The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[justsurfing]

Jesus Declares War to Protect Christians in the “Rapture” of Revelation 12


Synopsis: The apocalypse potentially began 1/21/2009 with the inauguration of Barry Sotero (aka Barack Hussein Obama) to office of President of the United States. It is prophesied that a world leader will rise as a political “messiah”. 1260 days later (3-1/2 years), he commits the abomination of desolations. This begins the 3-1/2 year “Great Tribulation”. At the midpoint of the apocalypse when the 666 beast commits the abomination of desolation, an angel comes down from Heaven in great glory to protect the Christians of the land of Revelation 18. The angel calls those Christians to come out and separate from the followers of the beast on the land. God has prepared plagues including a plague of fire to destroy the followers of the beast on the land. The Christians thus called out by Divine Intervention form a glorious new Christian nation. A “Revolution” is fought by the army of Heaven in Revelation 12 against the 666 beast system and followers of the beast on the land of Revelation 18. The 666 beast system there and it’s followers are destroyed in one hour. The land of Revelation 18 becomes the land of Revelation 12. The Christians who enter the land of Revelation 12, an area of refuge, are protected during the Great Tribulation. The land of Revelation 18, thus Revelation 12, is the USA. Supposing the apocalypse began with the inauguration of Sotero (taking the oath the 2nd time), the date of this Revolution and Secession fought and accomplished by God via the armies of Heaven would be 1260 days from 1/21/2009: July 4, 2012, Independence Day 2012.


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Also, scriptural case with current events detailing evidences Sotero (aka Obama) is the 666 beast here.


I wrote these blogs. I would like the view to be prayerfully considered by the body of Christ so that we will watch, pray, and prepare in case this is an accurate view of fulfillment of scripture.

 

[interpreter]

What rapture? Jesus never mentions one, either in the Gospels or the Revelation.

 

[justsurfing]

What rapture? Jesus never mentions one, either in the Gospels or the Revelation.

This is a protected area during the Great Tribulation. They are "spiritually raptured" in that the Kingdom comes in fullness. Satan cannot "reach" this people group during the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation. They are on earth, but in great spiritual anointing. They arise in great spiritual maturity and purity.

Therefore, I see no one "raptured out" of earth during the 7 year apocalypse. However, these are "caught away" out of the reach of Satan by Divine Protection at the midpoint of the apocalypse when the abomination of desolations occurs.

Revelation 12

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Critias]

Much of what you have said, I've felt for some time. 2012 will be interesting year and I believe we've had our last presidential election.

I know not the timing of when this takes place, but rather understand, somehow , that 2012 will be interesting, to say the least. And it has nothing to do with the Mayans.

 

[Critias]

What rapture? Jesus never mentions one, either in the Gospels or the Revelation.

I share your belief here, however, let's play the devil's advocate.

Read up on the customs of ancient Jewish wedding ceremonies. Then compare to what Christ did and says will come. At least have an open mind about, even if you don't change your current thinking - not trying to change what you think anyways, just interesting.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

What rapture? Jesus never mentions one, either in the Gospels or the Revelation.

Matt 24:31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

REv7: 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


Rev 12: 5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev12:

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

"Rapture" of the two witnesses:

Rev 11:
11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

This is a protected area during the Great Tribulation. They are "spiritually raptured" in that the Kingdom comes in fullness. Satan cannot "reach" this people group during the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation. They are on earth, but in great spiritual anointing. They arise in great spiritual maturity and purity.

Therefore, I see no one "raptured out" of earth during the 7 year apocalypse. However, these are "caught away" out of the reach of Satan by Divine Protection at the midpoint of the apocalypse when the abomination of desolations occurs.

Revelation 12

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It is an error taught in churches today that "the great tribulation" is the "time of wrath". These are two separate time periods which are separated by the 6th seal. The anti-christ has nothing to do with the great tribulation which ends before the 6th seal according to Jesus but is around during the time of wrath which is the 7th seal.

Matt 24:
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.


Why is this not clear to people?

1. Desolation
2. Great Tribulation
3. Great Tribulation cut short
4. False Christs/false prophets/false miracles

Jesus said that immediately after the great tribulation, the sun/moon darken/stars fall which is the 6th seal. There is an entire 7th seal full of beasts, false christs/false prophets/false miracles, trumpets and bowls AFTER the 6th seal.

1. Great Tribulation
2. Sun/moon darken/stars fall (6th seal)
3. Beasts, trumpets, bowls (7th seal)

 

[justsurfing]

It is an error taught in churches today that "the great tribulation" is the "time of wrath". These are two separate time periods which are separated by the 6th seal. The anti-christ has nothing to do with the great tribulation which ends before the 6th seal according to Jesus but is around during the time of wrath which is the 7th seal.

Matt 24:
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.


Why is this not clear to people?

1. Desolation
2. Great Tribulation
3. Great Tribulation cut short
4. False Christs/false prophets/false miracles

Jesus said that immediately after the great tribulation, the sun/moon darken/stars fall which is the 6th seal. There is an entire 7th seal full of beasts, false christs/false prophets/false miracles, trumpets and bowls AFTER the 6th seal.

1. Great Tribulation
2. Sun/moon darken/stars fall (6th seal)
3. Beasts, trumpets, bowls (7th seal)

I agree that the tribulation period is not a time of wrath.

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand... 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

At the 5th seal, the saints are told to wait for a season for the wrath of God until all saints who are going to be martyred are martyred:

Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

God waits to pour out wrath upon the 666 beast system (outside the protected area) until all saints are sealed and protected on earth and/or martyred.

Nonetheless, the saints of the land of Revelation 12 are protected during the Great Tribulation from the beast. Also, God moves in the land of Revelation 18 to pour out wrath at the time of the abomination of desolation. It's the Judgment of God come to the land of Revelation 18 in advance of the wrath that occurs globally at the 6th seal.

The Christians of Revelation 18 are separated and protected (even as Lot in relation to Sodom and Gomorrah). God burns the evil followers of the beast on the land of Revelation 18. Then the protected area, a "nation" because it does have boundary lines of protection and is a unified people under the Government of God as a Christian nation under God, rises on the land. They are protected from the Great Tribulation -- which is the 666 beast slaughtering wholesale all Christians. The 666 beast slaughters all Christians who are outside of protection on land "healed by God" in a "nation under God" separated from the world system.

There is wrath that is poured out on the land of Revelation 18 in advance of the 6th seal. However, the Christians are not touched by God's wrath being poured out on the land and peoples of Revelation 18:

Revelation 18: 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

I'd prefer to stay on topic with the land of Revelation 12 and Revelation 18 at this time -- the discussion of the 666 beast rising, and what happens at the midpoint of the 7 year period of the apocalypse when the 666 beast commits the abomination of desolation. We're entering that season, in my view.

I agree with you on a larger view about the Tribulation, it being cut short, the 6th seal opening.

I don't want to segway in this thread, but I will tell you that the 6th seal opening leads up to the 6th vial of wrath, the 6th trumpet, the 6th thunder, everything of the "6's". Then everything stops for a season. The 1000 year reign of Christ begins. The 1000 year reign of Christ ends as Satan is loosed from the abyss. He gathers the army for Armageddon. Then the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet, the 7th everything happens... at Armageddon after the 1000 years. The "7's" are not initiated to end the 7 year apocalypse. 1-6 end the 7 year apocalypse. the "7's" end Armageddon after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

I appreciate that you have insight into the scriptures regarding the 6th seal, etc.

What is critical right now, in my view, is that the 666 beast has risen. We are racing to the abomination of desolation, the fulfillment of Revelation 18 judgment in wrath in burning of fire, and the rising of the peoples of the land of Revelation 12 in the protected area during the Great Tribulation.

Thank you so much for your insights. Also, if there is a different thread where for discussion of the first 6 seals (and other "6's"), and then the "7's", I would be happy to discuss there. I just would sincerely appreciate this thread staying on topic for the matters of the 666 beast rising, abomination of desolation, Revelation 18 burning, Revelation 12 rising in protection during the Great Tribulation. The time of preparation for entrance to the land of Revelation 12 is upon us right now, in my view.

 

[justsurfing]

Much of what you have said, I've felt for some time. 2012 will be interesting year and I believe we've had our last presidential election.

I know not the timing of when this takes place, but rather understand, somehow , that 2012 will be interesting, to say the least. And it has nothing to do with the Mayans.

Amen. Please read my blogs. I discuss the 666 beast rising: Endtime Prophecy ~ Part III Rise of the 666 Beast 1/20/2009 (or 1/21/2009) in Obama (aka Sotero) “Inauguration”?? | 12 Star Truth

I discuss the land of Revelation 18 and what happens so that the people of the land of Revelation 12 arise protected during the Great Tribulation: Endtime Prophecy ~ Part VI: Jesus Declares War to Protect Christians in the “Rapture” of Revelation 12 | 12 Star Truth

I sincerely want the "word" to "get out to Christians" that the apocalypse has begun and that it is time to prepare for entrance into the protection of the land of Revelation 12.

God bless.

 

[LBP]

I wrote these blogs. I would like the view to be prayerfully considered by the body of Christ so that we will watch, pray, and prepare in case this is an accurate view of fulfillment of scripture.

I believe the fine line between theology and lunacy has officially been crossed. Besides, when you apply the Pythagorean Theorem to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, mix in a little of the Banach Tarski Paradox, and run it all through the patented 666 Beast Identifier, you come up with: R-u-s-h L-i-m-b-a-u-g-h. No, wait, I goofed on the Banach Tarski part. Let me try this again. The patented 666 Beast Identifier, which has never been known to fail, says: S-a-r-a-h P-a-l-i-n.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[justsurfing]

I believe the fine line between theology and lunacy has officially been crossed. Besides, when you apply the Pythagorean Theorem to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, mix in a little of the Banach Tarski Paradox, and run it all through the patented 666 Beast Identifier, you come up with: R-u-s-h L-i-m-b-a-u-g-h. No, wait, I goofed on the Banach Tarski part. Let me try this again. The patented 666 Beast Identifier, which has never been known to fail, says: S-a-r-a-h P-a-l-i-n.

2 Peter 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[justsurfing]

LLOJ subscribes

Thank you with grace, LLOJ. I did see a chat by you which stated that you will be turning 60 in 10/10. You stated that you were not old enough to collect social security. I must respectfully notify you of your inability to collect social security on 10/12, if the 666 beast rose on 1/21/2009. The "rapture" into Revelation 12 (transfer into a full Kingdom nation in Christ on earth in a nation that the founders saw from afar, perhaps, as their ideal in creating a nation under God) would occur in 2012 prior to your 62nd birthday.

There will be no social security in the land of Revelation 12. However, in like manner as Satan is bound and cannot come upon the entire earth in the 1000 year reign of Christ (Rev. 20:1-3), Satan will be defeated with such force on the land of Revelation 12 (Rev. 7-11), that he will fail to gain entrance onto the land:

Revelation 12:13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan, attempting entrance on this land, will go away with wrath turning to make war with all Christians outside of the land. Satan will go away mad from the land of Revelation 12, but Satan will go away. Satan cannot enter the land of Revelation 12. The woman (the nation) is nourished from the face of the serpent.

There will be no monetary units of exchange in the land of Revelation 12, most likely, and definitely no taxation nor social security payments. Therefore, if I am correct, you will never collect social security because you will not be 62 prior to 7/2012.

I will say that in the 1000 year reign of Christ, all saints will be rejuvenated. It does appear that whileas you may not be able to collect social security due to your "retirement age" in 10/2012 ~~ the "upside" is ~~ that you may instead be rejuvenated to youth again upon entrance into the land of Revelation 12. Satan will be cast fully out of the land. What God does in Revelation 12 locally appears to "parallel" what God will do globally at the marriage supper of the Lamb and initiating the 1000 year reign of Christ.

 

[LBP]

From an article about Jack van Impe. Looks like you're in good company! I wouldn't worry about that "Deuteronomy 18:20" thing mentioned in the article; I'm sure God is laughing along with the rest of us.

Jack has been wrong about so many things it would take a book to list them. He has made numerous false prophecies. Here are a few of his false prophecies:

The Soviet flag would be flying over America by 1976,
The Rapture would take place in 1981,
The Rapture would take place in 1994,
The Rapture would take place in 2001.
The Rapture would take place in 2007.
​

He is now predicting the Rapture will take place in 2012. He will be wrong once more. It's a good thing he wasn't born in the Old Testament dispensation or he would have been dead a long time ago (Dt. 18:20).
​

 

[LBP]

The apocalypse potentially began 1/21/2009 with the inauguration of Barry Sotero (aka Barack Hussein Obama) to office of President of the United States. ... The land of Revelation 18, thus Revelation 12, is the USA. Supposing the apocalypse began with the inauguration of Sotero (taking the oath the 2nd time), the date of this Revolution and Secession fought and accomplished by God via the armies of Heaven would be 1260 days from 1/21/2009: July 4, 2012, Independence Day 2012. ... Also, scriptural case with current events detailing evidences Sotero (aka Obama) is the 666 beast here.[/quote]

What on earth was I thinking??? [Slapping forehead] How could I possibly fail to grasp that "Obama is the Beast" was a biblical discussion and that predicting the very day of the Rapture was an entirely biblical approach to the end-times??? I am chastised, humiliated and humbled. I'm going to get out my miniature Mayan Calendar and start taking this all a lot more seriously.

 

[Chris81]

From an article about Jack van Impe. Looks like you're in good company! I wouldn't worry about that "Deuteronomy 18:20" thing mentioned in the article; I'm sure God is laughing along with the rest of us.

Jack has been wrong about so many things it would take a book to list them. He has made numerous false prophecies. Here are a few of his false prophecies:

The Soviet flag would be flying over America by 1976,
The Rapture would take place in 1981,
The Rapture would take place in 1994,
The Rapture would take place in 2001.
The Rapture would take place in 2007.
​

He is now predicting the Rapture will take place in 2012. He will be wrong once more. It's a good thing he wasn't born in the Old Testament dispensation or he would have been dead a long time ago (Dt. 18:20).
​

Then he certainly is a false prophet, let us see what the Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says about false prophets.

Deut 18:20-22 The Lord says, "But any PROPHET who FALSELY CLAIMS TO SPEAK IN MY NAME or who speaks in the name of another god MUST DIE.’ “But you may wonder, ‘HOW WILL WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT A PROPHECY IS FROM THE LORD?’ If the Prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but HIS PREDICTION DOES NOT HAPPEN OR COME TRUE, YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE LORD DID NOT GIVE THAT MESSAGE. THAT PROPHET HAS SPOKEN WITHOUT MY AUTHORITY AND NEED NOT BE FEARED."

 

[justsurfing]

The apocalypse potentially began 1/21/2009 with the inauguration of Barry Sotero (aka Barack Hussein Obama) to office of President of the United States. ... The land of Revelation 18, thus Revelation 12, is the USA. Supposing the apocalypse began with the inauguration of Sotero (taking the oath the 2nd time), the date of this Revolution and Secession fought and accomplished by God via the armies of Heaven would be 1260 days from 1/21/2009: July 4, 2012, Independence Day 2012. ... Also, scriptural case with current events detailing evidences Sotero (aka Obama) is the 666 beast here.[/quote]

What on earth was I thinking??? [Slapping forehead] How could I possibly fail to grasp that "Obama is the Beast" was a biblical discussion and that predicting the very day of the Rapture was an entirely biblical approach to the end-times??? I am chastised, humiliated and humbled. I'm going to get out my miniature Mayan Calendar and start taking this all a lot more seriously.

Please start by reading the blogs. 1260 days from the rise of the beast is the abomination of desolation. The beast rises as a world figure in a political position. My blogs are supported with current events evidence as well as scripture. This is a scriptural discussion of the events that occur at the midpoint of the apocalypse. That date would be 7/04/2012. That's Independence Day for the USA. I state a biblical case with current events showing the view that the USA is the land of Revelation 18 and Revelation 12. This means that one day, the USA will be burned by fire. The Christians who are prepared will be protected. They will rise in a new nation on the land. That's in the Bible. This is a biblical discussion based on current events. Clearly, you see the current talk of revolution in the USA and secession. This is aligning because people are sensing oppressive evil and tyranny being exerted upon them. That is a "spiritual sense". What is happening politically is a "manifestation" of things spiritually moving as an "undercurrent". What is prophesied are acts of God.

7/04/2012 would be the date that this nation sees Revolution wrought by God completed in one hour with a new Christian nation rising.

This is absolutely biblical.

 

[justsurfing]

Then he certainly is a false prophet, let us see what the Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says about false prophets.

Deut 18:20-22 The Lord says, "But any PROPHET who FALSELY CLAIMS TO SPEAK IN MY NAME or who speaks in the name of another god MUST DIE.’ “But you may wonder, ‘HOW WILL WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT A PROPHECY IS FROM THE LORD?’ If the Prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but HIS PREDICTION DOES NOT HAPPEN OR COME TRUE, YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE LORD DID NOT GIVE THAT MESSAGE. THAT PROPHET HAS SPOKEN WITHOUT MY AUTHORITY AND NEED NOT BE FEARED."

That is the OT. Clearly, he was not speaking by the Lord. I set forth a scriptural case. I have never set any time before in my life. However, if one "fixes" the day of the apocalypse being initiated, one then can pinpoint the date of the abomination of desolation biblically 1260 days later. All events related to the abomination of desolation occurring on that day then can be anticipated.

I make the qualification that I am setting forth a view on the basis of watching and praying because it is POSSIBLE, even highly likely, that the date of Sotero (aka Obama) being inaugurated is the apocalypse initiating.

So, I do not state this with absolute certainty as "Thus saith the Lord".

It is invalid for LBP to attempt to smear me with Jack Van Impe when he should write Jack Van Impe on that matter.

I am making a scriptural case with sound basis in scripture and current events to make the statements I make qualifying that it is a view of scripture, an interpretation and application. I believe it has a very high likelihood of being accurate. However, I have not stated, "Thus saith the Lord."

 

[justsurfing]

Rather than a discussion of scripture, Satan has entered the mix to attempt to turn this into persecution and personal attack on me for speaking the Word of God. Christians do not behave in that manner in the Lord.

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

Rather than a discussion of scripture, Satan has entered the mix to attempt to turn this into persecution and personal attack on me for speaking the Word of God. Christians do not behave in that manner in the Lord.

I know how upsetting it is when some people come around and mock you. It's happened to me before too, many times.

Just try and ignore it the best that you can and understand that we are all in different phases of spiritual development, if you know what I mean.

Some are a little more mature then others. Mature christians do not mock or belittle others.