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Um...yes. Seriously.Seriously? - lol
Saint Steven said: ↑
Matthew 5:14-16
“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
@JAL I never really got a response to post #12. (quoted above)I hope prophetic utterance includes prophetic listening.
"You are the light of the world. …", is not an evangelistic statement?Um...yes. Seriously.
Ok so let's summarize:Your found paradigms aren't worth 20 cents if you don't get out there and do something with them.
What specific city is that statement sending the apostles to, for evangelism? What specific message does it command them to preach? None. All it's doing is pointing out that as we become more holy, don't hide the Light. An example of this is peer pressure. The Light of the Lord might convict my conscience to oppose, for example, racism, but if I endorse it due to pressure from my peers, I've effectively hidden that light under a bushel."You are the light of the world. …" is not an evangelistic statement?
"... let your light shine before others …" is not an evangelistic statement?
You seem to be subject to the paralysis of analysis.Ok so let's summarize:
(1) Your position: Just get out there and evangelize.
(2) My position: Wait upon the Lord for a clear signal (a direct revelation) at the level of 100% certainty.
Two things to be emphasized in favor of my view.
(A) Since there are 100 billion souls at stake, I need to be 100% certain whether 1 or 2 is the correct approach. Problem is, I don't see any way to reach 100% certainty except by waiting upon the Lord for direct revelation. Thus I'm stuck with 2 by default.
(B) This approach of waiting up the Lord has a strong biblical precedent in OT military strategy. Take for example the prophet David:
"David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And the LORD said unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines…"
Would you slaughter the Philistine nation - or any nation - on less than 100% certainty? I hope not.
That was never intended to be a model for evangelism. Is it pointed to as such in any other scripture?If you want a clear paradigm for evangelism, you might want to take a look at the book of Acts, especially Pentecost because God was wise enough to early-on - at the very outset of the book - to establish the evangelistic schema for all future generations of believers.
Wow. More personal stabs to make up for a lack of supporting Scripture.If your coworkers see you cheating your employer, that is counterproductive to world evangelism.
That's not Scripture.You seem to be subject to the paralysis of analysis.
More disparagement of prayer. More disparagement of what the disciples did until Pentecost. Nice.You could sit in church and pray until you sweat blood and probably nothing will happen.
Pentecost was NOT a model for evangelism? You must think God is an incompetent instructor. You're free to operate on that assumption. I beg to differ.That was never intended to be a model for evangelism. Is it pointed to as such in any other scripture?
Um...I linked to two of my posts on that topic. Here they are again (see post 179 on another thread, and post 180).You haven't really supported the idea of prophetic evangelism. (whereas I have)
Scripture seems to define prophetic ministry primarily in two dimensions:I hope prophetic utterance includes prophetic listening.
@Saint Steven, wait! You didnt tell us you were repudiation things whilst you had no hair. How dare you! Everyone knows you cannot argue a point with 0% hair, that is waaaay out of line! The Holy Spirit has long flowing locks of beautiful hair which when waved to and fro in the upper room created a rushing mighty wind. What have you got? Not hair apparently.You baldly repudiate the Pentecost paradigm?
I don't get the joke.@Saint Steven, wait! You didnt tell us you were repudiation things whilst you had no hair. How dare you! Everyone knows you cannot argue a point with 0% hair, that is waaaay out of line! The Holy Spirit has long flowing locks of beautiful hair which when waved to and fro in the upper room created a rushing mighty wind. What have you got? Not hair apparently.
(don't get all worked up JAL, I'm just joking around)
You seem to find humor in rejecting the biblical paradigms.
Wow. You seem to have little or no confidence in the potential of prayer. This flies in the face of so much Scripture it's not even funny.
I don't understand why you would be so quick to disparage Christ's teaching.
You must think God is an incompetent instructor.
That's only a personal jab if you admitting to "cheating your employer". Is that what your are doing? Do you need me to supply supporting scripture on that issue?Wow. More personal stabs to make up for a lack of supporting Scripture.
I meant in reference to the topic, which is encouraging us to listen to those we are evangelizing.You complained that you never got a response to this post:
Scripture seems to define prophetic ministry primarily in two dimensions:
(1) Hearing what God has to say.
(2) Relaying the message to His people.
If there's a third component entitled prophetic "listening", I don't see it clearly articulated in Scripture. Admittedly there are verses indicating the value of being a good listener. But prophetic ministry is not clearly defined in those terms. As an analogy, are the following two ministries clearly defined in terms of listening?
- "Those with miracles"
- "Those with gifts of healing"
I think you have a somewhat man-made definition of prophecy, perhaps due to the influence of the modern charismatic movement (e.g. Wayne Grudem), that doesn't square with the OT definition of a prophet. And personally I find that attempts to distinguish OT and NT prophets are forced, fabricated, and unconvincing.
This was the definition I gave. Man-made?… I think you have a somewhat man-made definition of prophecy...
It's a personal jab because yesterday you DECIDED that I was cheating on my employer.That's only a personal jab if you admitting to "cheating your employer". Is that what your are doing? Do you need me to supply supporting scripture on that issue?
Saint Steven said: ↑
If your coworkers see you cheating your employer, that is counterproductive to world evangelism.
That's not your entire definition and certainly not what I was objecting to. I was referring to things like:This was the definition I gave. Man-made?1 Corinthians 14:3-4
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
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