The Passover.

[1213]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.

I don’t believe they were innocent. But even if they were, God has given life, He has right to decide how long it lasts. There is noting that I could complain about that, if God don’t give eternal life for all.

But I think it is also good to notice, in Biblical point of view, this “life” seems to be the first death that is not even meant to last forever. This is just a short lesson about good and evil. If the children were really innocent, God could have taken them to His place and it is possible that it was better for the children in that case. And I believe it was in any case much worse to the parents than to the children.

 

[mcarmichael]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

Is this a trick question? You're going to explain how you aren't accusing him yourself of "murdering innocent Egyptian children", and we're all going to learn a lesson on Rhetoric?
Out of deference to your great age, however, you may proceed, sir.

 

[rockytopva]

Josephus has preserved a tradition concerning two pillars that were erected in the land of Siriad. He tells us that the children of Seth were the inventors of astronomy, and in order that their inventions might not be lost, and acting “upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of waters, they made two pillars, the one of brick, the other of stone; they inscribed their discoveries upon them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain and exhibit those discoveries to mankind, and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them: Now this remains in the Land of Siriad to this day”

I believe one of the two pillars, awaiting its destruction by fire, is in the land of South-eastern Turkey...

So the whole world, including children and babies, and innocent animals, will be destroyed yet a second time, the next time by fire.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27

This is the ways of planet earth. But instead of we judging God, God will be the one judging us. So on that great judgement day you can bring all the accusations against God that you wish.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

How can you call yourself a Christian if you don't believe in the God of Scripture? How dare you create your own 'God' from the New Testament and think that the 'God' from the Old Testament is some evil, capricious deity... How dare you mock God. Please repent. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[christopher mccarthy]

Perhaps this will help. You are correct. God is a God of love. But there is a priority that take infinite precedence over that. That is His Holiness. Holiness, which will not tolerate sin. Just because God takes away life doesn't mean he's happy about it. God disciplines those he loves.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Perhaps this will help. You are correct. God is a God of love. But there is a priority that take infinite precedence over that. That is His Holiness. Holiness, which will not tolerate sin. Just because God takes away life doesn't mean he's happy about it. God disciplines those he loves.

I think 'The Holiness of God' by R.C. Sproul would be a good introduction to the holiness of God.

 

[GingerBeer]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

Be very careful about deriving your personal morality from what is written Exodus.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Perhaps this will help. You are correct. God is a God of love. But there is a priority that take infinite precedence over that. That is His Holiness. Holiness, which will not tolerate sin. Just because God takes away life doesn't mean he's happy about it. God disciplines those he loves.

Almost...

God doesn't suspend his love to work in his holiness, nor does he suspend his holiness to operate in love. This is why he died for our sins, because he has to judge sin. So he made a way from no way.

In the Old Testamnent his love was shown in the blood. "Whenever I see the blood I will Passover you" that applies to everyone, even Israelites that wouldn't have blood would have experienced the death of the first born.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

As for the OP

It is pointless to discuss, they have already confessed they do not believe in scripture so no point in arguing.

That they believe Yahweh is different between the Old and New is idolatry and creating a god in their own image.

 

[dougangel]

I believe that God is a God of love and not the barbaric creature described in the O.T.

You have a very 1 eyed (not balanced) way of looking at things.
The Egyptians enslaved the Israelite's for around 400 years. many of them died to cruelty. All those years of suffering.The Lord heard their cries.
If that's your picture? you don't look like you would last long on hard labour.
Many peoples countries suffered for the decisions of there leaders.
The Pharaoh could of stopped that happening even before the plagues started. Even if he didn't chase the Israelite's he could saved many of his men.

The NT teaches judgement of wicked by God.
You get what you give.
You reap what you sow.

God is a God of judgement, mercy, love, Righteousness, patience. Many things to his character. He chooses when people deserve those things as he is all knowing.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

If that's your picture? you don't look like you would last long on hard labour.

This is completely unnecessary!

 

[Tree of Life]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

If you do not believe, what is there to discuss?

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

If you do not believe, what is there to discuss?

Exactly. If he's going to believe in God, he better believe in the God of the Bible, not the conception of God he gets from the New Testament alone.

 

[dougangel]

This is completely unnecessary!

Well I find describing God as a barbaric creature. Which he must be, according to his view of the old testament
Completely unnecessary and misinformed so there you go. I was just making the point that if he was in the situation of the enslaved Israelite's he might have a different opinion but there you go We all have a opinion.

 

[PeaceB]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock!​

Those words seem rather brutal, do they not?

You also see many other things in Scripture that seem to conflict with our basic sense of what is moral.

I, for one, do not think that a strict "Divine Command Theory" offers a viable solution:

Divine command theory - Wikipedia

Divine command theory (also known as theological voluntarism)[1][2] is a meta-ethical theory which proposes that an action's status as morally good is equivalent to whether it is commanded by God. The theory asserts that what is moral is determined by what God commands, and that for a person to be moral is to follow his commands.​

Simply saying "whatever God commands is good" seems to be a form of moral relativism. If PeaceB were to tell you to rape and murder an infant, then it would be morally evil, but if God were to tell you to rape and murder that very same infant, then it would be a morally good act. I find this type of reasoning to be untenable.

Raping and murdering an infant is evil, and God would never command you to do such a thing because God is good.

So what do we do with the so-called dark passages of the Bible? The bottom line is that at this point they pose a significant problem for Christian moral theology, and the manner in which we interpret Scripture. It is a problem that moral theologians are currently working on, and a few books have been written on the topic within the last few years.

 

[mcarmichael]

Well, according to the Enochian tradition there are four (4) places for the dead.
One for the righteous,
One for the damned,
and then two other places.

According to the Christian tradition, however, this isn't especially relevant.

 

[christopher mccarthy]

This is pointless, I'm outta here.

 

[mcarmichael]

This is pointless, I'm outta here.

Quitter!

 

[GUANO]

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock!
Those words seem rather brutal, do they not?

My translation says "Happy" shall he be... But why is this scripture even controversial? This is a somewhat prophetic poem against Babylon which was fulfilled by another pagan empire... Read in context with the previous verse and chapter as a whole the scripture is actually saying that the Babylonians did exactly that to the Jewish children and they (the Babylonians) would be dealt with similarly by another army which would invade them (which was not Jewish, or Godly). This was partially fulfilled by the Persians, however, it's not recorded that the Persians executed the children of Babylonian nobility as the Babylonians did to the Jews but it was common practice at the time... And still today...

 

[mcarmichael]

My translation says "Happy" shall he be... But why is this scripture even controversial? This is a prophecy against Babylon which was fulfilled by another pagan empire... Read in context with the previous verse and chapter as a whole the scripture is actually saying that the Babylonians did exactly that to the Jewish children and they (the Babylonians) would be dealt with similarly by another army which would invade them (which was not Jewish, or Godly). This was fulfilled by the Persians. Was God happy about it? Did God Himself do it? That's certainly a discussion point.

Go on....