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It would seem so...Does this mean, view points that are different from your own should not be allowed on this site?
Disputing the Bible and calling its teachings false, or an outright lie, is another. (Suggesting that the Biblical creation account is an outdated myth because it's not supported by current scientific evidence for instance).
"Push back", maybe. I'm fine with my position being challenged. But remember, we are not to be deriding or personally attacking other members here just because we don't agree with their particular viewpoint.
Oh, and although I do not claim to have all the answers in life (religion, science or otherwise) I do not "ignore 155 years of science."
It's ok with you if I accept generally held meanings of words? Thanks.When I say "objective", I mean the ability to pull back and look at the big picture in light of all available evidence to see what's actually true. If you want to call it subjective objectivity, then that's fine.
Do you have examples of personal attacks against you, vs your scientific view points simply being questioned?
Just a note: purposefully undermining or insulting Christianity, the Bible and the faith of individual Christians is not permitted on this forum.
I see way too much of this happening here. There are enough other sites on the Internet to engage in such behaviour/arguments. Honest questions asked of Christians regarding their faith is one thing. Disputing the Bible and calling its teachings false, or an outright lie, is another. (Suggesting that the Biblical creation account is an outdated myth because it's not supported by current scientific evidence for instance).
This site holds to very specific Christian beliefs and has a very specific purpose. Non-Christians who come here do not have to agree with the beliefs of Christians, and they are welcome to honestly dialogue and even debate, but what is unacceptable is to instead call any or all of the Christian faith, the Bible or God a lie or a fairytale.
You do understand the purpose of "outreach"...right? Undoubtedly, I believe there are open minded non-believers who genuinely come to the "outreach" section of a Christian forum because they truly want Christians to "reach out" to them and answer their questions. Christians come to the "outreach" section to "reach out" to non-believers in order to teach them about Christianity with the hope that non-believers may become saved. Not to be "reached out" by atheist activists in order to be "deconverted".
The point is this, if you or anyone else come to this forum for the sole purpose of arguing with Christians, you are in the wrong place. There are plenty of atheist forums you can choose that will allow you to "bash" christianity all you like and you would have plenty of like minded individuals to pat you on the back and tell you what a good boy you are. I recommend going to "the thinking atheist". I have been on that forum for a while and there are a lot of good people there who are far more respectful of Christians than many of the atheists here. There are also a lot of Christians there to harass too.
So, why are you on a Christian forum? What is your end state?
I wasn't referring to personal attacks. Re-read what I wrote.
Where in what I wrote do I refer to attacks made against me personally? I am speaking generally about what I have observed happening all over this site, and I am merely pointing out that such conduct is a violation of the rules of this forum.
Also, I am not talking about my own views on science here. Violating forum rules is not acceptable, and we all agreed to the rules when we signed up.
This.On this particular section of the site, if you havent figured out why non believers engagenin discussion, you have not been paying attention.
It is typical, for those that hold beliefs that dont hold up to objective scrutiny, to cry foul when someone else points out the content of certain posts and why they are flawed.
Those defense mechanisms, start working overtime.
Does this mean, view points that are different from your own should not be allowed on this site?
Of course different viewpoints should be allowed on this site, I already acknowledged that. What isn't allowed, as per forum rules, however, is blasphemy and mockery of God, the Bible or the Christian faith. Non-Christians do not have to agree with Christians, but they are not to call Christianity, the Bible or God a "myth" or a "fairytale." (Or other similar terms). This is the conduct I was referring to.
Blasphemy and Contempt of Christianity
"It is considered blasphemy to insult or mock Christianity or any part of the Trinity-Father (God), Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Honest debate about the nature of God and Christian Theology is allowed, but derogatory remarks are not. Contemptuous remarks regarding Christianity or Christian practices are not allowed."
"Those who do not adhere to the Statement of Faith are welcome as members and participants in discussions, but you are required to respect these beliefs, even if you do not share them."
"By using this website, you acknowledge your acceptance and understanding of these rules. These rules apply to all [b
/b]communications made on this site."
http://www.christianforums.com/help/rules/
Where in what I wrote do I refer to attacks made against me personally? I am speaking generally about what I have observed happening all over this site, and I am merely pointing out that such conduct is a violation of the rules of this forum.
Also, I am not talking about my own views on science here. Violating forum rules is not acceptable, and we all agreed to the rules when we signed up.
Disputing a literal interpretation of the Bible, and calling teachings derived from such an interpretation into question (e.g., Young Earth Creationism), is not a violation of the rules.Disputing the Bible and calling its teachings false, or an outright lie, is another. (Suggesting that the Biblical creation account is an outdated myth because it's not supported by current scientific evidence for instance).
I will repeat.
Please give specific examples of posters violating site rules and feel free to report them as well.
I have. And when I did, the moderator I contacted wrote back to me and told me they had passed on my concerns to the other mods and only one responded. That moderator told me honestly that their hands were tied in the matter. Clearly violations are not always dealt with as per the rules of this forum. In any case, the moderator assured me that if I personally observed rules being violated that I and others could remind members of forum rules and that we are not violating any rules ourselves by respectfully doing so.
Disputing a literal interpretation of the Bible, and calling teachings derived from such an interpretation into question (e.g., Young Earth Creationism), is not a violation of the rules.
You said that calling the Biblical account of creation a myth was an example of such a violation. It's not. Many Christians consider that account to be myth or allegory, while still maintaining that God was somehow ultimately responsible for the creation of the universe. We are allowed to discuss the mythological status of Genesis, even if it trespasses against the theological commitments of some Christians, specifically those whose hermeneutics will not allow them to consider it a myth.That is not what I am talking about. I am referring to Christian beliefs such as God created the world and everything in it being called a myth or a fairytale. Such comments ARE a violation of forum rules. And threads that continually end up in debates about Darwinian evolution vs. Creation always bring out at least some of these comments.
I am not naming names, read the conversations on this thread and others in the general sections of this forum. Are you honestly saying that such violations don't happen?
And I have reported specific posts, and I will continue to do so.
Maybe it would help if you could clarify between mocking Jesus and believing Jesus as a myth.Of course different viewpoints should be allowed on this site, I already acknowledged that. What isn't allowed, as per forum rules, however, is blasphemy and mockery of God, the Bible or the Christian faith. Non-Christians do not have to agree with Christians, but they are not to call Christianity, the Bible or God a "myth" or a "fairytale." (Or other similar terms). This is the conduct I was referring to.
Blasphemy and Contempt of Christianity
"It is considered blasphemy to insult or mock Christianity or any part of the Trinity-Father (God), Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Honest debate about the nature of God and Christian Theology is allowed, but derogatory remarks are not. Contemptuous remarks regarding Christianity or Christian practices are not allowed."
"Those who do not adhere to the Statement of Faith are welcome as members and participants in discussions, but you are required to respect these beliefs, even if you do not share them."
"By using this website, you acknowledge your acceptance and understanding of these rules. These rules apply to all communications made on this site."
http://www.christianforums.com/help/rules/
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