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Armed disciples stood a fighting chance against the Romans, a home owner would not stand a fighting chance against the Gestapo. Fighting the Gestapo would only result in the murder of the homeowner and the jews hiding in the home.The Ten Commandments, "You shall not bear false witness." Just before Christ was arrested he told his disciples to buy a sword. This was for self defense in case the Romans tried to arrest them and execute them. It was only His time to be arrested and executed, it was not their time yet. They needed to remain alive to initiate the beginning of His Church.
Born in sin and shaped in iniquity equals born with a natural desire to reject his word.He didn't create us with a natural desire to reject Him. We freely chose to reject Him.
Uhh no logic is not subjective, someone can disagree on the premises and therefore come to a different conclusion, but no, logic is objective. You do know that without logic science is impossible don't you?Logic can be subjective; logic to one person is often illogical to another. But whatever the case, when they make that leap they are not acting on science.
What makes logic objective?Uhh no logic is not subjective, someone can disagree on the premises and therefore come to a different conclusion, but no, logic is objective. You do know that without logic science is impossible don't you?
Uhh no logic is not subjective, someone can disagree on the premises and therefore come to a different conclusion, but no, logic is objective. You do know that without logic science is impossible don't you?
Read any of their books especially where they criticize the need for God. Darwin stated that his theory is purely materialistic. No need for God. In the case of Dawkins watch any of his debates with Christian scientists.D
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Darwin, Huxley, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, Christopher Hitchens, Carl Sagan, and many more less famous atheists.
strat: Do you have direct quotes of these people stating that?
Read any of their books especially where they criticize the need for God. Darwin stated that his theory is purely materialistic. No need for God. In the case of Dawkins watch any of his debates with Christian scientists.
Right opinions do not falsify God. At least not scientifically. Nor do atheistic stipulations in science applications. Demarcating God as unscientific and then refusing to consider is not the same as falsifying God which is science method. That being if there are two possibles for given phenomena (origin of life here, for example) and the one is demarcated then it is not really falsified. Scientifically false does not equate to objectively true.Stating that there is no need for God is not the same as saying God does not exists as a fact.
Right opinions do not falsify God.
Neither does wishful thinking.Whilst it does not falsify God,
Read any of their books especially where they criticize the need for God. Darwin stated that his theory is purely materialistic. No need for God. In the case of Dawkins watch any of his debates with Christian scientists.
Demarcating God as unscientific and then refusing to consider is not the same as falsifying God which is science method.
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No, they can think they have an objective moral standard, but only Christians and people that try to live according to the Christian God's moral standards actually have an objective moral standard.
ken: Actually Christians and people that try to live according to the Christian God’s moral standards only think they have an objective moral standard as well! But they are actually only living according to the Christian God’s subjective moral standard.
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And also Evolution ends as I stated earlier. So to go back to my main point death and suffering are a natural part of evolution and without them Evolution cannot occur. So why are you against them?
ken: You provided an impossible unrealistic scenario that could stop Evolution; you didn’t show evolution depends on death or pain. You could have just as easily claimed evolution depends on happiness and life because without new life being born, evolution stops as well! Your argument fails.
The Bible itself says that God is unscientific. Matthew 4:7.
Testing things is the requirement for scientific investigation. But God should not be tested. This is why God is not subject to science.
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As far as Hitler you obviously did not read my earlier posts where I proved that Hitler hated Christianity in private. He claimed to not hate it in his propaganda like Mein Kampf. But even as a child, his best friend said that he quit going to mass against his mothers wishes. He also said as an adult that "I myself am a heathen to the core." Hitler also said the "heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity."
ken: So you take the word of someone claiming to be Hitlers confidant over what Hitler actually said in his books, his speeches, and what he did in public? Wow! Talking about grasping at straws.
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Actually you are correct, they believed that natures laws (their morality esp. Hitler's) were objective and one of the most important was that only the strong should survive. What I meant was even though they believed that their morality was objective and backed by science, it was in fact subjective, because they subjectively chose their own race to be the superior race favored by nature and their god, but there was no objectively rational reason to choose their own race as the one nature favored.
ken: That’s what YOU say; but according to them there was an objectively rational reason to choose the Aryan race as superior to all others; they even had faulty science to confirm their beliefs. The point is, they believed morality was objective, and backed up by science.
The jews were chosen not because they were superior to any other people though once they were chosen their behavior began to improve and many became believers and started living morally superior lives. But the other tribes were killed/executed for their crimes and sins and rebellion against God.Ed1wolf said: ↑
Not according to the Christian God, the Christian God teaches that all humans are created in His image and all are equally loved even His enemies.
ken: It all depends on where you look; remember God considered the Jews his chosen people, and there were instances when their enemies (Midianites, Amalekites, and others) were not loved but slaughtered
No, it can be demonstrated using logic that only Christian morality is objective, because it is based on God's objectively existing moral character.
Yes, I did prove that evolution depends on death and pain.
And yes evolution does depend on new life being born too. It does not depend on happiness
because most living things dont experience happiness, only humans do.
So evolution can continue without happiness, it obviously doesn't depend on happiness.
How do you know that was a direct quote from Hitler? Did you get it from a book with his signature on it? Or did you get it from some guy who claimed to know Hitler. (2nd hand information)If the latter, how do you know he was telling the truth?Huh? I just provided a direct quote of Hitler in the statement above. He said he "was a heathen to the core."
How do you know it was a childhood friend? People do lie ya know!And a childhood friend is a good source.
And I bet if I became world famous, there would be a lot of liars claiming to be my childhood friends who never knew me, but with false information about me for anyone gullible enough to listen.I bet if I talked to your childhood friends I could find out a lot about you and your personality.
No doubt that genocide thing he was known for wasn’t exactly being a good christian; but I’m talking about what he believed.But I can provide direct quotes from his speeches too where he shows evidence of not being a Christian.
Using objective laws of logic? Okay! Let’s see you prove them wrong using objective laws of logic.Nevertheless they can objectively be proven to be wrong using the objective laws of logic.
Okay; so everyone is equal, but God just chooses to treat some better than the others huh? That’s your interpretation, some might interpret such treatment as an indication that God loves them more.The jews were chosen not because they were superior to any other people though once they were chosen their behavior began to improve and many became believers and started living morally superior lives. But the other tribes were killed/executed for their crimes and sins and rebellion against God.
Lets put aside that evolution by natural selection has met its burden of proof, to the highest levels in science - this essentially means that it is not really in doubt by anyone who is considered a credible expert, despite the large amount of funding pumped into proving it wrong it simply strengthens it.
Not the modern wolf but some type of ancient canine.riv: Do you believe that a wolf is the common ancestor to all dogs?
Yes, some type of early feline.riv: So you believe that lions and tigers come from a common ancestor?
You will have to provide better photos than that. Establishing relationships between organisms is complex. Skeletons of two totally unrelated organisms can be very similar. For example, the swordfish and the sail fish look VERY similar morphologically but are totally unrelated.
There are credible experts on both sides, though creation is the minority position, but there are many theories in the history of science where years later the minority position was proven to be correct. A lot more money has been pumped into trying to prove macroevolution, and they still have a long way to go.
Not the modern wolf but some type of ancient canine.
Yes, some type of early feline.
You will have to provide better photos than that. Establishing relationships between organisms is complex. Skeletons of two totally unrelated organisms can be very similar. For example, the swordfish and the sail fish look VERY similar morphologically but are totally unrelated.
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