The Quran's "problem" with Christianity

[Niblo]

That fact that 'Jesus' could do this tells us that as a child 'Jesus' could create life. And who creates life, but God Himself? In the final analysis, perhaps the Qur'an is demonstrating that 'Jesus' is the Creator. For notice according to the Qur'an "Allah" creates through His Word---and Jesus/Isa is considered the Word and Spirit of God. Perhaps the author of the Qur'an didn't realize what this all meant...as he repeated Christian folklore and made a huge mistake in repeating it without understanding the full implications.

The Qur’an teaches - repeatedly - that Yeshua (radi Allahu ‘anhu) was a man; and nothing more.

No human - indeed, no creature - is able to create life. This is the preserve of Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) alone. Nevertheless, humans are capable of performing miracles - even restoring the dead to life - but only as conduits, so to speak, of the Creator’s power. This is what Yeshua meant when he said: ‘I will heal the blind and the leper, and bring the dead back to life with Allāh’s permission.’ (Al‘Imran 49).

The ‘permission’ referred to here is the word ‘Be’; the word of creation; the word that created Yeshua in the womb of his virgin mother (radi Allahu ‘anha).

 

[Niblo]

I am stating in full context my friend.
Alif Laam Meem. Zalikal Kitabo la raibafeehi Huddallil Muttaqeen Al-Ladhīna Yu'uminūna Bil-Ghaybi Wa Yuqīmūna Aş-Şalāata Wa Mimmā Razaqnāhum Yunfiqūna.

Alif Laam Meem. That Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide for mutaqeen (pious ones). Those who believe in the ghaib (the unseen), and establish prayer and spend out of what We have given them rizq. (Surah Baqarah1-3)

This is what you wrote:

'According to the Quran to be truly wise you must believe whatever the foolish believe (moslems). surah al baqrah verse 13'

Note: Verse 13......not verses 1-3.

As you can see, verses 1-3 make no mention of fools, or of foolishness, whereas verse 13 does.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

In an attempt to make some peace in tricky situations:

Every religion seems to present itself as better, and its adherents as wiser. I think sometimes the secularists can help instill humility. Its a virtue in many faiths too.

If we see ourselves as fallible, then our faith may be faulty, and the proofs remain "in the future". So as there is no present verification, a sense of ones limits may be healthy.

In terms of social neuroscience discussing conflicting world views probably increases collective stress and may trigger the fight or flight response. Counteracting this is the brain chemistry of love and trust. These IIRC actually limit the damage that can be caused by chronic stress - depression, agitation, illness etc.

There seems to be a convergence in many ethical systems, Christian, Islamic, Buddhist and secular etc that some form of "this life" wellbeing is a sign of righteousness and religious competence. A consensus which is at least helpful if we are to survive and flourish...

In cognitive neuroscience strong emotions actually help trigger memory formation. Focusing of conflict issues can create memory banks leading to negative appraisals of the environment. Like if we go to a fairground ride and just ride the scary rides, then that fear will be central in forming our map of the landscape. If we just eat candyfloss then the same landscape will be represented as "sweet".

So I advise, in navigating these debates, don't continually focus on the intellectual conflicts and other stressors. Its unhealthy and leads to a overly negative "cognitive map" (sense of reality we base inferences on) which seems fundamentally real but is only an aspect of what is possible. Like some Tibetan Buddhists say the world appears not in spite of but because of our cognitive apparatus. And, importantly, the way we use it.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Ill just add a s a Mulsim I felel privileged to post here. There is blood sweat and tears money and time gone into creating a open forum with tolerance and freedom, where debate and discussion can flourish, I am not sure how many Muslim forums are like this.

So, from the Koran I am wondering at my own integrity and worth:

Surah Al Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud)
Woe to those who give short weight,1 who, when they take by measure from others, take it fully, and when they measure or weigh for them, they give them less than what is due....

83. Surah Al Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud) - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the Qur'an