THE QUESTION IS HOW IS ISRAEL SAVED ??

[sparow]

AND we do know that Israel and JUDAH are know two NATON and in Eze 37 are each a STICK

# 1 We do knw that Christ will make the TWO STICKS , ONE STICK .

# 2 And I says that it is ISRAEL and JUDAH will be BORN AGAIN !!

# 3 And many believe that say that they BORN AGAIN ??

What say you !

dan p

Israel was first saved by entering into the covenant; those who did not enter in successfully, and were lost were given a second chance via the renewed covenant; a more interesting question is how gentiles are saved.

 

[Clare73]

Israel was first saved by entering into the covenant; those who did not enter in successfully, and were lost were given a second chance via the renewed covenant; a more interesting question is how gentiles are saved.

All--Gentile and Jew--are saved the same way, through faith and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin (Ro 11:23).

 

[Dan Perez]

All--Gentile and Jew--are saved the same way, through faith and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin (Ro 11:23).

All--Gentile and Jew--are saved the same way, through faith and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin (Ro 11:23).

And I say that GENTILES are saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , PERIOD !!

AND explain how are Jews SAVED TODAY , as there is a VERSE in 2 Cor 3:13 shows why Israel BEING ABOLISHED .

Read verses 14-16 and you are consist and also believe I am very consist .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

And I say that GENTILES are saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , PERIOD !!

AND explain how are Jews SAVED TODAY , as there is a VERSE in 2 Cor 3:13 shows why Israel BEING ABOLISHED .

2 Co 3:13 does not exclude the remnant of Israel that believed in the NT (Ro 11:4-5).

Read verses 14-16 and you are consist and also believe I am very consist .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Israel was first saved by entering into the covenant; those who did not enter in successfully, and were lost were given a second chance via the renewed covenant; a more interesting question is how gentiles are saved.

And I am NOT speaking abut the Moses COVENANT and we know from Acts 2:36 that Israel had CRUCFIED , both Lord

and Christ .

And in Acts 2:37 thet say , WHAT WILL WE DO ??

AND IN Acts 2:38 , that if they REPENT , and let each one of you e BATIZED in the name of JESUS CJRIST , and you

will RECEIVE the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT .

There is no Greek word WATER // HUDOR in the Greek text in Acts 2:38 and reading Acts 2:39 is pormise

is to ISRAEL ONLY !!

dan p

 

[sparow]

All--Gentile and Jew--are saved the same way, through faith and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin (Ro 11:23).

I presume that you are not quoting Romans 11:23. I disagree this way, ha you said, "All--Gentile and Jew--who are saved are save the same way", I would agree, assuming faith and trust meant keeping the commandments of God and having the faith of Jesus.

 

[sparow]

And I am NOT speaking abut the Moses COVENANT and we know from Acts 2:36 that Israel had CRUCFIED , both Lord

and Christ .

And in Acts 2:37 thet say , WHAT WILL WE DO ??

AND IN Acts 2:38 , that if they REPENT , and let each one of you e BATIZED in the name of JESUS CJRIST , and you

will RECEIVE the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT .

There is no Greek word WATER // HUDOR in the Greek text in Acts 2:38 and reading Acts 2:39 is pormise

is to ISRAEL ONLY !!

dan p

Nor was I talking about Moses covenant, but about God's covenant(s), where Moses was mediator and later Jesus is mediator, same king, same kingdom, same promise, and same Law.

 

[Clare73]

I presume that you are not quoting Romans 11:23. I disagree this way, ha you said, "All--Gentile and Jew--who are saved are save the same way", I would agree, assuming faith and trust meant keeping the commandments of God and having the faith of Jesus.

Salvation is not based on keeping the commandments, in fact, all good works are excluded as the means of salvation, which is through faith only (Eph 2:8-9).
But true faith obeys God's laws, so that where there is no obedience, there is no true faith, only counterfeit faith.
But it is only the faith that saves, obedience is simply the necessary result of that faith.

 

[Dan Perez]

All--Gentile and Jew--are saved the same way, through faith and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin (Ro 11:23).

And Rom 11:23 is SPEAKING of Israel , and HAS already cut them off and if they should not continue in UNBELIEF , will

be GRAFTED IN ( MEANING ISRAEL ) and will be GRAFTED in Eze 36:25 .

dan p

 

[sparow]

Salvation is not based on keeping the commandments, in fact, all good works are excluded as the means of salvation, which is through faith only (Eph 2:8-9).
But true faith obeys God's laws, so that where there is no obedience, there is no true faith, only counterfeit faith.
But it is only the faith that saves, obedience is simply the necessary result of that faith.

Paul you can have a conversation with, but one should use Jesus as the authority, Matt 7:23, 25:41. Faith is only grammatically different to trust. Do you trust Jesus (the word of God) to do what he said or o you trust Jesus to do what Paul said?

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul you can have a conversation with, but one should use Jesus as the authority, Matt 7:23, 25:41. Faith is only grammatically different to trust. Do you trust Jesus (the word of God) to do what he said or o you trust Jesus to do what Paul said?

AND the only way Jew can saved today and be in the BODY OF CHRIST , is written in Gal 3:28 and will NEVER be

Jews ever again as verse 28 , says There CANNOT // OV , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , notttttttttttt ever be ,

ever AGAIN .

So how are JEWS saved an still be JEWISH ??

dan p

 

[sparow]

AND the only way Jew can saved today and be in the BODY OF CHRIST , is written in Gal 3:28 and will NEVER be

Jews ever again as verse 28 , says There CANNOT // OV , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , notttttttttttt ever be ,

ever AGAIN .

So how are JEWS saved an still be JEWISH ??

dan p

I do not use Paul as an authority; Paul's statements have 2000-year-old contexts and semantics which is not available to us. Jesus made the new covenant with the lost of Isreal and Judah, the twelve apostles were commissioned to take that Covenant to the Gentiles.

 

[Dan Perez]

Salvation is not based on keeping the commandments, in fact, all good works are excluded as the means of salvation, which is through faith only (Eph 2:8-9).
But true faith obeys God's laws, so that where there is no obedience, there is no true faith, only counterfeit faith.
But it is only the faith that saves, obedience is simply the necessary result of that faith.

AND how were Israel kepy SAVE , with a VERSE ??

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

I do not use Paul as an authority; Paul's statements have 2000-year-old contexts and semantics which is not available to us. Jesus made the new covenant with the lost of Isreal and Judah, the twelve apostles were commissioned to take that Covenant to the Gentiles.

AND 1 Cor 11:1 and Paul by the HOLY SPRIT , WROTE , You become IMITATORS of me , just as I also am of CHRIST !!

And many FOLLOW , Peter , so who do you follow ?

And here is one , how were Adam and EVE SAVED in GEN 3:21 and that is some 6000 years ago !!

OR , how are Jews saved TODAY without Rom 10:9 and 10 and of course PAUL , RGHT !

dan p

 

[Jeff Saunders]

AND 1 Cor 11:1 and Paul by the HOLY SPRIT , WROTE , You become IMITATORS of me , just as I also am of CHRIST !!

And many FOLLOW , Peter , so who do you follow ?

And here is one , how were Adam and EVE SAVED in GEN 3:21 and that is some 6000 years ago !!

OR , how are Jews saved TODAY without Rom 10:9 and 10 and of course PAUL , RGHT !

dan p

How were Adam and all those who came before Jesus saved?
John 14:6 " I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"
All those who came before Jesus had to accept him after their mortal body had died, otherwise there are multiple paths to the Father and Jesus was mistaken, and the cross was unnecessary.

 

[Dan Perez]

How were Adam and all those who came before Jesus saved?
John 14:6 " I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"
All those who came before Jesus had to accept him after their mortal body had died, otherwise there are multiple paths to the Father and Jesus was mistaken, and the cross was unnecessary.

And read Gen 3:21 and will explain if you can not unerstand .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

Paul you can have a conversation with, but one should use Jesus as the authority, Matt 7:23, 25:41. Faith is only grammatically different to trust. Do you trust Jesus (the word of God) to do what he said or o you trust Jesus to do what Paul said?

I trust Jesus who said that what Paul said is what he said (Lk 10:16).

 

[Clare73]

AND how were Israel kepy SAVE , with a VERSE ??

The same way all the saved are kept, by the Holy Spirit.

Those of God are sealed in salvation by the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14).

 

[Jeff Saunders]

And read Gen 3:21 and will explain if you can not unerstand .

dan p

So you think that the skin covering saved them?

 

[Dan Perez]

So you think that the skin covering saved them?

And I believe , is where ATONEMENT first BEGAN .

DEATH BEGAN and BLOOD was shed as death on the CROSS .

dan p