The physical descendants of the acient nation of Israel.
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There is no logical connection between Paul's meaning in 9:24 and 'the times of the Gentiles.' Doug lazily said "because" and had no business doing so.
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So we are back to #116 the question #1 for BW: in his own words, could he please connect 9:24 and 9:25-29 as Paul does, with the same meaning. Instead BW calls this exercise a "game."
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The answer is beacuse God was fed up and blinded them. Don't think that for one second when the times of the Gentiles a fulfilled that Jews are going to all believe because the passage doesn't say that!
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People do realize that ANY Israelite can be saved today by the gospel of God's Son.. correct?
And would therefore become a member of the body of Christ.. right?
I mean, it's not like a Jew can't be saved today.. right?
And would therefore become a member of the body of Christ.. right?
I mean, it's not like a Jew can't be saved today.. right?
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Is that because you see things in terms of whole ethnos groups at a time? It's not done that way. It never was. That is what Rom 9A is saying. God's word has not failed--not because "promises" are all fufilled as they appear in the OT, but because it never was about whole racial/ethnos groups at a time. It was only about those who have faith, from all over the earth.
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Simply because we know that Israel IS blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. although this doesn't mean that any Jew cannot be saved by the gospel..
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That's right, they can. The blindness is only partial. That's one other piece of information that steers us away from whole groups at a time.
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And of course their partial blindness if temporary.. Until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
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No one even hinted at such thinking!
It's YOU who don't realize there's an earthly Israel and an "Israel of God" which includes Jews and Gentiles...BUT...you'll find that out.
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The only problem Eb is that there is not one scripture which affirms what you just wrote.
And you'll eventually find that out.
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And yet there is scripture which PLAINLY declares that IN CHRIST there is NEITHER Jew or Gentile..
But Eb doesn't worry about that... we're all Jews... super spiritual Jews.. and the real Israel over there in the midst of its enemies is just pretend Israel.
But Eb doesn't worry about that... we're all Jews... super spiritual Jews.. and the real Israel over there in the midst of its enemies is just pretend Israel.
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Sure there is OT. The only definition of the Israel of God in Gal 6 is that they don't prejudge people based on circumcision. It is ethical in the new Christian sense, like much of Mt 5. That's totally different from having a modern state of Israel passport.
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Instead of being annoying, why don't you look at the text, and the context and see if you can improve on it.
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I like the Israel of God being those Israelites who are justified by faith.. just as the church of God is justified by faith..
Not that difficult imo.. and so I don't think I'll go with your pretertwist definition. Is that ok?
Not that difficult imo.. and so I don't think I'll go with your pretertwist definition. Is that ok?
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Yes, because that is part of what justification means in Galatians. It means that neither circ nor non-circ is anything but rather the new creation of those people who are in Christ. This has nothing to do with any of todays theology systems, and futurism would be equally irrelevant.
That same group of people demarked by this name are the ones who recieve Abraham's promise, which is justification and the Spirit of God for the mission of God through that message. 3:14. On that there would be friction with futurism which is 2P2P and no where in the NT.
That same group of people demarked by this name are the ones who recieve Abraham's promise, which is justification and the Spirit of God for the mission of God through that message. 3:14. On that there would be friction with futurism which is 2P2P and no where in the NT.
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