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It remains true unless you produce from scripture another means for distributing the gifts of the Spirit.
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It remains true unless you produce from scripture another means for distributing the gifts of the Spirit.That is what is generally seen in Christendom today but not what the Word declares.
They have NO power over a christian filled with the Holy Spirit, and walking in obedience to the scriptures!
That's a long way from your original claim that no Christian can be demonised.They have NO power over a christian filled with the Holy Spirit, and walking in obedience to the scriptures!
Scripture does not use the word possessed, neither do I.No. same message as always, , that no true Christian can ever be possessed by one, but can be oppressed by one!
Because the scriptures alone are the infallible revelation from to us on what is sound doctrines and practices!You are not being reasonable at all, how can you say that?
You are moving the goalposts here. as my claim as always been that while Christians can be oppressed by demons and Satan, cannot be possessed by them!That's a long way from your original claim that no Christian can be demonised.
Lets look at what Paul says here about prostitution.-
1Cor6v15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Having taken then the members of the Christ, shall I make them members of a prostitute? Never may it be! 16Or do you not know that the one being joined to the prostitute is one body?
For it says, “The two will become into one flesh.” 17But the one being joined to the Lord is one spirit.
By joining with a prostitute, their two bodies/temples, became one. By his agreement through fornication, the demons in her temple of prostitution, could walk freely into his temple.
18Flee sexual immorality. Every sin, whatever if a man might do, is outside the body, but the one sinning sexually sins against the own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have from God? And you are not your own, 20for you were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body.
You will note that Paul is addressing the believers, making it clear that believers can get demonised by such activity.
Likewise Christians can get demonised through pornography, as the demons enter through hungry and wide open eyes.
My primary point being to shoot down the silly nonsense that Christians cannot become demonised.
Hopefully, the number of Christian men who get demonised through using prostitutes is very small. However the mere fact that we can get demonised from some things should warn Christians that there are countless other ways they can have demons within their temple, including those that remain from before they became Christians.
Because the scriptures alone are the infallible revelation from to us on what is sound doctrines and practices!
No, rather your teaching leaves people confused, frightened, worried, and not really sure if they are saved or not, or that Jesus is not really the Lord over all situations experienced, both the good and the bad!I am sure we both agree that our bodies are the temple of the Lord, and the New Testament Temple parallels the OT temple, with the scriptures regularly drawing that comparison.
If you recall during periods of apostasy in the OT, they filled the temple with idols (demons). You should also know that this happened whilst the presence of the Lord was still in residence!
I am pointing this out to disprove the false theology behind the claim that demons cannot dwell in the same location that the spirit of the Lord also resides.
It also disproves the claim that Christians cannot have demons within them.
It also disproves the claim that once a person becomes a Christian, there is no need for deliverance because all the demons just have to flee.
And also to be clear, idols, whether wood or stone, have demons residing within them.
1Cor10v19What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? v20No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.
So lets look at how demons/idols shared the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, just as they also share residence in a Christian's own body/temple.
2Kings21v7Manasseh even took the carved Asherah pole he had made and set it up in the temple, of which the LORD had said to David and his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel I will establish My Name forever.
Here we see that when Manasseh installed his Asherah pole, he was also introducing demons to within the temple.
And on the occasion the Lord lifted him by the spirit from Babylon and took him on a tour of the Temple in Jerusalem, Ezekiel also reveals extensive demon worship within the temple
Ezekiel 8v Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall. He said to me, “Son of man, now dig through the wall.” So I dug through the wall, and behold, an entrance. And He said to me, “Go in and see the wicked abominations that they are committing here.”
Ezekiel has just arrived at the temple of the Lord, and is instructed to dig through the wall.
So I entered and looked, and behold, every form of creeping things and beasts and detestable things, with all the idols of the house of Israel, were carved on the wall all around.
At the very same time the presence of the Lord was resident on the temple, these idols are also resident within the temple of the Lord.
We know this to be true because the next chapter or two of Ezekiel details the stage by stage removal of the presence of the Lord from the temple.
The description of idol worship continues-
Standing in front of them were seventy elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan standing among them, each man with his censer in his hand and the fragrance of the cloud of incense rising. Then He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what the elders of the house of Israel are committing in the dark, each man in the room of his carved images? For they say, ‘The LORD does not see us; the LORD has forsaken the land.’” And He said to me, “Yet you will see still greater abominations which they are committing.”
Just as the demons were hidden within the temple of the Lord back then, demons can be hidden in the New Testament temples of our bodies today.
It is both very foolish and extremely unscriptural to claim that Christians cannot have demons within them. It leaves the body of Christ completely vulnerable and powerless to resist demonic influence in individuals or in the church.
There is no spiritual problem not either directly or indirectly addressed in the Bible!And if a spiritual problem arises, and is not in the bible, what you will say? you would look for wisdom or revelation from God, or just give up because is not in the bible?
One verse that shows a Christian possessed by demons then?Scripture does not use the word possessed, neither do I.
At the end of the day, scripture shows that people can and do have indwelling demons, and makes no differentiation between believer and unbeliever. And you have never proved otherwise.
There is no spiritual problem not either directly or indirectly addressed in the Bible!
Well stop using the confusing word "possessed" then, seeing that its not scriptural.You are moving the goalposts here. as my claim as always been that while Christians can be oppressed by demons and Satan, cannot be possessed by them!
Goodness me, what an infantile bunch of Christians you seem to be raising up if they are confused frightened worried and not sure they are saved when someone mentions demons.No, rather your teaching leaves people confused, frightened, worried, and not really sure if they are saved or not, or that Jesus is not really the Lord over all situations experienced, both the good and the bad!
Scripture makes it abundantly clear that demons dwell within people.One verse that shows a Christian possessed by demons then?
So the faith warrors, as God calls them, in Hebrews 11 that were sawn in half, killed, persecuted,lived in caves, were being hounded and live in dire situations had your overcoming living, as you describe it as being?
You mock the grace of God in her life, as the Lord uses her to show to others who are facing bad situations like hers that God is faithful even when in the midst of trials and tribulations being experienced! God jas chosen to permit her to stay in that state for His glory....
We are still here living under the Curse, effected by the fall of Adam, and there shall be no more sickness/disease, and all shall indeed have full prosperity with the Second Coning happens, and Jesus sets up His kingdom here upon the earth! God cares FAR more that we grow in maturity than our ease comfort and pleasures!
The apostles are our examples to follow. They didnt earn millions selling their doctrine then call it Gods prosperity! Please friend, i think you need to wake up.Hey what about Enoch?, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Gideon, Barak and Samson, Daniel, shadrach Meshak and Abednego. All of these were prosperous folk and were persecuted.
Godly prosperity and persecution go together.
God's people when they prosper really threaten Satan's kingdom. If the devil has sold you the poverty gospel he has limited your outreach.
Poverty doctrine is medieval Catholicism...the people were encourage stay poor and holy while Rome engrandised herself.
Wake up, poverty is a curse and a killer. If you don't believe it go to India.
Actually that is why they are divided. Because they have given themselves over to a false church government and every man does that which is right in his own eyes instead of their being judges as Isaiah 1 speaks about.If God still calls apostles and prophets, then why are the churches divided? Can a church that is divided over doctrine actually be called by God? Arent their teachers wrong, and therefore not gifted at all?
The apostles are our examples to follow. They didnt earn millions selling their doctrine then call it Gods prosperity! Please friend, i think you need to wake up.
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