The Purpose of the Rapture.

[dfw69]

Jesus was conceived with that body.

It was mortal and His suffering and death proves it

First born, not first resurrected.

He was the first fruit to receive the resurrection unto eternal life through the receiving of the incorruptible heavenly body

You know the difference between birth and resurrection, no?

Yeeeessss …

Adam lost that original body.

The only thing Adam lost was the benefits of the garden of Eden

Adam was created in a permanent incorruptible physical body.

Unless he didn’t need food and water to sustain his body then he was mortal

Then Adam died and was given a temporal corruptible physical body.

Adams death was not instant as you assume bro He death came from not having access to the tree of life

You are not paying attention to what death means.

I know what your saying and I’m saying that he was mortal subject to death but the tree of life sustained his mortal life that is why it’s called the tree of life his death judgment came by way of taking away that which gave him life

We are in Adam's dead corruptible image, nor God's.

We are all created in Gods image
And just as death reigned in us life will reign in us

Upon the soul leaving Adam's dead corruptible physical body, the soul then enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body. Read 2 Corinthians 5:1 a couple more tines.

I disagree with your teaching

Adam was not created into a mortal body, and neither was Jesus born into a mortal body.

We are going in circles and I’m being to get tired of this carousel…no offense

Adam was created with the body Jesus was born with.

I don’t see that in scripture

Adam died, which placed all of his offspring into a mortal body. Except Jesus, because Jesus was the firstborn of Adam's offspring into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. Firstborn, not first resurrected. Jesus left the tomb through all that dirt and stone, in the same body they placed in that tomb, which was them sealed with a huge stone. Jesus was already gone, when the stone was rolled away. And there was not a pile of dust or bones.

Yes Jesus received the body from heaven an incorruptible body ..His moral body became immortal

Why do you deny that Adam died and went from God's image to a mortal corruptible physical body?

Adam was always in Gods image but according to the flesh

Do you believe every soul every human is no longer in Gods image so you can do whatever you want to humanity and it’s not a sin to do so because they are lost and dead ? There is a satanic ideology that believes people are edomites or sub human so they do all manor of evil against humanity breaking Gods laws He created to protect His creation because they believe they don’t count …

Why do you deny that Jesus was born in God's image, which was also Adam's original physical body?

I told you already

Why do you deny that as sons of God, we have that image of God immediately after leaving Adam's dead image that only returns to dust?

Because its a future hope as Paul taught by way of rapture

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

And we await our new house to live eternally with our Father

Two types of physical bodies. Adam's dead corruptible physical body. God's permanent incorruptible physical body.

Adams mortal body made of flesh

Jesus heavenly body made possible through the birth and transformation of the Spirit of God

Adam lost the physical body God gave him. Christ gave back that physical body starting with Lazarus, and all those souls in Abraham's bosom.

Some say lazareth was resurrected back to mortal body and died again because Jesus was not yet glorified

Jesus resurrected on Firstfruits to signify that He was the first fruit to receive the promises of eternal life

As for the captives in Abraham bosom they may have received the same resurrection with Jesus and they may have been a part of the firstfruits resurrection with Jesus

Being made alive is leaving this tabernacle for the building prepared by God.

We will be eternal when mortal puts on immortality as Paul says

 

[Timtofly]

We eat every day Adam did too …but without the tree of life we eventually die because we are mortal

So Adam did not starve to death of malnutrition? Why did you post that?

Adam died, and was given a mortal body that could live 900 years. God shortened that to 120 years post the Flood. One of Adam's offspring lived 969 years, but did not make it past the Flood. Being mortal meant one would eventually die, but
God sets a time limit on how long one can live in this dead state. Most destroy their own bodies before that time limit.

The point is that Adam was created in a body that would never die. But when Adam disobeyed God, he did physically die, and he lost that permanent body and was given a temporal body of death. God did not let Afam remain in the Garden, because that body of death could keep eating and living from the Tree of Life. But the Tree of Life was not necessary when Adam had his permanent incorruptible physical body. It only became necessary for his new body, but God declared it off limits. Adam could not keep living forever in sin and death.

If Adam never disobeyed God, he would still be alive today in the Garden of Eden. He would not be in a body of death, nor sin. He would be a son of God, not mortal. Being a son of God does not mean divine. It means not being dead and separated from being in the image of God. Death is separation from God. But also separation from the created image of God as sons of God. We are mortal because of this death. If we were not under death, we would not be called mortal.

 

[Timtofly]

Then He would not be able to die nor suffer the pain of being whipped and crucified

He would always have pain. Why would pain only happen if one was mortal?

Jesus willed Himself dead. That is the whole point. Jesus never did one thing that demanded death. That death on the Cross was God providing Himself the only Lamb necessary for His plan of redemption. It was not orchestrated by humans at all. Even if the Jews or you think otherwise.

You are thinking about some human imagined super hero who could cut off a limb, feel no pain, grow it back instantly, as if nothing happened. According to Scripture Jesus never got into a situation where a single bone was broken, even though that was traditional for death on a cross.

At one point they wanted to get rid of Jesus, but he disappeared into the crowd. Jesus did not go around looking for ways to hurt his body, or prove something super hero style.

Before sin and death, humans still ate something. Just not dead things. It points out in the first chapter of God's Word their diet.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

This is repeated in the second chapter.

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Nothing new ever sprung up out of the ground wild nor domestic. Before it could germinate in the ground it was consumed by every living animal and all the humans created on the 6th day. God planted everything on the 3rd day.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day."

That was their diet until Adam disobeyed God, and sin entered and with sin, death.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12

 

[Richard T]

Purpose is to take the NT believers out because they have the authority of Christ unless you feel God would ignore all their prayers and abilities in God. Another purpose is that the rapture will cause an economic collapse. Demand would shrink horribly, banks would go under completely as no one pays their bills. Full globalization will be the alternative and everyone will sign on with the new seemingly wonderful but demonic leadership. Lots of great reasons just thought I would add in a couple some might overlook.

 

[Timtofly]

It was glorified… how can He be eternal if it was the same mortal body ? how can He fly up to heaven to sit at Gods right side? How is He still be alive ? How can He appear inside the room with closed doors to appear before His disciples?

Jesus never had a mortal body, so none of this matters. He always had those attributes since conception.

Obviously Jesus died. The exact same body was resurrected. Jesus is the only descendant of Adam through Mary, who will have the original body He had as a baby in the womb.

But no one took Jesus' life. As God, Jesus gave up the breadth of life as planned by God before creation. Jesus did not die because He was mortal. Jesus died because He was God.

 

[Timtofly]

I know what your saying and I’m saying that he was mortal subject to death but the tree of life sustained his mortal life that is why it’s called the tree of life his death judgment came by way of taking away that which gave him life

We are all created in Gods image
And just as death reigned in us life will reign in us.

You are not listening to Scripture. Seth was in Adam's image, not God's. Genesis 5:1-3

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

Two different images. One God's permanent incorruptible physical body that Jesus was born with. The first born. The first begotten. Adam was created in God's image. Jesus was born in God's image. Adam physically died out of God's image into the image of death.

The second image of death, is Adam's temporal corruptible physical body. That is the image Seth was born into. You use the word mortal.

Jesus was not the firstborn mortal. Jesus is the first born only begotten son of God. Seth was the firstborn son of Adam's dead corruptible image, the firstborn mortal.

If Adam was still in God's image, it would have not been placed in God's Word that Seth was in Adam's dead mortal image. Seth would still be able to be considered a son of God, in God's permanent incorruptible physical body image.

That is the only two types of physical bodies, images passed down from generation to generation.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

After physical death the redeemed are restored to the image Adam lost. It is immediate, because those in Christ do not experience death nor taste death. The redeemed leave mortality behind for eternal life.

 

[dfw69]

So Adam did not starve to death of malnutrition? Why did you post that?

Yes he did it just took 900 years

The nutrition found in the tree of life sustain the mortal body and when you take it away you would eventually die as Adam did … Adam ate of it so the nutrients sustained him for almost 1000 years …

Adam died, and was given a mortal body that could live 900 years.

No he was created with a mortal body

God shortened that to 120 years post the Flood.
One of Adam's offspring lived 969 years, but did not make it past the Flood. Being mortal meant one would eventually die, but
God sets a time limit on how long one can live in this dead state. Most destroy their own bodies before that time limit.

I believe the tree of life nutrients were still in adams bloodstream and bone marror and genes so his offspring lived longer

The point is that Adam was created in a body that would never die.

If that were true there would be no need for a tree of life

But when Adam disobeyed God, he did physically die, and he lost that permanent body and was given a temporal body of death. God did not let Afam remain in the Garden, because that body of death could keep eating and living from the Tree of Life. But the Tree of Life was not necessary when Adam had his permanent incorruptible physical body. It only became necessary for his new body, but God declared it off limits. Adam could not keep living forever in sin and death.

Lol I disagree

If Adam never disobeyed God, he would still be alive today in the Garden of Eden.

Yep

He would not be in a body of death, nor sin.

Yes

He would be a son of God, not mortal.

He was the son of God through creation and created mortal with the need of the tree of life

Being a son of God does not mean divine.

Adam was not eternal thus the need to eat of the tree of life for eternal living

But Jesus obtained divinity through obedience and obtaining the new heavenly body

It means not being dead and separated from being in the image of God.

Adam was created in the image of God in appearance ..so am I ..we all are in the image of God

He had fellowship with God in the garden but that ended when he disobeyed

Death is separation from God.

Yes

But also separation from the created image of God as sons of God.

No

We are mortal because of this death.

We are mortal because flesh give birth to flesh

If we were not under death, we would not be called mortal.

And death is going to end one day praise God

 

[dfw69]

He would always have pain. Why would pain only happen if one was mortal?

Pain comes from having flesh

Jesus willed Himself dead.

No He did not … they killed Him…they slain Him like a lamb is slain

That is the whole point. Jesus never did one thing that demanded death.

True yet His mortal body experience death for us to become our Passover

That death on the Cross was God providing Himself the only Lamb necessary for His plan of redemption. It was not orchestrated by humans at all. Even if the Jews or you think otherwise.

It was Gods will that His Son die at the hands of mortals to save mortals ..the Jews judged and condemned Him and handed Him over to the gentiles to be slain…

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

This is repeated in the second chapter.

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Nothing new ever sprung up out of the ground wild nor domestic. Before it could germinate in the ground it was consumed by every living animal and all the humans created on the 6th day. God planted everything on the 3rd day.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day."

That was their diet until Adam disobeyed God, and sin entered and with sin, death.

the tree of life was also a part of his diet…

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12

But eternal life will be passed by the new man, the new Adam

 

[dfw69]

Jesus never had a mortal body,

Yes He did being the son of man

He always had those attributes since conception.

No He received though attributes after His resurrection …Before that , the miracles He performed were through the annointing of the Holt Spirit

Obviously Jesus died. The exact same body was resurrected.

Yes only it put on immortality

Jesus is the only descendant of Adam through Mary, who will have the original body He had as a baby in the womb.

I believe I will have my original body as well only glorious like Jesus eternal heavenly body

But no one took Jesus' life. As God, Jesus gave up the breadth of life as planned by God before creation. Jesus did not die because He was mortal. Jesus died because He was God.

No He was mortal to save mortal He gave up the ghost

When He said I have the power lay down my life and take it up …it means He had the authority to choose to give Himself up to be killed and the authority to be risen up from the dead by God

Like Abraham believed that God would resurrect His Son after sacrificing Him… Jesus had to rely on His Father that His Father would resurrect Him

 

[dfw69]

You are not listening to Scripture. Seth was in Adam's image, not God's. Genesis 5:1-3

All mankind is in the image of God In appearance

So when Adam had Seth in his image it just means he looked like his father

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

Two different images.

It’s just saying Adam was created in God appearance and Adam had Seth and Seth looked like Adam

One God's permanent incorruptible physical body

No

that Jesus was born with.

No

The first born. The first begotten.

That’s right and Jesus was begotten by God and received a mortal

Adam was created in God's image.

In appearance

Jesus was born in God's image.

Yes but Adam and Jesus are not twins they don’t look alike

Jesus looks like God
Seth looked like Adam

Adam looked like God In appearance like a shadow

If all were in the image of God
Then God Jesus Adam and Seth look alike lol …

Adam physically died out of God's image into the image of death

Death has no image

The second image of death, is Adam's temporal corruptible physical body. That is the image Seth was born into. You use the word mortal.

There’s no second image of death

Jesus was not the firstborn mortal.

Jesus was the firstborn of God to be born mortal yes

Jesus is the first born only begotten son of God.

Yes but also born into a mortal body He is the Son of God the Son of man (Adam) and Son of Joseph and Son of David

Seth was the firstborn son of Adam's dead corruptible image, the firstborn mortal.

Seth was just as much mortal as Adam and they both would have needed the tree of life to remain alive which was not available because death came from humanity’s fall when Adam disobeyed taking away what would have kept them immortal

If Adam was still in God's image, it would have not been placed in God's Word that Seth was in Adam's dead mortal image. Seth would still be able to be considered a son of God, in God's permanent incorruptible physical body image.

Adam was in the image of God like a shadow… Seth looked like his father Adam in resemblance

Jesus looks like His Father in heaven in appearance like a shadow being a man and also most likely looking like His Father in resemblance

They were all created mortal ,human ,of flesh , called humanity subject to death without the tree of life
Believe what you want man but I await the image of my Father in heaven to become like Him which is to become like the glorious Son of God

We will bear our Father’s image

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is.

After physical death the redeemed are restored to the image Adam lost. It is immediate, because those in Christ do not experience death nor taste death.

The future rapture will prove you wrong

The redeemed leave mortality behind for eternal life.

We are changed at the sound of 2 trumpets one wakes the dead from corruptible to incorruptible like Jesus did and the other trumpet transforms the living into the children of God

 

[Timtofly]

When He said I have the power lay down my life and take it up …it means He had the authority to choose to give Himself up to be killed and the authority to be risen up from the dead by God.

He did give up the spirit on His own, as He was God, and that is how Jesus died. You claim some humans literally killed God. Only God had the power to remove that breadth of life and give it back. Jesus had that authority because he was God.

Jesus was not the son of some man. Jesus was the physical son of Mary, a woman in human flesh. Why do you claim Mary passed on sin and death into the physical body of Jesus? He could not be the perfect sacrifice if he was just another mortal sinner.

 

[Timtofly]

It’s just saying Adam was created in God appearance and Adam had Seth and Seth looked like Adam

Obviously, prior to Adam's disobedience, humans looked like God. After disobedience, humans looked like Adam.

Seth was just as much mortal as Adam and they both would have needed the tree of life to remain alive which was not available because death came from humanity’s fall when Adam disobeyed taking away what would have kept them immortal.

So Adam died, and years later, Methuselah still had some of that tree of life in his system?

 

[dfw69]

Obviously, prior to Adam's disobedience, humans looked like God. After disobedience, humans looked like Adam.

We still look like God In appearance

So Adam died, and years later, Methuselah still had some of that tree of life in his system?

Why not?

 

[dfw69]

He did give up the spirit on His own, as He was God, and that is how Jesus died. You claim some humans literally killed God. Only God had the power to remove that breadth of life and give it back. Jesus had that authority because he was God.

He was not God …He was Gods son .. He was made like unto man … mortal thus the need for the Holy Spirit annointing yo perform miracles He was as if God was with us on earth He was Gods representative

Jesus was not the son of some man. Jesus was the physical son of Mary, a woman in human flesh. Why do you claim Mary passed on sin and death into the physical body of Jesus? He could not be the perfect sacrifice if he was just another mortal sinner.

He was born mortal so adams sin which causes death was pass onto Him death was pass on to His mortal body ..but He was without sin and also Gods Son so able to conquer death

 

[Aaron112]

900 years seems a long time to starve to death from malnutrition:

"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Found this post in isolated search for malnutrition.
In the news the last few minutes was the results widespread from malnutrition today -
something they don't understand but they labelled it "long cold" - i.e. symptoms lasting a "long" time ...

 

[Aaron112]

So Adam died, and years later, Methuselah still had some of that tree of life in his system?

Why not?
Why not?

He never had it in his system.

 

[dfw69]

He never had it in his system.

Was he a son of Adam? Can you live 1000 years ? Can any man live that long today?

I believe he did.

 

[Aaron112]

Was he a son of Adam? Can you live 1000 years ? Can any man live that long today?

I believe he did.

Why do you believe he lived that long ?
Others lived hundreds of years also.
But no one ate from the tree of life in the garden -
so they lived long because
the Creator had made them that way - long life was expected then , at that time,
as Designed!

 

[dfw69]

Why do you believe he lived that long ?
Others lived hundreds of years also.
But no one ate from the tree of life in the garden -
so they lived long because
the Creator had made them that way - long life was expected then , at that time,
as Designed!

Designed? Or the tree of life properties still effected the children of Adam through dna and after time it became less potent…