The Pinnacle of Evolution

[Subduction Zone]

I do not know, I will let you know when I read his argument in the book. If I find any degree of credibility to his claim you will be the first to know. Because this is an argument from a skeptic for skeptics.

I doubt if the author is actually a skeptic. Sort of like the man that claimed he was an atheist or skeptic until he tried to prove that Jesus did not exist. When he failed he supposedly became a Christian. Of course no skeptic that could think logically would undertake such a task. A failure to prove that Jesus did not exist would not prove anything. Instead if one tries to find evidence that Jesus did exist one may have true reasons to doubt the New Testament.

There are people that believe that everything is a miracle and there are people that believe nothing is a miracles. Often it is the people in their ivory towers that have very little experience in the real world that do not believe in miracles. Those of us that actually have to function in the real world knows that miracles are very much a real part of life. That is why people come to us for help because they know that we know how to get things done.

I am sorry, but this statement only shows your lack of understanding of science and scientists, and people in general. The reason that educated people doubt the existence of miracles is because there is almost always a logical explanation to matters. The less one knows the more likely that an event will seem miraculous to one.

IF a very sick person is comforted then what difference does it make how rational it is. My dad was very big on the power of suggestion. It did not matter to him if God exists or not. What matters is that the patient was comforted. Even he use to claim the power of suggestion was so strong that he could do surgery without any anesthesia. Only it took to long so he just gave them a shot so he could get on with what he was doing. Fast and quick and easy. But he still know the old fashion way of doing medicine before all the modern drugs came out.

A doctors main concern is the comfort of his patients. If a false belief makes them feel better then I can see why he would not object to it. But I would bet that he was not in favor of false beliefs that led to harm. For example the parents of children in some rather extreme forms of Christianity believe that they can "pray the disease away". They reject modern medicine for their children. At times courts step in and sometimes the courts are too late.As long as a belief does no harm I do not see to much wrong with it either.

He could hypnotise a whole audience and he often did. He hypnotised my whole school once. I went around and talked to as many people as I could to ask them if they were hypnotised or not and they ALL said they were. That was how he built his practice up so big back then. Everyone in the whole town, the whole community knew our family back then.

Perhaps they were, perhaps they weren't. Just because someone says that he was hypnotized is not enough evidence to believe that he was. I have my doubts that there were not some level headed people in the audience that did not fall for his attempts. This sort of claim needs a lot more evidence than you have presented to be believable.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Perhaps they were, perhaps they weren't. Just because someone says that he was hypnotized is not enough evidence to believe that he was. I have my doubts that there were not some level headed people in the audience that did not fall for his attempts. This sort of claim needs a lot more evidence than you have presented to be believable.

His belief was that pastors hypnotized people in the church.

I doubt if the author is actually a skeptic.

His name is Ralph Muncaster. He is of the opinion that IF you can falsify evolution then that would prove that creationism is true. He does try to build on the idea of random chance verses design.

 

[bhsmte]

His belief was that pastors hypnotized people in the church.

His name is Ralph Muncaster. He is of the opinion that IF you can falsify evolution then that would prove that creationism is true.

Ole ralphy can scientifically falsify evolution whenever he wants, no one is stopping him.

Good luck with that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Ole ralphy can scientifically falsify evolution whenever he wants, no one is stopping him. Good luck with that.

The whole point is that there are people that actually build things in the real world. We know what we can build and we know fake when we see it. We know what was created on a drafting board and what is just a pretty picture that will never exist in the real world. If you want to convince people that evolution is real then that is going to require more then comic book artwork.

 

[Subduction Zone]

His belief was that pastors hypnotized people in the church.

It didn't work with me.

His name is Ralph Muncaster. He is of the opinion that IF you can falsify evolution then that would prove that creationism is true. He does try to build on the idea of random chance verses design.

Then he is not much of a skeptic. Also evolution is not random. I will look into his background I am sure that there are incompetent skeptics. No matter what filed one looks into incompetence can be found.

ETA: I had to shift computers because I could not see the video that you linked on the old computer that I was using. I can see that Ralph lied when he claimed to be a skeptic. He is proposing a completely moronic argument against evolution as I type. Because he won't let himself understand evolution he is claiming that it could not have happened. That sadly only makes him terribly ignorant. If you fell for any of his arguments I can tell you what is wrong with them.

 

[bhsmte]

The whole point is that there are people that actually build things in the real world. We know what we can build and we know fake when we see it. We know what was created on a drafting board and what is just a pretty picture that will never exist in the real world. If you want to convince people that evolution is real then that is going to require more then comic book artwork.

150 years and the theory has only gotten stronger. Prove it fake, no one is stopping you.

I thought you previously stated, you agreed with francis collins? With his robust agreement with the TOE, it appears you disagree with him.

 

[Hoghead1]

His belief was that pastors hypnotized people in the church.

His name is Ralph Muncaster. He is of the opinion that IF you can falsify evolution then that would prove that creationism is true. He does try to build on the idea of random chance verses design.

I checked this guy out. He looks real phony to me. He claims he is "Dr." but I find no information where he did his graduate work. One site says he has a doctorate in business administration. Great credential for dealing with evolution and the Bible. Also, I find he runs a California real-estate agency.
His above claim is totally bogus. The advance of knowledge always goes foreword, not backwards. If science moved beyond evolution as we now know it, it would definitely not go back to the natural theology of the time of Darwin. Once an idea is discarded in science, it stays discarded.
Also, the notion that pastors hypnotize people is totally off the wall.

 

[Hoghead1]

The whole point is that there are people that actually build things in the real world. We know what we can build and we know fake when we see it. We know what was created on a drafting board and what is just a pretty picture that will never exist in the real world. If you want to convince people that evolution is real then that is going to require more then comic book artwork.

If you want to convince people that creation-science is real, then you are going to need far more than the bogus testimony of phonies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I checked this guy out. He looks real phony to me. He claims he is "Dr." but I find no information where he did his graduate work. One site says he has a doctorate in business administration. Great credential for dealing with evolution and the Bible. Also, I find he runs a California real-estate agency.
His above claim is totally bogus. The advance of knowledge always goes foreword, not backwards. If science moved beyond evolution as we now know it, it would definitely not go back to the natural theology of the time of Darwin. Once an idea is discarded in science, it stays discarded.
Also, the notion that pastors hypnotize people is totally off the wall.

He supposedly has a BS in engineering too. Not nearly enough to give his statements any credibility. I listened to the video for a while but there were two many misrepresentations of the theory of evolution and too many cases of quote mining for me to continue. He is not an honest man, he was never a skeptic. Sadly he is just another liar for Jesus. When he hit at least ten untruths I stopped.

 

[Hoghead1]

I doubt if the author is actually a skeptic. Sort of like the man that claimed he was an atheist or skeptic until he tried to prove that Jesus did not exist. When he failed he supposedly became a Christian. Of course no skeptic that could think logically would undertake such a task. A failure to prove that Jesus did not exist would not prove anything. Instead if one tries to find evidence that Jesus did exist one may have true reasons to doubt the New Testament.




I am sorry, but this statement only shows your lack of understanding of science and scientists, and people in general. The reason that educated people doubt the existence of miracles is because there is almost always a logical explanation to matters. The less one knows the more likely that an event will seem miraculous to one.

I doubt if he is anything but a con-artist real-estate salesman.



A doctors main concern is the comfort of his patients. If a false belief makes them feel better then I can see why he would not object to it. But I would bet that he was not in favor of false beliefs that led to harm. For example the parents of children in some rather extreme forms of Christianity believe that they can "pray the disease away". They reject modern medicine for their children. At times courts step in and sometimes the courts are too late.As long as a belief does no harm I do not see to much wrong with it either.



Perhaps they were, perhaps they weren't. Just because someone says that he was hypnotized is not enough evidence to believe that he was. I have my doubts that there were not some level headed people in the audience that did not fall for his attempts. This sort of claim needs a lot more evidence than you have presented to be believable.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you want to convince people that creation-science is real, then you are going to need far more than the bogus testimony of phonies.

You missed the point I was trying to make, but that is ok, there is nothing new about that.

 

[Hoghead1]

I do not know, I will let you know when I read his argument in the book. If I find any degree of credibility to his claim you will be the first to know. Because this is an argument from a skeptic for skeptics.



There are people that believe that everything is a miracle and there are people that believe nothing is a miracles. Often it is the people in their ivory towers that have very little experience in the real world that do not believe in miracles. Those of us that actually have to function in the real world knows that miracles are very much a real part of life. That is why people come to us for help because they know that we know how to get things done.

IF a very sick person is comforted then what difference does it make how rational it is. My dad was very big on the power of suggestion. It did not matter to him if God exists or not. What matters is that the patient was comforted. Even he use to claim the power of suggestion was so strong that he could do surgery without any anesthesia. Only it took to long so he just gave them a shot so he could get on with what he was doing. Fast and quick and easy. But he still know the old fashion way of doing medicine before all the modern drugs came out.

He could hypnotise a whole audience and he often did. He hypnotised my whole school once. I went around and talked to as many people as I could to ask them if they were hypnotised or not and they ALL said they were. That was how he built his practice up so big back then. Everyone in the whole town, the whole community knew our family back then.

Well, it sure is too bad, then, that most other surgeons, and psychotherapists, find that hypnotism is unreliable and really doesn't work. Maybe you dad or that school hypnotist should set up a major school for all these doctors, so that they learn the secret of how to do it properly. It sure would save on anesthetics. Also, prior to anesthetics, they did not use hypnotism. During the Civil War, for example, they simply gave you a big slug of whisky, which the doctor also shared, held you down, and sawed aware, scream as you may.

 

[joshua 1 9]

He claims he is "Dr." but I find no information where he did his graduate work.

Mr. Muncaster holds a BS in engineering and an MBA from the University of Colorado

http://www.bibleone.net/print_SF1.html

 

[Hoghead1]

I do not call them lukewarm God does and I do not say they are "hellbound" I say that they do not represent God. They do not speak for God they have rejected their Priesthood. They can still be saved because salvation is not based on works. Many are called few are chosen means that they reject God, God does not reject them He calls them but they do not accept their calling.

others.
But you are in no position to sit in judgment on the spirituality of others.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I thought you previously stated, you agreed with francis collins? With his robust agreement with the TOE, it appears you disagree with him.

It really does not matter to me. I can argue for or against evolution theory. But the nature of this board is more people want to defend the theory so it just works out better for me to argue against the theory.

 

[Hoghead1]

This is the third time I have said this now. I have read the entire Bible at least 5 times. I do not ignore anything. I esp pay attention to the genealogies that so many people skip over and do not read. What difference does it make what they claim. I am telling you that you need the Holy Spirit of God to guide you and lead you and teach you. Ignore the kooks and fanatics. That is the whole point of what I am saying is not to be lead by man.

I don't care how many times you say you have read the Bible. That is totally irrelevant. My point is that in your posts, especially the one on the flat earth, you have demonstrated to me that you have not carefully paid attention to the biblical texts.

 

[Hoghead1]

You missed the point I was trying to make, but that is ok, there is nothing new about that.

Well, that makes tow of us. I think you missed my point as well.

 

[Hoghead1]

Mr. Muncaster holds a BS in engineering and an MBA from the University of Colorado

http://www.bibleone.net/print_SF1.html

That does not explain why he calls himself "Dr." Also, none of those degrees qualify one in theology, biblical studies, or the study of evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

It really does not matter to me. I can argue for or against evolution theory. But the nature of this board is more people want to defend the theory so it just works out better for me to argue against the theory.

What????

I guess evidence plays no part.

 

[Hoghead1]

It really does not matter to me. I can argue for or against evolution theory. But the nature of this board is more people want to defend the theory so it just works out better for me to argue against the theory.

So you really don't care and aren't serious about rejecting evolution. That's kind of hypocritical, I think.