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no... it does not take faith for me to says there's no gremlin under my bed because such an idea undermines reason itself. God and gremlins are the same stuff, fears hopes dreams and fairy tales
 
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Yes, I did state there are few exceptions. However, in general, goodness is a weakness in the wild.
 
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So you don't actually know what you're talking about...

Here's a really simple example of things scientists are TRYING to figure out.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/01/20-big-questions-in-science

I didn't say science isn't trying to figure out ANYTHING anymore, I said that there are certain things they have already claimed are absolute fact, and they present these claims as indisputable truth in multiple places in the public arena, every single day. You really need to read what I've written more carefully.
 
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If I did those exact same things I'd go to jail for murder. Doublestandard much?
Do you know the difference from "killing" and "murdering"? How would you define the two?
 
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no... it does not take faith for me to says there's no gremlin under my bed because such an idea undermines reason itself. God and gremlins are the same stuff, fears hopes dreams and fairy tales

Now isn't that an overly simplistic and dismissive claim. Fair enough if it helps you sleep at night. At least if you choose to label God and a gremlin as the same thing you avoid actually having to ask honest questions about life and meaning etc. Convenient if you ask me.
 
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Science has done both. It has enhanced life and lengthened it for some and it has also caused death and shortened life for others.
 
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And you were wrong about what science has claimed as absolute fact.
 
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I asked for examples and no scientific theories are not presented as fact but very well founded theories.

I did, and yes, I do know what I'm talking about.

No you didn't.

Hitler didn't want to serve anyone but himself, and that is exactly what he did. I'm quite convinced that at times he actually thought he WAS God, many people who lived through his horrors have said the same.

You're not actually bothering yourself with what Hitler actually said and did.


No I don't need to read the bible again, Hitler did talk about being a Christian. Yahweh would have killed me if I had lived in the old testament and Jesus says he'll burn me in a stove one day so.... put it together for yourself. The bible says god is going to kill more people that Hitler ever hoped to and that he already has.


As I've repeatedly told you... my moral system is that those things are wrong. Subjective morality simply acknowledges that my feelings are the basis. My system isn't allowing other people to have different moral systems... its just acknowledging that I have nothing but my feelings. Your moral system would let god do anything he wants... that's bad and immoral.


I have not insulted you and I have not attacked you... I said you are selfish and deluded if your basis of rape being wrong is because it tarnishes gods image rather than how destructive to people those things are.

I have told you over and over that murder and rape are wrong... I'm not sure why you can't get that. I then add that I use my feelings as the basis... and then you go back to my system making those things ok and it just makes no sense. You're just helpless to believe in right and wrong without a god and that would make you a sociopath if that ever happened. I'm sorry but it's true. I value humans, you value god's authority.
 
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As I have said many times; I see no reason to believe there is a God, but I may be wrong.

In regards to a universe created from nothing, I would first ask you to demonstrate; nothing ever existed.

My philosophy is this; very few things can be known to be true with 100% certainty, but I can certainly conclude, something is extremely likely to be true based on the objective evidence to support the same. I agree with evolution based on the objective and scientific levels of evidence. I agree with other scientific theories, that all of us rely on each day of our lives, based on the evidence to support them.

I like to believe in as many true things as possible and the more objective evidence that is available, increases the chances, something is true.

That's how I roll.
 
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Examples?

Car accidents due to mechanical failure, shipwrecks due to design flaws, deaths due to reactions to medicine, (such as deaths caused by damage to the body from chemo or radiation)

And of course, we know that cars have also saved lives, as have ships, as has medicine. This is my point, science has done BOTH.
 
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no... it does not take faith for me to says there's no gremlin under my bed because such an idea undermines reason itself. God and gremlins are the same stuff, fears hopes dreams and fairy tales
Do you believe that there is no God? Can you prove it?
 
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Loins are also social creatures. Do you know what happens to all the Cubs when a new male lion takes power?

That's actually an example of protecting your own genetic offspring. You seem to think I was saying animals never ever hurt each other. I wasn't I was saying it beneficial for creatures to take care of each other and that this is one reason why humans regularly sacrifice to help other people or accept shame and guilt to stay in other peoples good graces.
 
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You are creating a strawman in regards to science. Likely, because it helps you hold onto your personal faith.

Does science scare you?
 
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Do you believe that there is no God? Can you prove it?

I don't need to prove that gremlins are not real, considering them a possibility undermines the very logic you blunder to try to use. God is the same.

God is inherently illogical, you have to dismiss logic in order to consider it. God is the opposite of your attempt at logic. It's no different than claiming that you need to prove beyond doubt that I'm not god myself in disguise.
 
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Please provide examples of the above.

And specifically, when has science presented "absolute facts" in regards to the origin of life?

I will await these specific examples, from scientific sources.
"Life originated from inorganic matter." Science cannot prove it, test it, or even recreate it. Yet if you don't believe in God, you have to have faith that it is true.
 
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Bad science does not cause car accidents, bad design and improper use of science causes failure.

In regards to chemo, science tells us in advance chemo has side effects, but when someone has terminal cancer, it is worth those side effects to use that treatment.
 
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"Life originated from inorganic matter." Science cannot prove it, test it, or even recreate it. Yet if you don't believe in God, you have to have faith that it is true.

No faith required, just an examination of the available evidence.
 
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Sorry, which legal jurisdiction are you talking about?

A lot of us live in different jurisdictions, anyway.
 
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