin, I think it's important to understand that just as the spring feasts were fulfilled by Christ consecutively, in order, and in the same year, we can probably safely preclude that the fall feasts will follow that same pattern.

    On the feast of Passover almost 2000 years ago, Christ became the Lamb of God. He died once, for all, pouring out His blood as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. The next day, which started that evening, He was buried on the feast of Unleavened bread, after living a sinless life. Leaven represents sin, and for those who believe, He became the bread of life. After three days, He was resurrected on the feast of First fruits, so He became the first fruits of the dead. After He was resurrected, He walked with His disciples and continued to teach them for forty days, and then He ascended in the clouds back to heaven. He instructed His disciples to wait in Jerusalem, and promised them that He would send them the Holy Spirit. The tenth day after His ascension, on the feast of Weeks (Pentecost), His disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit and the Church was born, as Christ fulfilled all of the spring feasts. And now, since we know that Christ will be coming again soon, many believers expect that He will likewise fulfill the fall feasts when He returns.

    Colossians 2:16-17
    Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

    Matthew 5:17-18
    “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

    Many Christians believe the next major prophetic event concerning God's people will be the rapture. This glorious event will be fulfilled during Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets), which happens to be the first of three fall feasts. The second fall feast will be the Day of Atonement, followed lastly by the feast of Tabernacles. So with these biblical feasts in mind, let's closely examine the future end-time events to see what they will look like in relation to the feasts of the Lord. Many Christians don't believe the following passage relates to the rapture, but after much diligent study, I believe it does. I'll use it as the starting point, so let's put it under the microscope to see if it's compatible with the feasts of the Lord.

    Matthew 24:29-31
    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Verses 30 and 31 of the passage above compare very favorably to the passage below, which is widely accepted by most scholars as the rapture. People often describe things differently, but notice that in each of these passages, both of them mention the Lord descending from heaven, coming in the clouds, and the blowing of a trumpet. Additionally, the first passage mentions angels gathering His elect, while the second one shows believers being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And finally, neither one of these passages mention anything about a physical returning to the earth or setting feet upon the Mount of Olives, so why do so many believers assume this is describing the second coming? Perhaps it doesn't fit so nicely into their theories?

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Christ' disciples asked Him for the sign of His coming and of the end of the age (Matt. 24:3). Most of us know that the rapture won't have any signs, and for this reason, Christ commanded all of His followers to watch and be ready. So it's a given that the rapture will have no signs. However, when it actually happens, the rapture will then be a great sign for both, the remnant in Israel and the Jews that are still scattered among the nations. All the tribes of the earth will mourn when they see this great and glorious multitude meeting in the clouds, lighting up the dark sky. Then they will lift up their heads and know that their redemption draws near, and many of them will mourn for the one they have pierced.

    Mark 13:26-27
    And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    Mark adds more clarity to this gathering, (from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven). Now let's see what Luke said about this.

    Luke 21:27-28
    And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    Matthew 24:36-39
    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    The verse above is so often misunderstood. Many believe the phrase, "no man knows the day or hour" is referring to the rapture. Well it does have a relationship to the rapture, but actually it is referring to Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets). This is the only one of the biblical feasts that does not have a set day or time to begin. The new moon sometimes does not appear until the second day, and no one knows what hour it will be seen, so this feast can not officially begin until it becomes visible. Once the first sliver of the new moon is witnessed, then 100 trumpet blasts are blown and the final blast is known as the last trump, which will signal the rapture (1 Cor. 15:52). This feast also marks the first day of the seventh month of Tishri on the Hebrew calendar, and it is always a Sabbath regardless of which day of the week it falls on.

    When the sign of the Son of man appears, then another prophecy will be fulfilled as well. The rapture will also make Israel jealous of the Church, which up until now has never happened, but it will happen just as the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

    Romans 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

    So the rapture will occur after the tribulation and after the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. Scripture tells us the beast will be given authority to continue 42 months after the abomination of desolation (Rev. 13:5). We also know that Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles for 42 months as well (Rev. 11:2). Furthermore, Israel will remain blinded in part until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled (Rom. 11:25). Then immediately after the tribulation the sign of the Son of man will appear (Matt. 24:29). This is precisely when these days will be shortened for the sake of the elect (Matt. 24:22), while the rest of mankind will enter into the hour of trial that will come upon the entire world to test the inhabitants of the earth (Rev. 3:10). Many believers who aren't ready will be martyred during this final hour. So the sign of the Son of man will signal the end of the times of the gentiles, and then the atonement will once again shift back to the nation of Israel. It should be noted that the Day of Atonement is 8 only days after the feast of trumpets ends.

    Zechariah 12:10
    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    Again, the verse above is referring to the tribes of the earth (Israel) who will mourn when they see the sign of the Son of man (rapture). Then shortly after the wedding supper in heaven (Rev. 19:1-10), the Lord will gather all nations against Jerusalem for judgment (sheep and goats/Armageddon). He will fight to protect and save Israel from the armies of the nations that will come against her. Israel will finally say, blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Then the nations (goats) will turn to fight against the Lord, Himself, but He will utterly destroy them (Rev. 19:11-21), as He returns on the Day of atonement. This is when Israel's sins will be forgiven, on the tenth day after the feast of trumpets begins.

    Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Zechariah 14:1-5
    Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    Just five days after the Day of Atonement ends, the feast of Tabernacles will begin with great rejoicing as Israel will finally be living in the presence of her long awaited Messiah. The moon will be full on the 15th day of Tishri, which will be just two weeks after the new moon appears on Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets). Then Israel will worship her Messiah, the King of kings and Lord of lords. And everyone from all nations will be required to come to Jerusalem and worship Him, year after year throughout the entire millennial reign of Christ.

    Zechariah 14:16-17
    And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

    I believe the feast of Tabernacles will be Christ' official coronation as the King of kings and Lord of lords. But I would not expect the millennial reign of Christ to begin immediately after the feast of Tabernacles begins, though, because Daniel said these wonders (tribulation) would end after 1290 days. Then he was told, "Blessed is he that waits, and comes to the 1335 days" (Dan. 12:12), so there are another 45 days remaining. The feast of Tabernacles would probably be 15 days after the 1290 days (1305 days), which would still leave an additional 30 days remaining. These 30 days may be necessary to cleanse the Temple, not to mention that Jerusalem and the surrounding areas would be a huge mess after the destruction brought on by Armageddon.


    Conclusion in next post....
     
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  7. rollinTHUNDER

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    Conclusion:

    All three of the fall feasts will occur within two weeks of each other in the month of Tishri. Tishri is the seventh month on the Hebrew calendar, and the number seven means completion and/or perfection. I believe these biblical festivals, which are God's appointed times, are going to shed a flood-light on some of these popular rapture theories. It all starts with the feast of trumpets, the feast that no one knows the day or hour.

    Christ said that His coming will be like it was in the days of Noah. If you recall, Noah and his family boarded the ark seven days, not seven years before God poured out His wrath in the days before the flood. God shut the door of the ark seven days before the flood waters came. Noah's family represents Christians being rescued from God's wrath, and it may very well be that those seven days are the same days that will be shortened for the sake of the elect, as Christ said, otherwise, no flesh would be saved. And I believe the Christian's who are not ready when the Son of man appears, they are the same saints that will be overcome by the beast (Rev. 13:7). But Christ also said that His coming would be like it was in the days of Lot. So let's see what He meant by both of these in the passages below.

    Luke 17:26-27
    And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

    I believe the passage above represents the rapture, when Noah and his family were rescued before God poured out His wrath. But did you notice the clues that followed? They ate and drank, they married and were given in marriage. All of these are simple clues hinting at the wedding supper in heaven for those who are ready. Now let's see what He said about the days of Lot in the passage below.

    Luke 17:28-29
    Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

    The parable of the days of Noah represents the rapture, but the parable of the days of Lot does not. Christ' second coming will be like it was in the days of Lot. The very same day that Lot and his family left Sodom and fled to the city of Zoar, fire and brimstone rained down from heaven and destroyed Sodom. Lot and his family represent Israel, who will flee to the valley after the Lord splits the Mount of Olives in two, just as they fled from the earthquake in the days of king Uzziah (Zech. 14:4-5).

    I think it's so fascinating how the Lord hid so many clues in such a short parable. In the parable of Noah, He gave us clues about the wedding supper for His servants who are ready. But in the parable of Lot, we still see the same eating/drinking again, but then it's different. Instead of marrying and given in marriage, we now find they bought and sold, they planted, and they builded. Interestingly, this shows that while the wedding supper was occurring in heaven for those who were ready (eating and drinking), now in the days of Lot we see buying and selling, which hints at the mark of the beast for those servants who were not ready. They planted as well, because they won't be able to buy and sell without the mark of the beast in those days. And finally, they builded (past tense), which shows the third Temple was built on Israel's part. And we know Israel will flee to the valley when her Messiah's feet touch down on the mount of Olives, splitting it in two.

    But the most fascinating thing to me, is that Christ has told us everything, even putting it into chronological order in Matthew chapters 24 and 25, and yet most believers still can't see it, even after almost 2000 years. We know that Israel will be blinded in part until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. But it seems so ironic that the Church does not even realize that she has been blinded as well, because she does not understand the festivals of the Lord, which are God's appointed times. God's Word tells us that history is designed to repeat. And I fear that many of His children will not be ready when the Son of man appears in the clouds, just as Israel wasn't ready and missed her time of visitation. Oh Lord, please help us to open our spiritual eyes.
     
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  8. keras

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    Well RT, we sure see the end times differently. Because you feel obliged to fit a 'rapture' in there somewhere, you become confused as to just when this could happen.
    Note in Matthew 24:29 Immediately AFTER that time of distress....
    What time of distress is that? Look to the preceding verses: Like a lightning flash...will be the coming of the Son of Man. Where the dead bodies are, there the vultures[evil ones] gather.
    I see this 'lightning flash' event paralleled by Psalm 18:12, Psalm 144:6, Zech 9:14 and it will be the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the Nations. Hab.3:12, Matthew 3:12
    There is no rapture, everyone will be tested at this time. Luke 21:35, 2 Peter 4:12
    When Jesus does Return, it will be after the 'wrath of God', is completed. Rev 15:1 He comes then as the 'Word of God', Rev 19:13b and note in Rev 19:13a He comes in blood stained garments, which He got from His previous judgement of the nations. Isaiah 63:1-6
     
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    Learning is a mindset-dependent process.
    Its good to see people post things close to them and I can still appreciate the opportunity to learn from others.
    It also means that once in a while I can admit that I am not always right.
    We might not always agree, but let us not ever stop learning from each other.
     
  10. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi keras,

    No rapture? Wow!

    New Zealand Pentecostals sure are different than Pentecostals here in the states.


    Cheers
     
  11. rollinTHUNDER

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    Amen, brother! We're all in this together.
     
  12. rollinTHUNDER

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    This sounds like replacement theology to me, brother. Don't you know that Israel has been blinded in part until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled? Do you disregard all of the many prophecies foretelling that God will bring Israel back into the promised land? I could understand replacement theology being popular for the hundreds of years they were scattered, but it should have opened some eyes when they became a nation again in a single day. You can say they are not Israel all you want, but this contradicts God's Word. Do you know better than God?


    (1) It is known as Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation and the time of trouble in Dan. 12:1.

    (2) They were dipped in blood from treading the winepress in the Day of the Lord's wrath (Armageddon/sheep and goats - on the Day of Atonement - second coming.

    (3a) Christ has always been the Word of God (John 1:1-3).

    (3b) Yes sir, very much so, as I already discussed this at length in my scenario.

    As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."


    Cheers
     
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    Great thread THUNDERman.. it was a blessing to watch the videos on the feasts and to glean more of its unsearchable fruit.
     
  14. bibletruth469

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    To rolling thunder, it is my belief that one will not find the rapture in the verse Matt 24:29-31. The rapture that is found in 1 thes: 4:15-17 and 1 cor: 15:51 52 is about the resurrection of believers in Christ where Christians receive their glorified bodies . At the resurrection , our bodies will be like Christ's body. We will not need angels to gather his elect as in Matt 24 to gather the people from the 4 corners of the earth, because cor: 15:52-, we will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet and we will be changed .

    Therefore , the bodies of the elect in Matt 24 are non resurrected bodies. They are the righteous who are left on the earth after the tribulation the will repopulate the earth for the millennium .
     
  15. keras

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    RT, your reply to me in #13, you mis-read what I tried to say. The truth is that the true Israel IS all believing Christians, whether they belong to a Church or not. And as they are actually [mostly] Caucasian peoples, they are descendants of Jacob.
    You make the same old error of saying that the current inhabitants of a part of the holy Land, [the Jewish people] are Israel. They did not fulfil that prophecy of becoming a nation in one day, the State of Israel took 50 years to come to fruition. I do not contradict God's Word, you do, when you say the Jews are the only Israel.

    Question 1/ So you say 'Jacobs trouble' is the same as the Great Tribulation? I disagree -the GT is a for 3.5 year period. Jeremiah 30:7 clearly says Jacobs trouble is for 1 day.
    But my question was to prove the Day of the Lord's wrath is before the Return.

    2/ Isaiah 63:1-6 ...in My fury, I stamped on the nations, their blood splashed My clothes.
    You are right, this event is referred to in Rev 14:17-20, but that is before the Return. How can He Return, riding a white horse and get bloodied at the same time? Rev 19:12-17 says He simply destroys the armies attacking J,lem by the Sword of His Word.

    3/ When Jesus was on earth, He always referred to Himself as the 'Son of Man'. So when He comes - not seen by the world and carries out the judgement/punishment of the nations, as per Isaiah 63, Psalm 83, Rev 6:12-17 and over 100 other prophesies, it will be as the Son of Man. But, later, at the Return, He has a new Name.
     
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    DEUTERONOMY 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.


    Nobody saw the body of Moses, the Bible simply says Moses went up a mountain and the Lord buried him, but nobody knows how this happen, or where Moses went (The Bible does not say Moses was taken to Heaven, like Elias was taken into Heaven). We have connected on several occasions, that Moses is the Antichrist, namely because Revelations adds a figure that is connected to 6000, where in the Book of Daniel the figures stop short of 6000, and a numeral figure is not connected to Moses in the same context.

    This is what the Jewish people are referring to, we will revisit the calculation ... the month of the celebration is arbitrary.

    Moses in the First Exodus
    Saturday is the 14th (Passover is the Sabbath)
    Sunday is the 15th (Feast of Unleavened Bread After, for Seven Days)

    (Passover Shift From Moses to Christ Described in our previous quotation)

    Moses 6pm Saturday (Passover on Saturday) (Exodus 12:6)
    King David 6am Sunday (I Samuel 14:24)
    Christ 6am Sunday 7 days Later (Passover on Sunday) (I Samuel 19:2 & John 21:4)

    Moses Assumes the Role as the Antichrist and the Passover Shift
    Seventh Day Sabbath on the First this is a Saturday
    Eight Day Sabbath on the Fifteenth this is a Sunday

    In Parenthesis, The Passover Shifts another 12 Hours to 6pm on Sunday. This begins the Three days of Darkness the Day of Atonement when the Earth is scheduled to be consumed by fire, that is Moses is the offering of the Lord that begins the Star Wormwood Process.

    November 1, 2014 = Saturday this is the First Day and the Sabbath according to LEVITICUS 23:24, at 6pm according to the Bible the Three Days of Darkness will begin, the Tribe of Dan and Ephraim will also be slain from the face of the earth.

    November 5, 2014 = at 6am that is PLUS 3 DAYS AND A HALF the 150 days of the Cosmic Shift Begins.


    Do You See the 1 & 2, the 10 and the 15th, figures mirroring Jewish Observances?


    1 & 2 Passover is Witnessed by Moses at 6pm in the Flesh
    10th Day is the Passover Shift
    15th Day is the Passover

    The Jewish people are presenting a summary of the Gospel in their celebration of the Gospel truth that connects to the End of Days.

    Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day and taken out of Egypt, the Passover Shifts for 8 Days before the Jewish people receive their inheritance through the Law Moses has designed, this mirrors Moses delivering the Jewish people out of Egypt, this is the significance. (Our public safety messages are up and this will have to do ... ... we can take them out of the way easy ... ... let it do as it pleases ... ... it does not have the authority to give a law ... ... it can only attack and pass away)


    We should not be carried away by fancy languages, these are double references: see Below:
    Feast of Trumpets = Passover on the 14th
    Day of Attonement = Passover Shifts
    Feast of Tabernacles = Passover on the 15th

    NOTES

    1. 5/21/2011 to 11/1/2014 = 1260 days or 42 Months + 153 Days = 4/2/2014
    2. 12/21/2012 + 870 Days = 4/2/2014 (Mayan Calendar using GMT Coefficient of 584285, gives us the end of the Mayan Kingdom in 870 A.D., adding 870 days to the length of the Calendar gives us the End of the World.) (figures are in the ballpark)
     
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  17. rollinTHUNDER

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    Thanks Old Timer,

    It probably won't be popular like the pre-trib theory, but it's a lot closer to the truth, I believe. All of the scriptures seem to fit like a glove.


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  18. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi bibletruth,

    I would have no problem in that moment, being ushered into my Lord's presence by an angel, to meet Him in the clouds. It seems more plausible than being gathered by angels for the second coming, when we will be like the angels, and following Christ on white horses.


    So, you think that both Matt. 24 & 25 are only referring to the sheep and goats judgment of the nations? If so, you should know that according to scripture, Christ can not judge the nations as in Matt.25:31-46, until He first judges the house of the Lord.

    1 Pet.4:17-18
    For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now “If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

    Revelation 11:18
    And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Revelation 22:12
    And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    So from the gathering of the elect, all of the parables that follow are dealing with judging/rewarding His servants. And then He will come and destroy those who destroy the earth (goats), and the survivors (sheep) will enter into the millennium to be ruled over by Christ and His saints.


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  19. tranquil

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    In general, I'm pretty much in agreement with about 80-90% of what you said.

    Here's something that has just recently occurred to me, it's kind of nuanced so please bear with me: the Trumpets are all the Day of the Lord. OK, nothing too controversial there, I guess, but when you look at Trumpet 4 it says:

    12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.

    But here's the problem, there's no mention of the Day of the Lord being "1/3" darkened. The day of the Lord is all dark, not partly dark. Amo 5:20, etc
    That must mean there are 3 aspects to the day of the Lord or 3 cycles to it, with the 3 aspects being Egypt, Assyria, and Israel.

    My more important point I'm getting to is that in Leviticus 26

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+26
    and Dueteronomy 28
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+28

    there is a dichotomy between those who are obedient and those who are wicked. The obedient are blessed, the wicked have woes. In the Trumpets, the obedient are blessed at the Day of the Lord, the wicked have woes. Trumpets 1-4 are for everyone on whom that day falls, since there appear to be 3 "portions"/ 3 cycles/ 3 aspects to the Day of the Lord. Trumpet 5, 6, 7 are the 3 woes and describe what is happening to the wicked, not the righteous who have been blessed from the very beginning.

    So, like in the Luke passage of Noah and Lot that you quoted, Christ is just pointing out the dichotomy of the same situation/ same event. The righteous who die at the Day of the Lord are sent to heaven (one could even say that they are "raptured" in the popular understanding of the word in that they are vaporized "in the twinkling of an eye" in a nuclear blast, for example).

    The righteous who don't die are released from the yoke of Babylon. These people are "gathered in the wilderness" a la the Exodus story. Both sets of righteous are "gathered after the tribulation of those days". (Although the survivors will have to put up with people who don't understand the meaning of "gathered"/ "raptured" and try to say that God "loved the other set more" - and also the fact that there will be a faked UFO vacuum cleaner rapture will confuse the matter further.)

    The wicked don't like the Day of the Lord, because they are worldly/ materialistic.

    So, all of this is to say, I think your Fall Feasts idea is, in general, correct, I think that it plays out differently at different times for different people.

    For example, in Isaiah 5


    The 1st woe is when God "plants his vineyard" (Trumpet 1-4/ simultaneously Trumpet 5) (1st "test" that divides the righteous from the wicked - and the righteous are themselves divided between the dead and the living).

    The 2nd woe (5 months/ 150 days later), Trumpet 6 would be the (fall) harvest when God "finds wild grapes". The planting went awry, the survivors who are to become wicked people get their 2nd woe by turning to a false god/ gods. (This is the 2nd opportunity to reform, stay righteous, or go astray.) The 2nd woe incorporates the 1260 days of the temple being trampled by Gentiles.

    I think this 2nd woe, the wild grapes harvest comes at Rosh Hashanah/ Feast of Trumpets 2017 which is when we see the star sign of Revelation 12

    http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/denton1967/signsonofman.png

    Rosh Hashanah starts eve Sept 20, 2017 but the "child" / Jupiter is not "born" yet - it is "born" through the "hips" on the 23rd, which refers to Hosea 6:2

    After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him.

    Of course, this Rosh Hashanah is right after the 70th Shavuot/ Pentecost (eve May 30, 2017) from the creation of Israel (another "birth" of "Zion" in a day).

    Back to the idea of the dichotomy again. When the Abomination of desolation is placed, everyone will know who is wicked and who is righteous. You either have the mark of the beast or not. So, the abomination event is actually the "founding of Zion" because that is what creates the situation for all believers to come together. So, this founding of Zion is at the same time as the abomination = Rosh Hashanah 2017, when the woman flees into the wilderness.

    The "blessed" Rosh Hashanah is not necessarily this "founding date". The "blessed" (1335th) day Rosh Hashanah would be after the Gentiles have the temple for 1260 days. IMO, the founding of Zion is the 70 Shavuot, eve May 30, 2017 or Rosh Hashanah/ AoD date 2017. The "blessed" Rosh Hashanah for those who fell into the "trap" at the 2nd woe (and the 1st woe too probably) would be Rosh Hash. 2020.

    What is interesting is if you look at the 69th Shavuot from the creation of Israel, June 11, 2016, (which is when "messiah" is supposed to arrive in Daniel 9) (which is simultaneously the end of 49 years from the taking of Jerusalem so as to have 7 Sabbath years earned up and a Jubilee) and add 5 months/ 150 days, you get the US election day 11-8-16 (do people see why "Chris Christie" is running, it is all a sick joke to these people - I'm not saying Christie will win, but it means something to them).

    When you add 75 days to eve Nov. 8, 2016 you get Sun. eve Jan 22, 2017. 1335 - 1260 = 75. (The next president is the one who commits the Abomination - eve US inauguration day Jan 20th, 2017 to eve July 3rd, 2020 is 1260 days, the 1261st day is our "Independence Day" from the "antichrist"/ Apollyon. Friday eve Jan 20th is the start of the antichrist, but he wants to imitate Hosea 6:2 above and "live in our sight" on eve Sunday 22nd, day of Monday Jan 23rd, 2017. Add 1335 days to this date to get Rosh Hashanah on a Sabbath, eve Sept 18, 2020.

    Going back to eve Sept 20, 2017, the star sign of Rev 12, Jupiter is being "born" through the hips of Virgo. At the same time as this is going on, there will be a NASA Jupiter explorer that will crash into the planet in Oct 2017. Juno (spacecraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    If something is being "born" on eve Sept 23, 2017, that means it is "conceived" 9 months earlier, at eve Dec. 23/ day Christmas Dec 24th, 2016 when Hanukah lands on the same day as Christmas.

    To sum up, in simple terms, the day of the Lord starts (Trumpets 1-4 & 5 are simultaneous). 5 months of Trumpet 5 plus 7 months to cleanse the land, Ezek 39:12, ends the Day of the Lord year (6-11-16 + 150 days = US election day, 11-8-16 + 7 months is 6-8-17. June 8th, 2017 is 8 days to cleanse the temple after the 70th Shavuot, eve May 30, 2017. (June 8, 2017 is 1150 days after the Passover sacrifice on the Temple Mount that occurred on eve April 14, 2014, the "blood moon" date.) (1150 days is 2300 day and evening sacrifices from Dan 8.)



     
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  20. rollinTHUNDER

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    Brother, what you are saying is nonsense to me. We gentiles are being grafted into the kingdom, not overtaking it. The kingdom of heaven will come one day, but until then we should continue to live by faith. We should not think more highly of our position in Christ, for we can still be cut off, and Israel can still be grafted back into the kingdom (Romans 11:20-23).

    I have no problem with the day of the Lord's wrath occurring before His return, as both will happen on that day. The Mount of Olives will be split in two when His feet touch down. So I fail to see the problem you are trying to point out.

    First He will fight and save Israel. Then the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies will turn from their attack on Israel and attack Him who sits on the horse and His army (Rev.19:19-21).

    There's a huge different between Matt.24:31 (rapture) and Matt.25:31 (second coming). Take note that in Matt. 24 He called Himself the Son of Man, but when the Son of man returns in judgment of the nations He is called the King (Matt.25:34). But I agree He will have a new name and so will we.


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