The Passover.

[Kenneth Watwood]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.Can we discuss?

There were no innocent children .
YHWH does whatever He Pleases. (always )
He is Perfect in Righteousness, all His Ways are Judgment, with no iniquity.

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

There were no innocent children .
YHWH does whatever He Pleases. (always )
He is Perfect in Righteousness, all His Ways are Judgment, with no iniquity.

A very unhelpful answer.
Genesis Ch.22.
Abraham heard voices from God telling him to murder Isaac.Would Isaac ever be able to believe that his father was sane and what would they talk about on the way home ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A very unhelpful answer.
Genesis Ch.22.
Abraham heard voices from God telling him to murder Isaac.Would Isaac ever be able to believe that his father was sane and what would they talk about on the way home ?

If you don't want to know the truth,
don't ask questions. (or ask just of unbelievers) -
I did notice from your posts that
you deny Jesus Word,
so I don't know why then you ask to know His Word ?
His Word is contrary to what you posted you believe.

 

[Albion]

There were no innocent children .
YHWH does whatever He Pleases. (always )
He is Perfect in Righteousness, all His Ways are Judgment, with no iniquity.

A very unhelpful answer.

Those propositions are legitimate possibilities, however. So now I suppose that it's your turn to show why they are not valid.

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

If you don't want to know the truth,
don't ask questions. (or ask just of unbelievers) -
I did notice from your posts that
you deny Jesus Word,
so I don't know why then you ask to know His Word ?
His Word is contrary to what you posted you believe.

Can any other members help I can't understand the answers that I am getting.

 

[christopher mccarthy]

The above poster is absolutely correct Sir. The are no innocent people, children or otherwise. UGH, that would include you and I also. That is why we need a Savior. Did you ever tenderize a piece of meat? Pound it into submission. ??...........God sent 6 plagues before that one to try to tenderize the heart of the Egyptian Pharaoh to release his people. People either do the Will of God, or they don't. The ones that do are Blessed. The ones that don't pay a price. It's really not that deep

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Genesis Ch.22.
Abraham heard voices from God telling him to murder Isaac.Would Isaac ever be able to believe that his father was sane and what would they talk about on the way home ?

See, Abraham heard YHWH directly,
and obeyed Him.
Abraham is called the father of faith by YHWH - the whole world Jews and gentiles is blessed through him, by YHWH, as YHWH says.
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The Passover.Exodus Ch.12 As I see this God is being accused of murdering innocent Egyptian children.
I do not believe that God did this.

Yet God Says He did - and
YHWH is not accused of anything.
He did as He said - He always does.
Calling the Truth an accusation of YHWH (or of His children)
is the job of the devil - the accuser.

There were no innocent Egyptian children, nor innocent parents for that matter. Just as there were no innocent people who perished in the flood, the whole world/ men, women and children.
The whole society is wicked, not "good",
not "innocent",
except those saved, redeemed, atoned for , by the blood of Jesus - the elect, born again by the will of the Father in heaven.

This is simple to accept when YHWH is honored and recognized as the Almighty Creator, the One and Only True God, the ONLY ONE who can save anyone's life today;
as All of His Word shows (TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT).

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

The above poster is absolutely correct Sir. The are no innocent people, children or otherwise. UGH, that would include you and I also. That is why we need a Savior. Did you ever tenderize a piece of meat? Pound it into submission. ??...........God sent 6 plagues before that one to try to tenderize the heart of the Egyptian Pharaoh to release his people. People either do the Will of God, or they don't. The ones that do are Blessed. The ones that don't pay a price. It's really not that deep

I believe that God is a God of love and not the barbaric creature described in the O.T.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

not the barbaric creature described in the O.T.

This merely shows a lack of understanding Him, as He is.
Thinking "the way of men", which Jesus rebukes even in the apostles in the New Testament.

No one on earth had anything to offer Him, that He should care about anyone , let alone save them. (Everyone is/ was wicked, despicable, evil and sons of disobedience, subject to the devil; except those set free in Jesus).

He still chose to love man enough to send His Own Son to DIE/ be crucified, in order to save those who turn to Him,
those who call on Him,
those who believe in Him and obey Him,
those who as His Word says, may be becoming His Children ....

 

[christopher mccarthy]

I believe that God is a God of love and not the barbaric creature described in the O.T.

And that's ok. I would only ask you to have the humility to understand that what you believe or dis-believe bears no relevance to what is true or false.

 

[Albion]

I believe that God is a God of love and not the barbaric creature described in the O.T.

So that we all understand each other, are you saying that God really must save everyone from Hitler to St. Francis of Assisi...or else he'd be a hateful, barbaric being?

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

And that's ok. I would only ask you to have the humility to understand that what you believe or dis-believe bears no relevance to what is true or false.

The Bible was written by the ancient Israelites who also claimed that they were inspired by God.They would wouldn't they.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

PASSOVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks be to YHWH forever ! - Christ Crucified - His Own Son... Eternally Echad(One) with the Father,
born a man, amongst an evil and pernicious generation,
to save men -
to PASSOVER our sins ! (just because HE WANTS TO ! ) ...
as
there is no goodness in men that God should save us, anyone...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Bible was written by the ancient Israelites who also claimed that they were inspired by God.They would wouldn't they.

YHWH says it is HIS WORD,
BREATHED by HIM,
though men He Chose, and He Himself Guarded/ Guards His Word,
Always.
And He Himself saves a few, while many perish, by their own choice.

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

So that we all understand each other, are you saying that God really must save everyone from Hitler to St. Francis of Assisi...or else he'd be a hateful, barbaric being?

No God is our Loving Heavenly Father.But the description of Him in the O.T. is a violent barbaric creature.

 

[Albion]

I guess I'm having a little difficulty understanding what the complaint is. Is it that God is unfair? Or that the Bible can't be believed? Or just what. And who's worthy of being saved but isn't?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Perhaps it is a small isolated group that calls YHWH barbaric,
from "man's" way of thinking...
Like some of the cult churches ?

 

[Kenneth Watwood]

I guess I'm having a little difficulty understanding what the complaint is. Is it that God is unfair? Or that the Bible can't be believed? Or just what. And who's worthy of being saved but isn't?

Much of the Bible can't be believed It insults God numerous times,which I call blasphemous.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Much of the Bible can't be believed It insults God numerous times,which I call blasphemous.

To dishonor YHWH by dis-believing His Word due to emotional or rational (man's way of thinking instead of God's)
ways of thinking in error
is a sin as well.
To call something God Spoke as blasphemous is perhaps a fatal sin.