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If people who use the bible have varying morality, that tells me other factors are in play.
I did address it. But when you ignore my replies there is nothing more to say.
Really? You have evidence that I was aware of the Egyptian source when I was learning the Golden Rule? Funny. The way I remember it, I didn't know of it at that time. When you only know of one source, I don't see how its arbitrary to follow it.
I'll agree to do that on 2 conditions. 1) That if we're going to use this example to judge Biblical morality, we judge it based on my interpretations.
Did you want to drag out their suffering another 110 years?
Should we do that at your request?
What did these 9 million children who suffer and die before the age of five, do before they entered the world to deserve suffering?
What you failed to mention is that the people suffering from these diseases are asking doctors to kill them. These aren't death penalties. These are requests for euthanasia by the people who would be euthanized.
Euthanasia erodes respect for life and the concept of equality of all people, because it says that its OK to murder certain types of people, the suicidal, the disabled, the terminally ill.
I'm a disabled American and always have been uncomfortable about the message that euthanasia sends about human worth.
We were born of heavenly parents. We grew up in heaven, some of us participated in the war on the side of good, some of us did nothing, neither choosing one side or the other side, and did nothing. Those that chose to follow Satan became devils and were cast out. The rest stayed in heaven until it was their time to be born in this world. Heaven is our starting place....that is why some say "returning home" when these become aware of their impending demise from this world. Why those words "Returning home?" because without knowing it ...these people were speaking the truth, those words came from the depth of their souls. Truth come to us more easily when we are about to die, the voices of the lusts of the flesh become silent one by one and then the still small voice is revealed to us. We started from heaven, came into this world to be tested outside the knowledge and glory of the Father so that we could prove ourselves to GOD. GOD already knew of what we were capable of or not. GOD gave us this school so we would know for ourselves that He is always right and all His commandment and judgment are just for all Eternity. Those who became prophets and holy men in this world was not by chance, or by luck. It was because of their Duty, Valor and Zeal for GOD in heaven. We are born with those qualities or lack of, that we possessed in heaven before coming to this School. Here we are given another chance to change things in us that will advance us in heaven or even lose the little we had. The parable of the Talent is for us. Some come into this world with one, some with two ...it is what we do with those things that determine the kind of servants we are. The stories of the bible are our life stories.
Dan
Locutus...
The other side of the coin...God promised to add days to the righteous. The reason God shortens the days of wicked so that they do not receive torments beyond their capabilities to bear them when they die.
dan
Did you want to drag out their suffering another 110 years?
Should we do that at your request?
What message does it send when the government is given control over a person's life instead of that person deciding for themselves how to live their life?
The government tells people what to do all the time, especially if what people are doing is harmful. People are not autonomous individuals in reality and their behavior has consequences for others. We depend on other people for our basic survival, especially in advanced and developed countries, so it makes sense to consider the consequences of our actions on others even if we feel free to do whatever we want with our own lives.
A simple google search would show that it isn't found just in the Bible. It would seem to be your responsibility to do some background research before claiming that it is only found in the Bible.
If you have to use an arbitrary and personal interpretation that can never be questioned, then you have admitted from the get go that it isn't moral.
Google didn't exist when I first learned the Golden Rule.
I'm not sure I could even read at the time. And I never said it was only found in the Bible. In fact, just prior to entering this thread I started another thread that discussed the fact that many Christian morals are not unique to Christianity. I can cite it if you would like ...
So that's a no? You won't defend your system using this example even though you're allowed the same opportunity to offer your interpretation?
I will clarify a bit what I meant. We would each be allowed an introduction that contains 2 things: The first would be our synopsis of the Amalekite story. For example, in my synopsis I must be allowed that God exists and intended to bring his will to fulfillment through Israel, that Saul was a weak, greedy, and disobedient king, and that the Amalekites had a long history of preying on Israel. The second would be a statement on morality - in my case a statement of what I interpret as the basis for God's actions.
Is it moral to use the power of government to tell people which god they can or can not believe in? Is it moral to put people in jail for what they say?
Is it moral just because the government says so?
Isn't God in the end just a word?It seems to me the problem of evil is a real problem, and it is my main barrier to faith. I just have trouble believing in a benevolent creator that cares about people- I see no evidence for it in this world. There is gross unfairness and suffering in the world and I don't believe Christians can account for it.
I grant that I could be wrong, that somehow there is a God in charge of it all and its just like the Christian God and is beyond my understanding. But it would be pretty cruel for such a being to hold honest doubts against me, given the quality of evidence he's left.
And honestly, if it is the case that God exists and he has such a mysterious plan, what does that say about Christian epistemology? How could we take any religious authority seriously if God's will is so inscrutable? It seems to me much more skepticism of religious claims are warranted, regardless of whether or not the Christian God exists.
Where did you get that based on what I said?
I said there's consequences to our actions: a culture of death that accepts death as a cure for illness and disability.
If you had actually done the research required to determine which morals are unique, you would already know that the Golden Rule is found in other religions and religious texts.
Interesting. Most of the unbelievers I speak to claim Christianity doesn't have any unique moral principles.
You said that I wasn't allowed to use my interpretation.
No, I'd rather those kids have a good, healthy and long life.
Oh we'd all like to have Heavenly health coverage. No sickness, no disease, no cancer.
You only get that in Heaven. That's what those children have now.
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