That's irrelevant. If you believe that God can do anything and are aware of mass calamities, then by default you at minimum hold an implicit belief that God doesn't love everyone.
You cannot claim someone is something, and then when they say the opposite you say it is irrelevant. You were the one who claimed implicitness for the sake of your arguments.
And, you have the incredibly flawed ideology that because someone doesn't do something it means they do not love the object, or that they are impotent in that fashion. That is incredibly unfair.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if God were loving, then he would want to stop the tornado from ripping through Joplin.
This is because you have a myopic view on life, really. You think life should be without calamity - even for the purposes of teaching and/or viewing ALL of God's attributes (including wrath, justice, mercy, faithfulness, redemption, and salvation.) You cant even understand it is mathematically
catastrophic to purge every single unfavorable result, and in general prevents actual learning.
You want a utopia; what did you do to
earn a world with no calamity?
And if he were capable of preventing the tornado from ripping through Joplin, then he would have no reason to not stop it if he loved everyone.
The butterfly effect is a basic explanation of mathematical chaos. If you manipulate initial conditions of a chaotic system, you dramatically affect the results. This is where you hear about a butterfly flapping it's wings causes a typhoon in Japan.
Stopping a tornado in Joplin will just delay the inevitable, or transfer the calamity somewhere else. Where do you think the energy of the adiabatic action of quickly converting an ultra-low pressure system (tornado) into an extremely high pressure system (no tornado)? A vacuum? No, somewhere else: the energy will be conserved, but transferred into something just as, if not more dramatic.
But since the tornado did rip through Joplin, we know with 100% certainty that at the time of the tornado that an all-loving & all-powerful god didn't exist.
Oh stop it. People had enough faith and reverence for God in Joplin to thank Him for everything they still had -
not implicate Him in a divine conspiracy of hate for His creation because they weren't saved from a TORNADO. Do you know how many people get brutally raped, tortured, broken down - all types of horrible things? Many of them do not blame God for what humans did.
Really? Can I transport myself to Jupiter if I put my mind to it?
That is the human meme, yes.
And, yes you can i bet if you actually put your mind to it, and didnt scoff at the idea.
From what you're saying I can.
You can. How about you start with fixing problems on Earth so you can stop blaming the God that created you for all of the bad, scary things in the world.
If it's a mentality, then it's a false mentality.
It is false to you because chip on your shoulder is so big it is blinding you. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't think anything is possible unless a spiritual Daddy is holding your hand, and protecting you from every single danger in the world.
If God knows everything, then he would know what would happen if he stopped the train.
Exactly. Why do you think your thread has you so heated? You just can't reconcile why He would do that because it doesn't match your morality and feelings. You ignored the second clause: that He allowed Joplin, Fukishima, Chile, Sumatra, Egypt, sin... happened because
He knew what would happened if He purged, intervened or allowed events to naturally occur. He knows better than you. This is what you are failing to grasp: things happen for a reason... the mathematics alone entail no coincidences. Even chaos is ordered.
If something worse will happen if he stops the train, then if he's all-powerful, then he can stop the worse thing as well - which is precisely what a loving person would do.
That is what an immature, love struck teenager who sees no further than his/her nose would do. Because, s/he is not thinking about the absolute best possible outcome, s/he is only thinking about what will alleviate emotional and physical pain. Someone that considers all, and judges according to what would be best for all is a mature person.
Whether I'm working on emotions or not is irrelevant.
It is very much so relevant because emotions cloud judgment, and blind intellect. You clearly have a lot of emotions towards God, and what He allows. You cant be logical when you are thinking emotionally. The two are mutually exclusive most all times, but especially with spiritual beings and their happenings. That is why TRUTH vs FEELINGS is a commonly taught lesson in the bible.
What's relevant is that it's logically impossible for an all-powerful and all-loving God to exist in the presence of mass calamities.
That is not at all true. Again, you are being very myopic for a human, let alone a God. Omnipotence does not necessitate one use all of his or her power all of the time. It means you are all powerful. Part of OMNISCIENCE is knowing when to use that power.
You are talking about magic(k,) which comes with a "price" because it is not a natural progression of events.
How do you know I have an option of life after? And if I were given that option, what makes you think I would reject it?
You already reject everything that is fundamental about the One that would provide you with an afterlife. So, that alone would lead me to believe you would reject a favorable afterlife with the Most High. I don't even think you will know who God is, and what Heaven is for that matter with the mentality you have been showing.
Afterlife is, again, all but scientifically proven. Mathematically and physically, we can see energy resonance, transference, and reverberation - a literal transfer of energy. NDEs in highly monitored situations have shown majority memory retention of the room, people and events around them
while they were in an induced coma, or brain/heart dead.
As far as whether or not you will actually see it - we all see an afterlife, that is a matter of faith (like the faith you have that your next breath is coming to you.) I can't say where you will end up, though.
