The Pepsi Co Boycot

[MikeK]

I'm also against using medicines, like vaccinations, which were developed using fetal cell lines.

...and also, I presume, medicines or medical practices which were tested on slaves, prisoners or other persons without their consent, yes?

 

[AMDG]

Very first thing I saw them selling on the gardensalive.com was a chemical Insect Spray

Don't know what you saw, but unlike the Ortho sprays which *are* chemical, the enviromentally friendly ones at Gardens Alive! are made from pyrotheins which come from marigolds. They do not have harmful (to people) sprays. I can (if I wanted) use their sprays right up until harvest. (And if I had a larger garden/orchard, I probably would end up using the beneficial insects they also sell.

As for some people not being able to grow things. I know. I really list myself in that group. My grandfather, my step-father, and even a brother-in-law that lives out this way, produce waaay better gardens than me. (I am, however, pretty good with the apple trees and even the strawberries. Perhaps you might try a particular variety that is rather easy and rather disease resistant. I'd try the "Liberty" variety. It produces a smaller sized apple than you see in grocery store, but it's a pretty disease-free cider apple that tastes pretty good just to eat.

Now back to the topic--aborted fetal lines used other necessary things like medicines or medical procedures. Yes, I would avoid them too.

 

[Assisi]

After reading this thread I asked my husband to go looking. When my children go down for nap/rest time I'll come back and post links to what he found.

None of the products listed are things we eat regularly, but I will join in the boycott.

MikeK I think there is a distinction between medical treatments and consuming products or food. A medical company doesn't really care if done people refuse treatment (vaccs are govt funded here) but if sales drop due to a particular issue a food company may change tack.

That said I think we need to be ethical in our choices all 'round.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Explain how this is "promoting abortion". It was one abortion that took place decades ago, and we're using a by-product of that life for science. The child was not, to my knowledge, killed for the purpose of testing junk food. Additional abortions are not being procured for this purpose.

After reading this post I can imagine women lining up to abort their baby and receive $50 so these companies can continue receiving baby parts.

What is puzzling is that there are alternatives and yet using baby parts seems to be their solution:

“What they don’t tell the public is that they are using HEK 293 – human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce those receptors,” she said. “They could have easily chosen animal, insect, or other morally obtained human cells expressing the G protein for taste receptors.”

More: Company Uses Fetal Cells From Abortions for Testing Artificial Flavors | LifeNews.com

 

[Tigg]

the Icons were made by Christians to honour the martyrs. The flavours for these products were made to make money, at the expense of the children who were killed. It's like using soap that the Nazis made using the people's bodies!

I'm also against using medicines, like vaccinations, which were developed using fetal cell lines.

I quietly sit down beside MoNica. I agree with you...

 

[Michie]

I quietly sit down beside MoNica. I agree with you...

Count me in. I'm certainly not going to argue in favor of this practice used by Pepsico.

 

[tadoflamb]

"The former" is the better of the two....and while abortion is big business, drinking or eating thie junk listed in this thread doesn't make you pro-abortion. It probably will make you fat though.

Quaker Oats is the only one which really hurts me. I don't eat/drink most the other stuff and the little I do would be easy to fore go.

I think it's safest to stick to high alcohol/high dollar beers.

 

[BabyChristian22]

Quaker Oats is the only one which really hurts me. I don't eat/drink most the other stuff and the little I do would be easy to fore go.

I think it's safest to stick to high alcohol/high dollar beers.

If they aren't one and the same, PepsiCo and Anheuser-Busch have a close partnership. Here are the alcoholic products produced by Anheuser-Busch:

Budweiser Family
Bud Light Family
Michelob ULTRA
Shock Top
Michelob Brewing Co.
Belgian Beers
European Beers
Beck’s
Alexander Keith's
Landshark Lager
Goose Island
Margaritaville Brewing Co.
Busch
Natural
Rolling Rock
Bud Ice
Kirin
O’Doul’s
Specialty Beers
Regional Beers
Tilt
Malt Liquors
BACARDI

At least Samuel Adams, my favorite American beer, is not on that list. The tough thing for me is no more family trips to the Busch Gardens theme park.

 

[Azureknight 773]

WHAT THE HELL???!?!?!?!?

This would be a form of cannibalism no better than China's eating-the-fetus diet!
GRAAAAH!!!

Cannibalism in China Acceptable… If For Health

おのれ中国！！！

 

[Catherineanne]

If I could just remind people that this is an unproven allegation, and that the basic principle of law in both the UK and the US is that of innocent until PROVEN guilty.

The allegation remains unproven, and it is rather an overreaction to start listing thousands of foods to be boycotted because of this unproven allegation. Assertion is neither evidence nor proof and all we have is assertion.

If it were to be proven I would be as unhappy as anyone, but I need more information than just an allegation. I notice that the companies concerned derive largely outside the US; is it possible that this is a smear campaign to promote US companies at the expense of foreign competition? I think there is far more to it than we are being told, and that that poor little foetus has not stopped being exploited; formerly for science, and now for economics.

Imagine someone making a very, very serious allegation against someone you love; a family member or perhaps a Bishop or Cardinal. Would you immediately assume it MUST be true, and cut that person out of your life, or would you want incontravertible evidence and not just allegation. You would certainly not want to be complacent, but neither, I think, would you accept unsubstantiated allegation alone. The burden of proof is on those making these allegations, and they must now provide the evidence. If it turns out that they are wrong, then they may well face legal action seeking substantial damages. People simply can't go around spreading this kind of slur without good grounds for doing so.

Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[Dewi Sant]

I understand and agree that this is horrible. I don't see how to get around it, other than the way I do it-I try not to buy processed foods unless it's an emergency. So, I bake my own breads and desserts, make my own corned beef, make my own soft drink (root beer and ginger ale are easy, as is lemon-lime soda...), and I can go on and on. Anything I like that's processed, I try to make my own. And surprisingly, it's not very hard to do. About 18 months ago, I bought a 1 1/2 gallon Coors light draft beer tap, and since I don't drink beer, I used the beer to make bread. When it was empty, I had a perfect container for making soda. Alton Brown has a great ginger ale recipe, and it makes a 2-liter bottle, so multiplying it by 6 makes a gallon and a half. That's a lot of soda. You make a syrup with the ginger and sugar and lemon juice, then mix with water and a bit of yeast, then let it sit for two days. After that, you'll never go to store-bought ginger ale. You can substitute lemon & lime juice to make a good 7-up substitute. So you can control what you put in your bodies.

And surprisingly, it really doesn't take a whole lot of additional time out of a busy schedule. Maybe 45 min to make it, and two days to sit.

For corned beef, you just buy the raw beef and brine it for three weeks.

My one downfall is chips-corn chips, potato chips, etc. But Kettle Chips seem to be less processed than others. But you can make your own.

Not tooting my own horn above, but showing how you can boycot crud like the report and still have things you'll love to eat...

I am quite amazed!

I am a post-graduate student and I cook all my meals in advance, this includes baking the bread, making the pasta, and preparing the sauces.
The only downside is that I am not as financially free as I was during my Bachelor's degree as I do not have the time to garden as well (also it is covered by a permanent layer of frost at the moment). BTW, I conjugate verbs whilst dicing onions...nothing odd about that. I haven't quite got to the level where I am timing foods by Latin prayers, though I imagine it would take 6oz of pasta one Latin rosary to cook al dente.

It may look like I am pretentious by making my own pasta but really, it is so much cheaper, and you can create mint and chilli fettucini...nothing pretentious about that

As for potato chips (crisps), have you considered other vegetables such as beetroot and parsnip? There is a company which produces such crisps and they are excellent. Tyrrells English Crisps — Beetroot, Parsnip & Carrot Crisps with a pinch of Sea Salt

I can't say I am independent from processed foods for any real ethical reason, rather, I prefer home made stuff. Got a bottle of sloe gin in the wardrobe

 

[WarriorAngel]

Well now that would depend on where you get the fruit, was it grown yourself, or did the farm that grew it use any chemicals (other than water) in its production. Were the workers paid a fair wage, was the land allowed to rest according to the biblical laws, ect.

In North America the wages are fair for apple pickers, and though it is slightly above min wage - the government pays for Mexicans to come up and pick them....for the orchards.
It used to be the local workers, but somehow this came into the mix.

A lot of semi retired workers used to do this to supplement their income, or construction guys. Since it is only seasonal.

Anyway - i believe they use insecticides. If they did not bugs would kill the trees and the fruit. I dont really know of truly organic farms. But that aside, i think the chemicals used now are safer.

14 months ago i did a tour. They do wash the apples....but the apples should be peeled imho. Because their washing consists of sitting in water, having then water sprayed over them, and a wax to make them shine because apples are not shiny by nature, then sitting in new water as a rinse. But still, peeling would be best.
The wax is edible.

well at least no aborted babies would be used to grow the fruit, in any case.



wow it's like they own everything....:o

there are some products that seem to be different.. for example, the company that makes cranberry juice that's sold in Costco: I think it's called Kirkland? I hope they're not owned by any company that partners with the flavouring company.

I guess it's goodbye to processed food and snacks sold in stores, lol!

I know, it seems like they have the market. No wonder their prices are all way up there.

Its not a monopoly but darn close.

Must have bought out a whole lot of companies. [Mergers?]

I dont think i want to see the list combo of Pepsi and Coke acquired companies.

I guess we could simply find a link to send them a letter... on how disgusting this is and they should demand other means for research to keep the 54% pro life consumers...buying.

 

[WarriorAngel]

AND FWIW - all the generic companies - could be the sub-par food items owned by them.

For instance - Sulco company a generic company [made up name for this purpose] could be the generic version owned and operated by Pepsi or Coke.

ALL the big companies make the generic versions too. They compete with themselves and still corner the market.

I know this is frequently done. It keeps prices high too.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Has anyone else ever heard of Coke being involved in RU486?
Or what? I thot i heard that....

 

[tadoflamb]

If they aren't one and the same, PepsiCo and Anheuser-Busch have a close partnership. Here are the alcoholic products produced by Anheuser-Busch:

Budweiser Family
Bud Light Family
Michelob ULTRA
Shock Top
Michelob Brewing Co.
Belgian Beers
European Beers
Beck’s
Alexander Keith's
Landshark Lager
Goose Island
Margaritaville Brewing Co.
Busch
Natural
Rolling Rock
Bud Ice
Kirin
O’Doul’s
Specialty Beers
Regional Beers
Tilt
Malt Liquors
BACARDI

At least Samuel Adams, my favorite American beer, is not on that list. The tough thing for me is no more family trips to the Busch Gardens theme park.

I didn't see:

Rogue
O'Dells
Hair of the Dog
Lost Coast
Bridgeport or
North Coast

Brewing companies on there.

I still will have lots of drinks to choose from.

 

[AMDG]

In North America the wages are fair for apple pickers, and though it is slightly above min wage - the government pays for Mexicans to come up and pick them....for the orchards.
It used to be the local workers, but somehow this came into the mix.

Yeah, some of the orchards pay above the minimum wage. There was a story of one paying $9 an hour (a lot more than some of the jobs I have worked). He *claimed* to have advertized but got no takers, so he imported a crew from Venezuela. Story seemed "fishy" to me, but I really didn't follow whether he really did advertize. Just can't believe that Americans are that lazy and wouldn't want to make $9 an hour.

Anyway - i believe they use insecticides. If they did not bugs would kill the trees and the fruit. I dont really know of truly organic farms.

And yes, the big orchards do rely on insecticides. Cheaper that way and less labor intensive. But the smaller orchards (and the home orchards) can get insect free apples through environmental methods. It also depends on the variety. (For instance, I have Gravenstein--a fantastic pie apple, but *very* labor intensive and prone to all sorts of diseases and insects--and the Liberty. My Liberty always give me a bumper crop, but my Gravenstein, not so much. I hear that the big apple orchards also have problems with the Gravenstein so many don't even plant them anymore.

I guess we could simply find a link to send them a letter... on how disgusting this is and they should demand other means for research to keep the 54% pro life consumers...buying.

Think so too, or they'll not really know why their sales have taken a "dive". You know, they probably don't know any better. They are just following "fearful leader" who doesn't care about life and his policies for the country show it.

 

[tadoflamb]

In North America the wages are fair for apple pickers, and though it is slightly above min wage - the government pays for Mexicans to come up and pick them....for the orchards.
It used to be the local workers, but somehow this came into the mix.

When my wife was in grade school in Portland, OR, she would pick berries with a bunch of her school mates. A bus would come pick them up and take them out to the fields.

Today, I think this would be called 'child labor'.

 

[Rebekka]

If they aren't one and the same, PepsiCo and Anheuser-Busch have a close partnership. Here are the alcoholic products produced by Anheuser-Busch:

Belgian Beers
European Beers
Specialty Beers
Regional Beers

That's a bit simplistic don't you think? To suggest that all Belgian and other European beers, and other types of specialty and regional beers are brewed by Anheuser Busch? Geez - it's not as if they own Belgium and the rest of Europe! Ever heard of microbrews? You should try one. The larger a brewery is, the bigger the chance that their beer sucks.

 

[Rebekka]

Anyway - i believe they use insecticides. If they did not bugs would kill the trees and the fruit. I dont really know of truly organic farms.

Trees are pretty sturdy, bugs will not kill them easily. There are truly organic (and even better, biodynamic) farms over here. You can use ladybugs to kill unwanted bugs for example.
Insecticides are contributing to the death of bees (a major problem!), and without bees humans can't eat.

Also, I'd rather eat a worm in my apple (protein) than a poisoned one.

 

[MKJ]

Yeah, some of the orchards pay above the minimum wage. There was a story of one paying $9 an hour (a lot more than some of the jobs I have worked). He *claimed* to have advertized but got no takers, so he imported a crew from Venezuela. Story seemed "fishy" to me, but I really didn't follow whether he really did advertize. Just can't believe that Americans are that lazy and wouldn't want to make $9 an hour.

I think I remember reading this article, or a similar one. The price he suggests he pays is rather disingenuous, because agricultural work like this is not paid by the hour, it is based on production.

So how fast do you have to pick for $9 an hour? Usually a lot more than anyone actually can. Especially the untrained.

Also, because they are temporary jobs in rural areas, it can be very complicated for people to actually take them. Transportation can be a real issue, and it can mean giving up benefits that the worker may not be able to get back. Housing and food costs may be subtracted from the wage, but your family is still in their home that you also must pay for. If you have a family member that needs medical care then giving up coverage while taking a temporary job seems very foolish - especially since injuries are very common in agricultural work.