The Pope has been cowardly (Matt Walsh interview)

[chevyontheriver]

But we don't have trials. The Vatican retains control and is its own legal entity. There are no public trials. That is why this case is so spectacularly anomalous.

But there ARE trials. All the time. A person who does a crime in this country is subject to the laws of this country. The Vatican is it's own legal entity but it's priests and bishops do not have diplomatic immunity.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

But there ARE trials. All the time. A person who does a crime in this country is subject to the laws of this country. The Vatican is it's own legal entity but it's priests and bishops do not have diplomatic immunity.

Only recently, and even then, only occasionally. Before then, it was always covered up and the priest moved to new crops of victims. I can count on a hand the number of trials that got any coverage. It only went public because of the Boston Globe report.

From Wiki: Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

In 2001, the Vatican first required that sex abuse cases be reported to the Rome hierarchy; before that, it left management of the cases to local dioceses.[12] After the 2002 revelation by the Boston Globe that cases of abuse were widespread in the Church in Massachusetts and elsewhere, The Dallas Morning News did a year-long investigation.[2] It reported in 2004 that even after these revelations and public outcry, the institutional church had moved allegedly abusive priests out of the countries where they had been accused but assigned them again to "settings that bring them into contact with children, despite church claims to the contrary".[2] Among the investigation's findings was that nearly half of 200 cases "involved clergy who tried to elude law enforcement."[2]

Church authorities are often accused of covering up cases of sex abuse. In many cases, as discussed in the sections on different countries, clergy discovered by Church authorities to be criminally offending are not reported to civil authorities such as the police. They are often merely moved from one diocese to another, usually without any warning to the authorities or the congregations at the destination. While offending clergy could be subject to action such as defrocking, this is rare; the intention of the Church until recent times has been to avoid publicity and scandal at all costs.

In some cases offenders may confess their wrongdoing to a priest under the Sacrament of Penance. Church canon law unconditionally prohibits a priest hearing such a confession from making any disclosure about the existence or content of the confession to anybody, including Church and civil authorities—the "Seal of the Confessional". This obligation is taken very seriously throughout the Catholic Church....

The cases:
In 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston also settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.[144]

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million.[145]

In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims.[146]

In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[122][147]

In September 2007 the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[148]

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[149]

The Associated Press estimated that the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 to be more than $2 billion.[122] According to BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[53][119]


That's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Only recently, and even then, only occasionally. Before then, it was always covered up and the priest moved to new crops of victims. I can count on a hand the number of trials that got any coverage. It only went public because of the Boston Globe report.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I can remember cases in daycare, in public schools, in families, in protestant congregations, in Catholic churches from way back. And unquestionably a lot was hidden away, public school teachers were moved, protestant pastors took different positions, daycares quietly closed, people moved and some relations didn't talk with other relations. It was the norm. It was wrong, but it was the norm. Your congregation, if it has a long enough history, probably has something to hide and of course they would deny that they ever hid anything. Just ask. It will be an uncommonly honest protestant pastor who would air any dirty laundry ever. The absence of an admission is different than innocence.

We in the Catholic Church are finally seeing what happened. We are seeing just how it happened now too. The affair of now ex-cardinal McCarrick has revealed the depravity of it in full detail. What we know now is that there was homosexual grooming going on, of adolescent boys and of young men. We now know that many abusers act like a mafia, promoting and protecting each other. We've seen the evidence that Communists infiltrated seminaries beginning in the 1920's. We're mad and we're not going to allow this to continue.

Yes, things became more obvious in 2002. But the whole truth was still hidden. The seminary connection was not obvious, with bureaucrats weeding out good candidates, with staff debauching seminarians, with seminaries becoming hothouses for homosexuality. Many seminaries have been cleaned up at the initiative of pope John Paul II, but not all by any means.

Another thing was cleverly hidden, particularly by calling it 'pedophilia'. That is sex with very young children. But the lion's share is among adolescents, and four of five of those are boys. It wasn't pedophilia at all. It was homosexual grooming. Something not politically correct to acknowledge. Thus the almost total news blackout about that little fact.

Last, our bishops put in new rules after 2002, but they failed to apply the new rules to themselves. Clever little oversight. Now we see that some bishops have not only covered up but are also abusers in their own right. That's the big part of what is going to get cleaned up this time. The whole good old boy's network of promoting and protecting and passing the boys around using the institutional Church as cover.

Do find out where your own icebergs are before it becomes front page news but pray hard for us as we clean up our own mess. Pray for the victims even more. We already have less in new allegations than in very old allegations where the offending priest is already dead. But we also have deeply embedded abusers in high places now who are protecting each other. In the old days something would be covered up due to the shame involved by otherwise decent bishops. New cover-ups seem to me to be bishops actively protecting their homosexual networks.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I can remember cases in daycare, in public schools, in families, in protestant congregations, in Catholic churches from way back. And unquestionably a lot was hidden away, public school teachers were moved, protestant pastors took different positions, daycares quietly closed, people moved and some relations didn't talk with other relations. It was the norm. It was wrong, but it was the norm. Your congregation, if it has a long enough history, probably has something to hide and of course they would deny that they ever hid anything. Just ask. It will be an uncommonly honest protestant pastor who would air any dirty laundry ever. The absence of an admission is different than innocence.

We in the Catholic Church are finally seeing what happened. We are seeing just how it happened now too. The affair of now ex-cardinal McCarrick has revealed the depravity of it in full detail. What we know now is that there was homosexual grooming going on, of adolescent boys and of young men. We now know that many abusers act like a mafia, promoting and protecting each other. We've seen the evidence that Communists infiltrated seminaries beginning in the 1920's. We're mad and we're not going to allow this to continue.

Yes, things became more obvious in 2002. But the whole truth was still hidden. The seminary connection was not obvious, with bureaucrats weeding out good candidates, with staff debauching seminarians, with seminaries becoming hothouses for homosexuality. Many seminaries have been cleaned up at the initiative of pope John Paul II, but not all by any means.

Another thing was cleverly hidden, particularly by calling it 'pedophilia'. That is sex with very young children. But the lion's share is among adolescents, and four of five of those are boys. It wasn't pedophilia at all. It was homosexual grooming. Something not politically correct to acknowledge. Thus the almost total news blackout about that little fact.

Last, our bishops put in new rules after 2002, but they failed to apply the new rules to themselves. Clever little oversight. Now we see that some bishops have not only covered up but are also abusers in their own right. That's the big part of what is going to get cleaned up this time. The whole good old boy's network of promoting and protecting and passing the boys around using the institutional Church as cover.

Do find out where your own icebergs are before it becomes front page news but pray hard for us as we clean up our own mess. Pray for the victims even more. We already have less in new allegations than in very old allegations where the offending priest is already dead. But we also have deeply embedded abusers in high places now who are protecting each other. In the old days something would be covered up due to the shame involved by otherwise decent bishops. New cover-ups seem to me to be bishops actively protecting their homosexual networks.

There was some pedophilia, but you are mostly right about that. Loads of victims were at or near puberty.

Well, my church is fairly new so none of that business, nor do I know of a single incident in any church or business I used (never used daycare...just don't know). This whole "it was the norm" thing is completely NOT my experience, and I've been around awhile. No events have ever come to light where I grew up, thank God. But I do know someone who was in Seminary back in the day and though he was untouched, many of his peers were not. They interviewed many of them in recent years and it was shocking.

I pray for the Church universal, against whom the gates of hell will not prevail. I care very little about the denominational labels under which Christ is blasphemed - only that it be cleaned up. A cleansing is coming and is happening. They had better out themselves and repent and not worry about their little coverups. Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord; I shall repay.

 

[Alithis]

Many of the allegations against priests are nothing but a witchhunt? Are you kidding me?

Number of Priests Accused of Sexually Abusing Children As Reported by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Compiled by BishopAccountability.org from reports commissioned by the USCCB, Updated April 11, 2011

This is just what the RCC will admit, and only for the United States.

So you can imagine, with the systemic coverup and moving molesters to new crops of victims over decades, how much is simply excised from public scrutiny.

"As of May 30, 2017, the USCCB has counted 18,565 victims who are known to the bishops in the period 1950 through June 30, 2016. Many more survivors have yet to come forward. In 1993, the late Fr. Andrew Greeley estimated that 2,500 priests (fewer than half the USCCB's current total) might have molested "well in excess of 100,000" children in the United States."


And worldwide:

Timeline: Catholic Church's sex abuse scandals - CNN

Huge numbers of cases have come forth in Australia, Dominican Republic, The Netherlands, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland, and Brazil. Each molester seems to have dozens or even hundreds of victims. So you do the math.

ALL of these people - or "many" as you say - are simply making it up?

 

[Alithis]

Only recently, and even then, only occasionally. Before then, it was always covered up and the priest moved to new crops of victims. I can count on a hand the number of trials that got any coverage. It only went public because of the Boston Globe report.

From Wiki: Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

In 2001, the Vatican first required that sex abuse cases be reported to the Rome hierarchy; before that, it left management of the cases to local dioceses.[12] After the 2002 revelation by the Boston Globe that cases of abuse were widespread in the Church in Massachusetts and elsewhere, The Dallas Morning News did a year-long investigation.[2] It reported in 2004 that even after these revelations and public outcry, the institutional church had moved allegedly abusive priests out of the countries where they had been accused but assigned them again to "settings that bring them into contact with children, despite church claims to the contrary".[2] Among the investigation's findings was that nearly half of 200 cases "involved clergy who tried to elude law enforcement."[2]

Church authorities are often accused of covering up cases of sex abuse. In many cases, as discussed in the sections on different countries, clergy discovered by Church authorities to be criminally offending are not reported to civil authorities such as the police. They are often merely moved from one diocese to another, usually without any warning to the authorities or the congregations at the destination. While offending clergy could be subject to action such as defrocking, this is rare; the intention of the Church until recent times has been to avoid publicity and scandal at all costs.

In some cases offenders may confess their wrongdoing to a priest under the Sacrament of Penance. Church canon law unconditionally prohibits a priest hearing such a confession from making any disclosure about the existence or content of the confession to anybody, including Church and civil authorities—the "Seal of the Confessional". This obligation is taken very seriously throughout the Catholic Church....

The cases:
In 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston also settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.[144]

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million.[145]

In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims.[146]

In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[122][147]

In September 2007 the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[148]

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[149]

The Associated Press estimated that the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 to be more than $2 billion.[122] According to BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[53][119]


That's just the tip of the iceberg.

the sadest thing in all this topic is the complete submersion in deception that the rcc adheranns wont repent of.
The Lord JESUS said "a little leven" levens the whole lump,
this is not about a little leven,this is about the entire building bursting out the windows with the most despicable of all sins,the abuse of the innocent.

staying in it by choice is akin to
choosing to live in and support leven.