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No. It was future for the 1st century Jews prior to 70ad.
Futurists are implying that Jesus was a False Prophet by putting Matt 24:6 2000yrs or more in the future instead of 1st century.
It is Futurists interpretation of Scriptures that keep the Jews blinded to this very day and perhaps even for another 2000yrs.
Matt 24:6 is talking about the 7 yrs Jewish Wars starting in 66AD [Jewish Rebels takeover Jerusalem and Masada]
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars
Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Mark 13:7
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Luke 21:9
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>
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Ezekiel and Hosea mention it:
Eze 20:38 - “I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
Hos 5:2 - The rebels are knee-deep in slaughter. I will discipline all of them.
This verse in Dan 8 could also be talking about the 1st century Jewish Rebels?
Dan 8:23 - “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive
VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR
Including The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A MILITARY POINT OF VIEW
POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline
CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR
Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
Masada 73AD
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BABerean - you ask this question often, but I'm not grasping what you're getting at? What point are you attempting to make with this? You presented this as an argument to what CL posted - but your commentary agrees with what she posted. So I'm confused.
I'd rather not (nor can I right now). Can you just summarize the points made in the video?If you watch the video by Dr. Kelly Varner it should make sense.
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Once Stephen was stoned - Jesus' followers were purged from Jerusalem - spreading the Gospel throughout all of the "world" (the Roman kingdom).
Are you saying that because, as preterists, we don't believe that modern Israelites (no matter their allegiance to God or not) are God's "chosen people"? Is that anti-Semitism?I listened to a video on Preterism and it was very convincing, but when you read prophecy, Preterism leaves too many unanswered points. I can understand how some could be partial Preterists, but not full Presterism. But the danger seems to be anti-Semitism.
Are you saying that because, as preterists, we don't believe that modern Israelites (no matter their allegiance to God or not) are God's "chosen people"? Is that anti-Semitism?
I believe God loves ALL of His creation - and is "willing that none should perish" and that He leaves the 99 to go after the lost one. So I'm not sure how that is hateful to not believe in favoritism.
mkgal1 said: ↑
Are you saying that because, as preterists, we don't believe that modern Israelites (no matter their allegiance to God or not) are God's "chosen people"? Is that anti-Semitism?
I believe God loves ALL of His creation - and is "willing that none should perish" and that He leaves the 99 to go after the lost one. So I'm not sure how that is hateful to not believe in favoritism.
Replacement Theology that believes that there will be no future redemption for Israel, to me is anti-Semitism.
Are all Anglicans Preterist?
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
No. It was future for the 1st century Jews prior to 70ad.
Futurists are implying that Jesus was a False Prophet by putting Matt 24:6 2000yrs or more in the future instead of 1st century.
Yes, a lot of Dispy Futurists play the anti-semitism card against Preterists and Amills.I listened to a video on Preterism and it was very convincing, but when you read prophecy, Preterism leaves too many unanswered points. I can understand how some could be partial Preterists, but not full Presterism. But the danger seems to be anti-Semitism.
Yes, a lot of Dispy Futurists play the anti-semitism card against Preterists and Amills. I have noting against Jews and their religion of OC Mosaic Judaism.
I view 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation 18, why would that make me anti-semitic?
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.
"Replacement theology" or "supersessionism" is the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
John Hagee and others who oppose "replacement theology" are rank false teachers whom apostle Paul condemns as "fallen from grace, severed from Christ". (Gal 4:10; 5:4; Rom 7:1-7; Jer 31:31 + Heb 8:6-13)
DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMENTIC
The vast majority of churches believe and teach "replacement theology". Churches that oppose "replacement theology" including John Hagee, are in the minority. Those who believe in Replacement Theology love the state of Israel and are among her strongest supporters! Just because we do not feel modern Israel is any more special in the eyes of God than Canada or the USA, we defend and support the only democracy in the Middle east and consider Israel our primary ally in the world of Islamic Nuclear Jihad and terrorism. We believe that Israel was granted legal title to the historic promised land through the Balfour Declaration (1917) and the League of Nations "Mandate for Palestine" of December 1922. We believe that "Palestinians" is a fictitious title for a "people" that never existed in history, except for the nation from which it owes its origin: Philistines (ie. Goliath) who are a long extinct nation. We do not believe Israel is an occupier or "Apartheid State". We are neither "far-left" or "progressive" and condemn "Israel Apartheid Week" as a delusional pack of lies. We do not believe Israel is a "cursed nation". We oppose those who boycott Israel and prefer Israeli made products over anything made in Muslim countries because of their high quality. In fact, we admire and applaud how well Israel treats those in Gaza and the West Bank, given the number of terrorist attacks Muslims launch upon the peace loving, hard-working civilian Jewish population. We reject the "two state solution" of Dividing Israel up into a militarily indefensible nation because the Koran is the problem. Those living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip already have the "two state solution" provided for in the "Mandate for Palestine"… the entire nation of "Jordan"! SO DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMETIC. It makes you look dumb and uninformed. Like all Christians we believe all Jews, Muslims and unbelievers are lost until they believe Jesus rose from the dead, repented and are immersed in water for the remission of their sins… and by the way, Jesus was a Jew NOT a Palestinian. Jesus was born a Jew and lived as a Jew, keeping the Law of Moses perfect and sinless. IT ANGERS US THAT JEWS REFUSE TO ACTUALLY READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. But we still love Israel and support her as a democratic nation!
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Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
Millennialism:
- Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.
- Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
- Amillennialism: "no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age.
Yes, a lot of Dispy Futurists play the anti-semitism card against Preterists and Amills.
I have noting against Jews and their religion of OC Mosaic Judaism tho some futurists believe they will incur the wrath of God in the future....Member "keras" for one........
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.
"Replacement theology" or "supersessionism" is the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
John Hagee and others who oppose "replacement theology" are rank false teachers whom apostle Paul condemns as "fallen from grace, severed from Christ". (Gal 4:10; 5:4; Rom 7:1-7; Jer 31:31 + Heb 8:6-13)
DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMENTIC
The vast majority of churches believe and teach "replacement theology". Churches that oppose "replacement theology" including John Hagee, are in the minority. Those who believe in Replacement Theology love the state of Israel and are among her strongest supporters! Just because we do not feel modern Israel is any more special in the eyes of God than Canada or the USA, we defend and support the only democracy in the Middle east and consider Israel our primary ally in the world of Islamic Nuclear Jihad and terrorism. We believe that Israel was granted legal title to the historic promised land through the Balfour Declaration (1917) and the League of Nations "Mandate for Palestine" of December 1922. We believe that "Palestinians" is a fictitious title for a "people" that never existed in history, except for the nation from which it owes its origin: Philistines (ie. Goliath) who are a long extinct nation. We do not believe Israel is an occupier or "Apartheid State". We are neither "far-left" or "progressive" and condemn "Israel Apartheid Week" as a delusional pack of lies. We do not believe Israel is a "cursed nation". We oppose those who boycott Israel and prefer Israeli made products over anything made in Muslim countries because of their high quality. In fact, we admire and applaud how well Israel treats those in Gaza and the West Bank, given the number of terrorist attacks Muslims launch upon the peace loving, hard-working civilian Jewish population. We reject the "two state solution" of Dividing Israel up into a militarily indefensible nation because the Koran is the problem. Those living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip already have the "two state solution" provided for in the "Mandate for Palestine"… the entire nation of "Jordan"! SO DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMETIC. It makes you look dumb and uninformed. Like all Christians we believe all Jews, Muslims and unbelievers are lost until they believe Jesus rose from the dead, repented and are immersed in water for the remission of their sins… and by the way, Jesus was a Jew NOT a Palestinian. Jesus was born a Jew and lived as a Jew, keeping the Law of Moses perfect and sinless. IT ANGERS US THAT JEWS REFUSE TO ACTUALLY READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. But we still love Israel and support her as a democratic nation!
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Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
Millennialism:
- Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.
- Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
- Amillennialism: "no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age.
He came in Judgement against Apostate 1 century Jerusalem as prophecied.Matthew 24 is about more than the destruction of the temple. It is also about the second coming. Did Jesus come in 70 AD and we all missed it?
It is Preterists and Amills who are in the minority.....the narrow correct pathI don't mind being in the minority. I prefer the narrow path to the wide road anyway. It is also why I'm not a denominationalist.
Which part isn't true - all of what I'd posted?Sorry, but that's just not true. And Dan. 9:27 is not the time of Jesus. He's already been cut off/crucified. Consider the fact that Paul was still "Saul" when Stephen was stoned in Jerusalem. Read Acts 15. That council was held in Jerusalem, and Paul and Barnabas were there. The headquarters for the Church was in Jerusalem.
We don't believe in *replacement* - but continuation. The early church (the faithful remnant) was Jewish - and I believe that's important to recognize.Replacement Theology that believes that there will be no future redemption for Israel, to me is anti-Semitism.
Are all Anglicans Preterist?
He came in Judgement against Apostate 1 century Jerusalem as prophecied.
Read Josephus............
I have 2 threads up on Matt 24:6 in conjunction with the 1st century Jewish Wars......
Matt 24:6..The Jewish Wars in 1st century...Up to 70ad and Masada
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS 1ST CENTURY JEWISH WARS ISRAEL, JUDEA AND JERUSALEM
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
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I just found this on google search and is an interesting view of the Jewish Wars being a fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse:
The Coming of Christ in A.D. 70-Like You’ve Never Heard it Before! - Revelation Revolution
The Coming of Christ in A.D. 70–Like You’ve Never Heard it Before!
The Parousia during the Jewish War and the Death of the Beast: The Bible is full of Types and Multiple Fulfillments. The “Second Coming” is No Exception. The Various Appearances of Christ during the Jewish War and at the Death of the Beast exemplify seemingly all the Various Ways in which God Appeared to People in the Old and New Testaments. The Coming of Christ in A.D. 70 is a Perfect Reflection of How God had Come on the Clouds in Judgment on a Wayward Nation in the Past.
It is Preterists and Amills who are in the minority.....the narrow correct path
Which part isn't true - all of what I'd posted?
Please present your timeline of the 70 weeks, then.
I realize Paul was still "Saul" when Stephen was stoned in Jerusalem (and I've read Acts 15 quite a few times). I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing that up. How does that information contradict what I'd posted? I didn't mean that Jerusalem was left vacant of Jewish followers of Jesus in 34 A.D. - just that there was a scattering out of Jerusalem and taking the Gospel to other areas within the Roman empire at that time due to the increased persecution. I shouldn't have used the word "purged" because that does imply an emptying.
Acts 8:1 ~ Saul was in full agreement with Stephen's murder. At that time, the church in Jerusalem began to be subjected to vicious harassment. Everyone - except the apostles - was scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria.
We don't believe in *replacement* - but continuation. The early church (the faithful remnant) was Jewish - and I believe that's important to recognize.
Redemption was for everyone. God only has/had ONE plan for redemption for all in Christ.
ALL Christians - actually - are "preterist" because we ALL believe in Jesus as the promised Messiah (and that's fulfillment of Scripture). There are different degrees of preterism (full being heterodox as it denies a physical resurrection). So - in answer to your question - yes, all Anglicans are preterist.
Replacement Theology that believes that there will be no future redemption for Israel, to me is anti-Semitism.
Who is replacing the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16?
Who is replacing the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?
Who is replacing the word "remnant" in Romans 9:27, with the word "all"?
Who is attempting to change the "manner" of salvation in Romans 11:26, into the "timing" of salvation?
Who is replacing the "son" who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, with those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone"?
Those who often use the term "Replacement Theology" against others, are often the one most guilty of the offense in the scripture above.
The time for taking the Gospel to all races of people is now.
1Ti_1:4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
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I am not a RC. I don't know what their view of Amill or Preterism is......If they view 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation 18, then we share that in common....Amills are not in the minority. Catholics are Amill, and the largest denomination. There are billions.
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