The Pinnacle of Evolution

[StanJ]

Evolution is not a study of any sort, and you said that evolution was the study of natural laws. You were misusing a word, so I was correcting you on its definition. I also provided the word for the study of natural laws, which is physics. As a response to the quoted reply, evolution is not based on natural laws. Nothing is. Natural laws are based on consistent patterns and properties of matter and the like, and everything that exists ( Physical or conceptual ) adheres to these patterns and properties. Another thing; I can say that any religion or belief is "just a man made fairy tale", but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. You need evidence to back up your claim. I have evidence to back up evolution, available at your request. You should have evidence to disprove evolution if you're claiming that it is in fact "a man made fairy tale".

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Rom 1:20

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. Col 1:16

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. 1 Tim 1:17

By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. Heb 11:27

 

[Cearbhall]

Even Kent Hovind who went to jail for 10 years for his beliefs, believes in Evolution.

His beliefs that tax laws don't apply to him, maybe...

 

[StanJ]

Don't you see, you are with your statement doing exactly what I did. In your mind, what you said is a fact and not an opinion. In my mind, what I said is a fact and not an opinion. Neither of us are going to make any progress if we do not provide evidence for why what we are saying is true.

The evidence happened 2000 years ago when Jesus died on the cross. It's all the evidence I need, it's all the evidence anybody needs, if they're really looking for evidence.

 

[StanJ]

Can you prove that those statements are true without faith?

I wouldn't know. I have faith.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wouldn't know. I have faith.

But faith is the worst, most unreliable reason to believe anything. You might as well have admitted that you are wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not disagree with Collins in any substantial way. If they want to teach his understanding of Theistic Evolution in the school system that would be fine with me.

Theism in public schools? Sure, in religious class, not in science class.

Somehow, I think Collin's himself, would have a strong opinion about teaching science, in science class.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Theism in public schools? Sure, in religious class, not in science class.

How can you teach about Creation without talking about the Creator? God is a part of everything. It is in Him that we live and breath and have out being. If it were not for God I would not even be alive and we would not be having this conversation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

But faith is the worst, most unreliable reason to believe anything. You might as well have admitted that you are wrong.

Most of Science is based on HUMAN faith and as Christians we have God's Divine Faith which is far better then human faith. Also we have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God which is far superior then having the thoughts of man.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Most of Science is based on HUMAN faith and as Christians we have God's Divine Faith which is far better then human faith. Also we have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God which is far superior then having the thoughts of man.

This just shows a total lacking of understanding of how science is done. Faith is not allowed in science. Ideas are tested and retested constantly. Faith is the antithesis of science, it is evidence based.

 

[joshua 1 9]

This just shows a total lacking of understanding of how science is done.

At least you are willing to admit that you do not understand "how science is done".

 

[Subduction Zone]

At least you are willing to admit that you do not understand "how science is done".

Please, this is dishonest. People are trying to help you here. When you make a rather ignorant remark and it is politely corrected with no name calling the proper thing to do is to thank the person helping you. It is not polite or correct to make your mistake even worse.

 

[bhsmte]

How can you teach about Creation without talking about the Creator? God is a part of everything. It is in Him that we live and breath and have out being. If it were not for God I would not even be alive and we would not be having this conversation.

Well, as soon as you can demonstrate in a scientific way, God is a part of everything, keep it in religious class.

 

[bhsmte]

Most of Science is based on HUMAN faith and as Christians we have God's Divine Faith which is far better then human faith. Also we have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God which is far superior then having the thoughts of man.

Absolutely, hilarious!!!

And, textbook projection.

 

[bhsmte]

Please, this is dishonest. People are trying to help you here. When you make a rather ignorant remark and it is politely corrected with no name calling the proper thing to do is to thank the person helping you. It is not polite or correct to make your mistake even worse.

Well, what you describe is standard operating procedure for the poster in question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Please, this is dishonest.

We have been over this many, many, many times. People are guilty of what they accuse others of. God does not give it to us to judge people. God does not give you the ability to judge people. You can only judge yourself and project that out on others.

 

[StanJ]

If that's good enough for you, then fine. I won't say you can't do that. However, you're trying to convince me, not yourself and I don't think that someone dying on a cross is evidence enough to support your claim that God made procreation to perpetuate life as we know it.

I'm not trying to convince you I'm witnessing about what God has done and is in my life. That's a reality whether you accept it or reject it. Jesus died willingly for our sins and if you don't accept that then you'll never accept all the other truth that he taught about His Father while he was here.

 

[StanJ]

So you're saying that you have faith, and you can therefore not prove to someone who does not share your faith that your beliefs are true. Well, I'll assume those statements are false until proven otherwise then.

If all you believe is what your eyes tell you and what's your brain acknowledges then you can not understand Faith, even though you probably use it every day, just not in the spiritual sense. I'm sure you know the old saying about those that assume?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We have been over this many, many, many times. People are guilty of what they accuse others of. God does not give it to us to judge people. God does not give you the ability to judge people. You can only judge yourself and project that out on others.

Not necessarily. If I claim that someone is dishonest I can show it. If you think that I am dishonest you are welcome to try to show any evidence for that. And until you give some evidence for that you have nothing. Meanwhile let me kindly explain that when an explanation is included for a post and someone edits that explanation out that is not honest.

 

[StanJ]

Make an ass out of you and me. I know the saying. But in what ways do I use faith ( again, belief without proof ) every day?

You've been using it for so long that you're not even aware that you're using it. You may have learned why over the years but you didn't start out knowing did you? To the Christian, faith is our instinct.

 

[StanJ]

So if I had never drank alcohol in my life, and I accused someone I know of being an alcoholic, would that make me an alcoholic as well?

That's a red herring and you know it. Do atheists take courses on this?