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kinda agree with this statement myselfMany believe the "sword of the spirit, word of God" is the bible. I think it's also the Holy Spirit working within us and through us.
So God had no point in creating everything as he did? What about his "eternal plan"?God didn't prove a point. The universe exists because it is the will of God that all exists and that all things are summed up in His only-begotten Son.
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the love that we cannot produce apart from God. God's love pours into us through the Holy Spirit and (if we allow it by putting our fleshly mind aside) pours out of us toward others. Sacrificing our (selves) for others the way Jesus did. But I don't believe our flesh mind is able to truly do that apart from the Holy Spirit and our willingness to obey.What do you feel is the relationship between the indwelling Holy Spirit and Godly type Love in us?
Agree^The glory of the Son being the Father's main purpose in creation.
But isn't "manifesting" his glory (ancient-hebrew concrete meaning "battle armaments"), proving a point in and of itself? Making his glory known through the ages, and in particular, at the cross and resurrection, defeating death?God showing forth his glory (e.g., in his wisdom) is not proving a point, it is manifesting his glory.
I would agree with your sentiments for the most part, but it's more a giving of himself. God's a "sharer". Haven't you heard the saying "sharing is caring"? That's God's love I believe.God's everlasting love and giving Himself away.
What does the text say? (wild animal) Possessed by The Satan most likely.You don't think the serpent is satan?
I agree with that.Many believe the "sword of the spirit, word of God" is the bible. I think it's also the Holy Spirit working within us and through us.
Never heard that take on it^What does the text say? (wild animal) Possessed by The Satan most likely.
Yes. The consequences put the serpent on its belly. Seems like leg removal to me.Never heard that take on it^
So you think the serpent was like a lizard or something that got possessed by satan? I guess that would explain why it could talk lol
I like that verse,yet I see error in it. Paul should have said, bearing in mind our situation may be different to theirs 2000 years ago, "For our wrestling is not ONLY against....."; it is flesh and blood that constitutes the bog hole wherein the wrestle occurs and it is the bog of flesh and blood that consumes all the energy expended in the wrestle.Click the link in post #30 and have a read.
Agree^
But isn't "manifesting" his glory (ancient-hebrew concrete meaning "battle armaments"), proving a point in and of itself? Making his glory known through the ages, and in particular, at the cross and resurrection, defeating death?
manifest
adjective
Clearly apparent to the sight or understanding; obvious. synonym: apparent.
When you say "Word of God" are you referring to an English translation of the Bible?
If so, how did Jesus confirm it? (the KJV dates to 1611)
Jesus is "the Word of God" that became flesh.
Certainly a spiritual force controlling/influencing the serpent.Or an angel of light, appearing that is as if an angel of light, appeared and talked with her.
Here's the text. Make of it what you will.The devil if doing so,
but the translation serpent, snake, might be 'wrong' and was never have been an animal -
the devil is called a serpent by some, a snake by others, but not an animal.
The devil appears as if an angel of light,
which is something obviously that can and does talk, and deceive.
How did you arrive at that conclusion?You should already know Scripture well enough, given all your posts and history and so on,
to know that
we are not supposed to nor allowed to make of it what you will.
Is that yet another claim you can't substantiate?Jesus said that Scripture is not open to private interpretation. Private interpretation has led to many many false ideas, "claiming" to be from Scripture, but thinking after the way of man, and not of God.
The way I see the verse personally, is to remind us that no matter what flesh-and-blood person comes against us - we are essentially in a fight with the "powers that be". Even if the spiritual enemy uses a person individually, we are still in a fight with that enemy and not the person. I think this is why Jesus speaks of forgiveness so often."For our wrestling is not ONLY against....."; it is flesh and blood
Well the hebrew only gives the title "satan" (adversary) to anything that's in opposition to God. And "Ha-Satan" (the adversary) to "the devil". Greek mythology was used in the NT quite often, even by the apostles, but I believe because of the times they were in, they often spoke symbolically to convey a message.Where translators render "devil" in verse 11, the Greek means "false accuser"; they should have said false accuser instead of infusing Pagan concept into scripture.
Spot on.The way I see the verse personally, is to remind us that no matter what flesh-and-blood person comes against us - we are essentially in a fight with the "powers that be". Even if the spiritual enemy uses a person individually, we are still in a fight with that enemy and not the person. I think this is why Jesus speaks of forgiveness so often.
Well, go back to the OP where I quote what the original hebrew meaning of "glory".So what point/fact do you think he is proving?
What do we see as the general theme throughout scripture? What are God's overwhelming attributes?What is God's "glory"?
"In Exodus 16:7 we read "and in the morning you shall see the glory of the LORD" (RSV). What is the "glory" of YHWH? First we must recognize that the "glory" is something that will be seen. Secondly, the word "glory" is an abstract word. If we look at how this word is paralleled with other words in poetical passages of the Bible, we can discover the original concrete meaning of this word. In Psalm 3:3 the kavod of Elohiym (God) is paralleled with his "shield" and in Job 29:20, Job's kavod is paralleled with his "bow." In Psalm 24:8 we read "who is this king of the kavod, YHWH is strong and mighty, YHWH is mighty in battle." The original concrete meaning of kavod is battle armaments. The meaning "armament" fits with the literal meaning of the root of kavod, which is "heavy," and armaments are the heavy weapons and defenses of battle. In the Exodus 16:7, Israel will "see" the "armament" of YHWH, the one who has done battle for them with the Egyptians." SOURCE
The devil is also called the "dragon" in revelation. If the serpent of the garden was literal, it wouldn't re-grow legs (and also wings) by the end times. I think the imagery of a reptile was used because they're cold-blooded animals.The devil if doing so,
but the translation serpent, snake, might be 'wrong' and was never have been an animal -
the devil is called a serpent by some, a snake by others, but not an animal.
The devil appears as if an angel of light,
which is something obviously that can and does talk, and deceive.
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