It seems strange to me for you to say the bible doesnt contain doctrine. As far as i can tell doctrine means to teach something. The apostles and the Lord teach us many things.
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It seems strange to me for you to say the bible doesnt contain doctrine. As far as i can tell doctrine means to teach something. The apostles and the Lord teach us many things.In a word, no.
Name a doctrine. The support for it is scatter throughout the Bible.
Look up a doctrine in a book of doctrine. All in one place.
Therefore, the Bible is not a book of doctrines.
It is the source from which doctrinal facts are collected and organized.
Time for you to have the last word again.
What say you to that?
I'm not saying that the Bible doesn't contain doctrine.It seems strange to me for you to say the bible doesnt contain doctrine. As far as i can tell doctrine means to teach something. The apostles and the Lord teach us many things.
Ok, so you admit that the bible contains doctrine, and thats all i was saying. A book of doctrine is usually one mans interpretation. I would rather interpret things myself.. The bible is my doctrine, i dont follow denominations and their doctrine.I'm not saying that the Bible doesn't contain doctrine.
I'm saying it is not a book of doctrine.
It is the source from which doctrinal facts are collected and organized.
Name a doctrine. The support for it is scatter throughout the Bible.
Look up a doctrine in a book of doctrine. All in one place.
That's the difference.
Have you had the last word yet?
How is it that all the denominations are wrong but you are right?i dont follow denominations and their doctrine.
I dont think they are wrong about everything, just as im not right about everything. Why would you assume such a notion? Are you just trying to argue my friend?How is it that all the denominations are wrong but you are right?
On what basis did you make that determination?
The Bible itself is the text book that God gave to us in order to grow up in and get mature in the faith!Ok, thank you. Do the apostles teach doctrine in their writings i.e. the scriptures?
Thank you.The Bible itself is the text book that God gave to us in order to grow up in and get mature in the faith!
Your OP said this:I dont think they are wrong about everything, just as im not right about everything. Why would you assume such a notion? Are you just trying to argue my friend?
I dont think they are called. I think they are trained by other men. This doesn't mean they get everything wrong though.How can they be right about anything if you claim they are not called of God?
That being said, maybe your expectations are out of whack?I dont think they are called. I think they are trained by other men. This doesn't mean they get everything wrong though.
In Martin Luther's day, who was called by God to teach? Was it the catholic Church or Luther that was called to teach? It seems that these churches oppose each other so they cant both be right.. Same thing with EO and RCC. Both cant be right. You say im judging an impossible standard but to me its impossible that God would call both EO and RCC, both RCC and Luther to teach.That being said, maybe your expectations are out of whack?
You are judging men by an impossible standard and then declare they are not called by God. Does that seem fair to you?
Would not a real NT Church have to at least be teaching the real Gospel to start with?In Martin Luther's day, who was called by God to teach? Was it the catholic Church or Luther that was called to teach? It seems that these churches oppose each other so they cant both be right.. Same thing with EO and RCC. Both cant be right. You say im judging an impossible standard but to me its impossible that God would call both EO and RCC, both RCC and Luther to teach.
The only Apostles we have today are those who were foundational and already in scripture.Whenever the apostles confronted division in the church they fixed it. Where are all the modern day apostles who will fix the division in church today? Also, how can all these church teachers be called by God if their doctrine divides us? Does God teach division and confusion?
The Protestant Reformation was a division in the church. That is what you are complaining about, all the divisions. Even you can see that in this case division was a good thing. Right?In Martin Luther's day, who was called by God to teach? Was it the catholic Church or Luther that was called to teach? It seems that these churches oppose each other so they cant both be right.. Same thing with EO and RCC. Both cant be right. You say im judging an impossible standard but to me its impossible that God would call both EO and RCC, both RCC and Luther to teach.
You are failing to see my point. The fact that such divisions exist means that these teachers are not called by God. Both the Pope and Luther cannot be called by God to teach their doctrine, and one, if not both, are wrong. Same with RCC and EO, Same goes with any denomination, their divisions prove their calling to teach is not from God but from man.The Protestant Reformation was a division in the church. That is what you are complaining about, all the divisions. Even you can see that in this case division was a good thing. Right?
So you are claiming that no one is called by God? Wow. (division being the "proof")You are failing to see my point. The fact that such divisions exist means that these teachers are not called by God. Both the Pope and Luther cannot be called by God to teach their doctrine, and one, if not both, are wrong. Same with RCC and EO, Same goes with any denomination, their divisions prove their calling to teach is not from God but from man.
What other conclusion can i come to? Who is teaching the pure truth without mans fallible traditions and doctrines added to it?So you are claiming that no one is called by God? Wow. (division being the "proof")
I know I was called of God.So you are claiming that no one is called by God? Wow. (division being the "proof")
Divisions being proof of heresy, i would ask you who is deceived?The church has had division and error from the beginning and anyone who thinks that means something is horribly wrong, are just as deceived as they believe the church is.
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