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The only soil that was speaking of one being really saved though was the last one, where there was many times returns from it!Why didn't Jesus just say that then? He SAID they "believed". The fact that their faith didn't last doesn't make it a "false belief" as you opine. So your "example" is nothing but a construct.
How do you explain the plain FACT that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th soils ALL produced a plant from the seed (God's word)?
Taking your theory to it's logical conclusion, a "false belief" should NOT have even produced a plant.
Just because a plant has no root doesn't mean the plant is a "false plant". In fact, that is absurd.
The FACT that plants were produced PROVES new life from the seed. You can't get around that.
Really? Who was Paul addressing; unbelievers who needed salvation, or already saved people for a specific reason?
So you're going to argue that a faith that doesn't express itself "through love" is somehow a false faith?
I think you're skating on very thin ice here. If that were true, then EVERY verse that speaks of salvation or eternal life being dependent upon faith SHOULD HAVE and WOULD HAVE included this extra condition: expressing itself through love.
You have no evidence for your theory.
Well, what you mean is still in error. Believing is believing.
No, God doesn't change our character. We CONTINUE TO DEAL with our sin nature, with all it's pimples, etc. Including our character flaws. iow, we continue to sin.
The Christian life can only be lived in the power of the Holy Spirit. So it's NOT our own character that is changed. Living the Christian life is evidence of living the character of Christ, through the Spirit. Gal 5:22,23 are the character qualities of Christ that are produced in the believer who is filled with the Spirit.
Those believers who, instead of being filled with the Spirit, grieve or quench the Spirit, fulfill the lusts of their flesh, per Gal 5:16 - So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
And this is the list that Paul includes with what he is referring to:
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Here are the character qualitites of Christ that are produced when we walk by the Spirit (being filled with the Spirit):
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Still not reading the verse correctly. The condition for producing a harvest of righteousness" is DIRECTLY RELATED to "being trained by it (God's discipline). And I already explained that NOT everyone who undergoes discipline is trained by it. Some become resentful, etc. Just like children being disciplined by parents.
It's all dependent upon being in fellowship with the Lord and being filled with the Spirit.
I suspect that you cannot explain how to achieve either of these things.
No, He doesn't turn us into robots or puppets. We are changed WHEN we are in fellowship, and filled with the Spirit. We live and act like unbelievers (both moral or immoral) WHEN we are out of fellowship and grieving/quenching the Spirit.
So, can you explain how one gets into fellowship with the Lord, and is filled with the Spirit?
Hint: it isn't automatic, nor is it mystical. There are verses that plainly address this.
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