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The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

Aijalon

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Although the USA does qualify as part of a larger Western hagemony under the demonic leadership of he-goat of Javan (Greece) {see Dan Ch 8} The USA is probably not a "little horn". I think the little horn indicates that the antichrist comes from a some kind of smaller or insignificant nation or background. USA and Obaman don't qualify.

Secondly, Obama has not made a 7 year covenant with anyone.

Thirdly, Obama has not "succeeded" in whatever he has done.

Fourth, Obama is not "fierce of face" (fierce features)

23 `And in the latter end of their kingdom, about the perfecting of the transgressors, stand up doth a king, fierce of face, and understanding hidden things;
24 and his power hath been mighty, and not by his own power; and wonderful things he destroyeth, and he hath prospered, and wrought, and destroyed mighty ones, and the people of the Holy Ones.
25 `And by his understanding he hath also caused deceit to prosper in his hand, and in his heart he exerteth himself, and by ease he destroyeth many; and against the prince of princes he standeth -- and without hand he is broken.
 
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I believe the fine line between theology and lunacy has officially been crossed. Besides, when you apply the Pythagorean Theorem to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, mix in a little of the Banach Tarski Paradox, and run it all through the patented 666 Beast Identifier, you come up with: R-u-s-h L-i-m-b-a-u-g-h. No, wait, I goofed on the Banach Tarski part. Let me try this again. The patented 666 Beast Identifier, which has never been known to fail, says: S-a-r-a-h P-a-l-i-n.

I would like to know where I can find this site, can you provide a link for me?



 
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I believe the fine line between theology and lunacy has officially been crossed. Besides, when you apply the Pythagorean Theorem to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, mix in a little of the Banach Tarski Paradox, and run it all through the patented 666 Beast Identifier, you come up with: R-u-s-h L-i-m-b-a-u-g-h. No, wait, I goofed on the Banach Tarski part. Let me try this again. The patented 666 Beast Identifier, which has never been known to fail, says: S-a-r-a-h P-a-l-i-n.


Can you send a link where you found this please ?
 
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Aijalon said in post 261:

I think the little horn indicates that the antichrist comes from a some kind of smaller or insignificant nation or background.

That could be right.

Dan. 7's 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Dan. 7:17,23), is the ancient Roman Empire. The 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Dan. 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East & North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, & Syria. The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Dan. 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Dan. 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, & the Arabs & Turks could be the clay. In Dan. 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, e.g., there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the 1 hand, & the people of the Middle East & North Africa on the other, could still 1 day put aside their political separation & become united into 1 confederation (Dan. 2:42 refers to the 10 as a singular "kingdom"). The person who brings this about could be the Antichrist (the AC). The arising of the "little" horn (Dan. 7:8, 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Dan. 7:24), could mean the AC will arise from a little country. And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Dan. 7:8) could mean the AC's country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it could have been part of 1 of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Dan. 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, & down into Egypt. So the AC could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who'll come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezek. 28:2, 2 Thes. 2:4).

The AC could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist confederation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Dan. 7:24): Egypt ("toward the south" of Lebanon: Dan. 8:9), Iraq & Syria ("toward the east" of Lebanon: Dan. 8:9). This confederation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine (i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land": Dan. 8:9). This Baathist confederation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat & occupy Israel & Egypt (Dan. 11:15-17; in v. 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Dan. 11:19) shortly before the AC arises on the world stage (Dan. 11:21-45). Years later, when the AC gains control over all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Rev. 17:12) who'll defer to him (Rev. 17:13), like, e.g., when Napoleon gained control over different nations, he appointed kings over them who'd defer to him.

. . . Obaman don't qualify.

That's right.

Obama isn't the AC, for the gematrial "number of the name" of the AC is 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18, 15:2), whereas the gematrial number of the name Barack Hussein Obama is 793: B=2, A=1, R=90, A=1, C=3, K=20, H=8, U=300, S=100, S=100, E=5, I=9, N=50, O=60, B=2, A=1, M=40, A=1. Total = 793
 
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newcreature777 said in post 253:

(Watching) for our Wonderful Blessed Hope, King Jesus Christ of Nazareth to Rapture us up into the New Jerusalem (Heaven)

Re: "Watching", during the future trib of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24, Christians will have to "watch" (stay awake, spiritually) for Jesus' 2nd coming (Mt. 25:13), which won't occur until immediately after the trib (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8, Rev. 19:7-20:6). For if a Christian isn't "watching" (staying awake, spiritually) for the 2nd coming, it will take that Christian by surprise (cf. the if principle of Rev. 3:3b), & that Christian will lose his salvation at that time because of such things as unrepentant sin (Lk. 12:45-46, Heb. 10:26-29, 1 Cor. 9:27), unrepentant laziness (Mt. 25:26,30, Jn. 15:2a, Rom. 2:6-8), or apostasy (Heb. 6:4-8, Jn. 15:6, 2 Tim. 2:12b).

Re: "our Wonderful Blessed Hope", it's the hope of eternal life: "In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2), "that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), "the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7), by which is meant the hope of obtaining an immortal, physical resurrection body (Rom. 8:23-25, Philip. 3:21, Lk. 24:39) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Cor. 15:21-23,51-53, 1 Thes. 4:15-16, Rev. 19:7-20:6), which won't occur until immediately after the future trib of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24 (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8, Rev. 19:7-20:6). Also, Jesus himself is our hope (1 Tim. 1:1b), for he himself is eternal life (Jn. 14:6), and only by believing in him can we have eternal life (Jn. 3:36).

Re: "to Rapture us up into the New Jerusalem (Heaven)", by "Heaven", do you mean the 3rd heaven (2 Cor. 12:2b)? If so, no scripture requires believers will be raptured any higher than the clouds of the sky (the 1st heaven) to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus at his 2nd coming (1 Thes. 4:15-17). After that meeting, in which the church will be judged by Jesus (Ps. 50:4-5, cf. Mk. 13:27) & the obedient part of the church will be married to Jesus (Rev. 19:7, Mt. 25:1-13), the obedient part of the church will come back down from the sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Rev. 19:15-21) & will reign on the earth with him for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29). Then, after the 1,000 years & subsequent events are over (Rev. 20:7-15, Ezek. chs. 38-39), the obedient part of the church will live on the new earth with God the Father & Jesus in the city of New Jerusalem (Rev. chs. 21-22).

God rescued the Righteous (Noah, and his family! Lot, and his family) prior to his Judgment (Wrath) on those Left Behind.

Lk. 17:26-37, Mt. 24:37-41 refers to what will happen at the 2nd coming, "when the Son of man is revealed" (Lk. 17:30), "the coming of the Son of man" (Mt. 24:37,39), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the trib (Mt. 24:29-31). Those "taken" at the 2nd coming (Lk. 17:34-36, Mt. 24:40-41) will be unsaved people who'll be taken where they'll be killed & birds will eat their dead bodies (Lk. 17:36-37; Mt. 24:28, cf. Job 39:30b; Rev. 19:21). The Greek word "paralambano" ("taken": Lk. 17:34-36, Mt. 24:40-41) can be used to refer to being taken to another place to be killed (Jn. 19:16-18).

Those "left" where they are at the 2nd coming (Lk. 17:34-36, Mt. 24:40-41) will include unsaved people who'll be forced to come up annually to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the millennium (Zech. 14:16-19). These unsaved people will have to be ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus & the bodily resurrected church during the millennium (Rev. 2:26-29, 5:10, 20:4-6, Ps. 2, 66:3, 72:8-11). And their descendants will be deceived by Satan after the millennium into committing the Gog/Magog rebellion (Rev. 20:7-10, Ezek. chs. 38-39).

Before the millennium, at Jesus' 2nd coming, those in the church will neither be "taken" & killed, nor "left" where they are, but will be "gathered together" (raptured) (Mt. 24:31, 2 Thes. 2:1) into the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thes. 4:17), the purpose of which rapture meeting will be so that those in the church can be judged by Jesus (Ps. 50:4-5, cf. Mk. 13:27) & married to Jesus (Rev. 19:7) in the sky, before Jesus descends from the sky (the 1st heaven) with the church to bring his 2nd-coming wrath on the unsaved world (Rev. 19:14-20:3). So the 2nd coming will be like "the days of Noah" (Mt. 24:37) & "the days of Lot" (Lk. 17:28,30) in that just as Noah went into the ark before the Flood, & Lot went out from Sodom before it was destroyed, so the church will be raptured at the 2nd coming (Mt. 24:30-31, 2 Thes. 2:1, Rev. 19:7) before Jesus begins his 2nd-coming wrath (Rev. 19:15-20:3, Lk. 17:26-30, Mt. 24:37-39).
 
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I have, i just drop in now and again to say what i don't believe in any more... i suppose i should just go.

:prayer: You are quitting right before the finish line? Heaven forbid. btw. why did you choose that avatar?

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There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned one. It is a figment of Paul's imagination.

Since you think not (below), a sign of that the rapture is close. You are one of the knew nots (below). You infer that Paul made it all up, yet think you are going to be taken even if you are wrong? For those who say that there is no rapture are leading others astray, that's what you are doing. Repent.

Matthew 24:
6 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Although the USA does qualify as part of a larger Western hagemony under the demonic leadership of he-goat of Javan (Greece) {see Dan Ch 8} The USA is probably not a "little horn". I think the little horn indicates that the antichrist comes from a some kind of smaller or insignificant nation or background. USA and Obaman don't qualify.

Secondly, Obama has not made a 7 year covenant with anyone.

Thirdly, Obama has not "succeeded" in whatever he has done.

Fourth, Obama is not "fierce of face" (fierce features)

23 `And in the latter end of their kingdom, about the perfecting of the transgressors, stand up doth a king, fierce of face, and understanding hidden things;
24 and his power hath been mighty, and not by his own power; and wonderful things he destroyeth, and he hath prospered, and wrought, and destroyed mighty ones, and the people of the Holy Ones.
25 `And by his understanding he hath also caused deceit to prosper in his hand, and in his heart he exerteth himself, and by ease he destroyeth many; and against the prince of princes he standeth -- and without hand he is broken.


I think the little horn indicates that the antichrist comes from a some kind of smaller or insignificant nation or background.


Like Wales!


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I think the little horn indicates that the antichrist comes from a some kind of smaller or insignificant nation or background.


Like Wales!


JLB

Well, wales is small, but it is not within the territory of one of the 4 Greek empire break up kingdoms.

I think it is more likely Romania, Western Greece (called Macedonia), the country of Macedonia, Slovena, Croatia, Bosnia Herzogovina, Albania, Moldavia, Buglaria, Serbia, one of the other Balkan states.


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I wrote these blogs. I would like the view to be prayerfully considered :prayer: by the body of Christ so that we will watch, pray, and prepare in case this is an accurate view of fulfillment of scripture.
I fully agree that we need to be watchful. With that said, Today is July 5th and I think Obama is not the Antichrist. That is not to say he doesn't bother me a lot though. Vote him out! :p
 
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interpreter said in post 269:

There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned one. It is a figment of Paul's imagination.

The English word "rapture" is derived from the root of the Latin word "rapiemur", which is how the old Latin (Vulgate) translation of the Bible translated the original Greek word (harpazo) translated as "caught up" in 1 Thes. 4:17. So the "rapture" is the church's being "caught up together" at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thes. 4:15-17), which is the same as the church's being "gathered together" at his 2nd coming (2 Thes. 2:1, Mt. 24:30-31), which will occur immediately after the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24 (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8, Rev. 19:7-20:6).

Christians need to be wary of the mistaken idea no rapture will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming, for such an idea could be employed in the future by the Antichrist's False Prophet (Rev. 19:20, 13:13-15) to fool some Christians into thinking Jesus' 2nd coming has happened (Mt. 24:23-26) without Jesus having to have raptured (caught up together/gathered together) the church to hold a meeting in the sky with him at his 2nd coming (1 Thes. 4:15-17, 2 Thes. 2:1, Mt. 24:30-31).
 
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justsurfing said in post 180:

However, for you to MINIMIZE the 666 beast of Barack Hussein Obama rising by pointing to the second beast is a travesty.

Obama isn't the Antichrist (the AC, the individual-man aspect of the first beast in Rev. 13), for the gematrial "number of the name" of the AC is 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18, 15:2), whereas the gematrial number of the name Barack Hussein Obama is 793: B=2, A=1, R=90, A=1, C=3, K=20, H=8, U=300,S=100, S=100, E=5, I=9, N=50, O=60, B=2, A=1, M=40, A=1. Total = 793.

The "666" in Rev. 13:17c-18 refers to the number six hundred & sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual "man" who's the AC (the individual-man aspect of the first beast in Rev. 13). The number of a name is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: the 1st 9 letters are 1 through 9, the next 9 letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), & the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Rev. 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the AC's name should be done in the same way the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, & Stigma) at the end of Rev. 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus, the TR) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred & sixty-six. The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the 3 obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, & Sampi) were as follows:

Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, & Stigma at the end of Rev. 13:18 (TR) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the AC's name will add up to 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18). John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by believers when the book of Revelation was written. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by believers, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the AC's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet.

The whole purpose of Rev. 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for believers, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the AC. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all believers today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, & so different believers would come up with different transliterations, & so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If Christians think someone's the AC, they need to check & make sure his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Rev. 13:17c-18). If it doesn't, he isn't the AC; if it does, he could be, & they need to be especially wary of him & not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds he might display. But even if someone's name adds up to 666, this doesn't mean he's definitely the AC, for just by chance there could be more than 1 person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The AC may come from a country the territory of which used to be part of 1 of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Dan. 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, & down into Egypt. So the AC could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who'll come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezek. 28:2, 2 Thes. 2:4), & have a name like (e.g.) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this doesn't assure he's the AC, for he also has to sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem & proclaim himself God (2 Thes. 2:3-4, Dan. 11:31,36, Mt. 24:15, Rev. 11:1-2). Once he does that, there won't be any room for doubt over whether or not he's the AC; his identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thes. 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Rev. 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all the letters in that name. So, e.g., the number of "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18).
 
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There is no similarity between a rapture (righteous taken) and Noah (righteous left)
Lets go back and address this.

Noah was certainly not "left". He was raptured out of the world into the Ark, clearly those in the world, were left, and perished.
 
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I see. I was sure I read that Noah was left in this world.

I think the point is that Noah and his family were physically separated from those who were destroyed.

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