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Well, for starters all I hear is you screaming from the dugout. "absurd analogy to evolution theory."

.....I've noticed that's all you do...and never really do get up an bat.

What is asserted without evidence, can be dissmissed without evidence.

I note that you didn't share your probability calculations to demonstrate the statements you made.
 
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What is asserted without evidence, can be dissmissed without evidence.

More yelling from the dugout?

Anyway, this is a representation of a microtubule...
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...The microtubule has the ability to form between to points in a cell.
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which acts pretty much like a bridge allowing motor proteins
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to walk across it.
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...The feet of a motor protein are such that they chemically react with the microtubal and through a MULTI step chemical process cause it to walk from point "A" to point "B"
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. The purpose is for the delivery of a "package" to a precise location in a cell.
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......and this is the short story....Now, do tell us how such a system as this could have evolved?
 
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More yelling from the dugout?

Anyway, this is a representation of a microtubule...
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...The microtubule has the ability to form between to points in a cell.
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which acts pretty much like a bridge allowing motor proteins
images
to walk across it.
images
...The feet of a motor protein are such that they chemically react with the microtubal and through a MULTI step chemical process cause it to walk from point "A" to point "B"
images
. The purpose is for the delivery of a "package" to a precise location in a cell.
images
......and this is the short story....Now, do tell us how such a system as this could have evolved?


You made a claim about certain things being impossible.
Please demonstrate those claims. Please share the probability calculation.
Don't try to make me do your own homework.

You made claims, I challenged them.
Either live up to the challenge or retract your claims.

For the sake of discussion... I'll go ahead and say that I don't know how such things evolved.

Now, please demonstrate your claim that it is impossible to evolve.
 
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You made a claim about certain things being impossible.
Please demonstrate those claims. Please share the probability calculation.
Don't try to make me do your own homework.

You made claims, I challenged them.
Either live up to the challenge or retract your claims.

For the sake of discussion... I'll go ahead and say that I don't know how such things evolved.

Now, please demonstrate your claim that it is impossible to evolve.

You don't really seem to get it...and still resort to yelling out of the dugout.
What I presented above was a small slice of that process you claim evolved through a process that contained random chance.

Do you know what goes into making the organelle in the post I presented? I'm thinking you don't due to your reply above "I don't know how such things evolved."

On the other hand, I claim the process above could not have evolved...being impossible...and you claim it is possible. When will you ...or any other evo...show us how such a process can evolve? When will you realize it was intelligently designed?
 
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You don't really seem to get it...and still resort to yelling out of the dugout.
What I presented above was a small slice of that process you claim evolved through a process that contained random chance.

Do you know what goes into making the organelle in the post I presented? I'm thinking you don't due to your reply above "I don't know how such things evolved."

On the other hand, I claim the process above could not have evolved...being impossible...and you claim it is possible. When will you ...or any other evo...show us how such a process can evolve? When will you realize it was intelligently designed?
Well, it sure seems your posts contain a lot of yelling from the dugout as well. I find it interesting how you, an untrained lay person, manage to know so far more about it than all these scientists.
 
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You don't really seem to get it

I get that you are making claims and assertions, and refuse to actually substantiate them.

...and still resort to yelling out of the dugout.

I'm not yelling. I'm merely challenging your claims.

What I presented above was a small slice of that process you claim evolved through a process that contained random chance.

I didn't make any claims.
In fact, I said that for the sake of the point at hand, I'll go ahead and say that I don't know how certain features developed.
And I wasn't even lying. I'ld have to go look it up.

YOU are the one that made a claim. I responded to that claim.
You claimed that a certain thing was "impossible".
I'm asking you to support that claim. Can you?

Do you know what goes into making the organelle in the post I presented? I'm thinking you don't due to your reply above "I don't know how such things evolved."

It doesn't matter what I know or don't know.
You made a claim and I'm asking you to support that claim.
Can you?

On the other hand, I claim the process above could not have evolved...being impossible...and you claim it is possible.

No.

Rather, you claimed that it was impossible - yes.
I'm asking you to support that claim.
Can you?

When will you ...or any other evo...show us how such a process can evolve?

When will you support the claim you made?

When will you realize it was intelligently designed?

When will you support your claim that it was?
 
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Have you got a better word?
Biological structure, molecule with properties that allow for movement or for chemical reactions that cause either itself or another molecule to change... my terminology varies by case.
 
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The video show sophisticated complexity on the celluar lever...so complex no process of random mutations could develop.
Nah, you have to understand, modern cells have already gone through more than 3 billion years of evolution. During that time, cells have become extremely specialized in their components. In evolution, structures develop from ones that already exist, changing/expanding/narrowing/improving functionality over generations. Hence why our gastrointestinal tract and our respiratory tract share an orifice; the function of a structure that already existed expanded to have more functions. The same applies to organelles and other cell structures.

Then again I'm not an atheist and don't have the faith required to believe the organelle in the videos evolved.
Organelles is the plural, and we have observed significant change in some of their functions in bacterial evolution. You act as if there aren't organism currently existing that don't have these structures, and that we have never observed such populations developing them. You'd be wrong.
 
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molecule with properties that allow for movement or for chemical reactions that cause either itself or another molecule to change....

Given the choice between the single word "machine," and a complete sentence, I suspect most people will stick with the former.
 
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Well, it sure seems your posts contain a lot of yelling from the dugout as well. I find it interesting how you, an untrained lay person, manage to know so far more about it than all these scientists.

Considering your refusal to watch a quick video...your post doesn't weigh much.
 
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Nah, you have to understand, modern cells have already gone through more than 3 billion years of evolution. During that time, cells have become extremely specialized in their components. In evolution, structures develop from ones that already exist, changing/expanding/narrowing/improving functionality over generations. Hence why our gastrointestinal tract and our respiratory tract share an orifice; the function of a structure that already existed expanded to have more functions. The same applies to organelles and other cell structures.


Organelles is the plural, and we have observed significant change in some of their functions in bacterial evolution. You act as if there aren't organism currently existing that don't have these structures, and that we have never observed such populations developing them. You'd be wrong.

All you have done is tried to backward engineer a process you believe happened....Bascially, guessed. Then present your nonsense as a reply to my post. Keeping in mind you never did address the issue presented.
 
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Considering your refusal to watch a quick video...your post doesn't weigh much.
No, I don't watch videos. I am here to talk to you, not them. If you can't put it in your own words, then I suspect you really don't know what you are talking about. Also, I've had a more than substantial background in this material. I doubt your video is going to tell me anything I didn't already know.
 
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No, I don't watch videos. I am here to talk to you, not them. If you can't put it in your own words, then I suspect you really don't know what you are talking about. Also, I've had a more than substantial background in this material. I doubt your video is going to tell me anything I didn't already know.

The hostile ad-hom relies continue "I suspect you really don't know what you are talking about." Is this where your at? What you have been reduced to?
 
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The hostile ad-hom relies continue "I suspect you really don't know what you are talking about." Is this where your at? What you have been reduced to?

This is part of the smoke screen you are using to avoid answering straight forward questions.

Where are your probability calculations demonstrating that these features could not evolve? You have been asked several times for these calculations, and you have yet to produce them. Are we to conclude that you were making up this claim?
 
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Anyway, this is a representation of a microtubule...
images
...The microtubule has the ability to form between to points in a cell.
images
which acts pretty much like a bridge allowing motor proteins
images
to walk across it.
images
...The feet of a motor protein are such that they chemically react with the microtubal and through a MULTI step chemical process cause it to walk from point "A" to point "B"
images
. The purpose is for the delivery of a "package" to a precise location in a cell.
images
......and this is the short story....Now, do tell us how such a system as this could have evolved?
 
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Anyway, this is a representation of a microtubule...
images
...The microtubule has the ability to form between to points in a cell.
images
which acts pretty much like a bridge allowing motor proteins
images
to walk across it.
images
...The feet of a motor protein are such that they chemically react with the microtubal and through a MULTI step chemical process cause it to walk from point "A" to point "B"
images
. The purpose is for the delivery of a "package" to a precise location in a cell.
images
......and this is the short story....Now, do tell us how such a system as this could have evolved?

We arent responsible for your education. Im sure there are biology 101 courses available if you look for them!

Good luck.
 
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