The Passover.

[yeshuaslavejeff]

From 2 Corinthians 10
"But we know these things,
because God has sent His Spirit to tell us,
and His Spirit searches out and shows us all of God's deepest secrets.
No one can really know what anyone else is thinking, or what he is really like, except that person himself. And
no one can know God's thoughts except God's Own Spirit. " (not any of the rest of men in their godless religions)
"And God has actually given us His Spirit (not the world's spirit)
to
tell us about the WONDERFUL FREE GIFTS OF GRACE AND BLESSING
that God has Given us. "

 

[CrystalDragon]

And when God drowned the whole world during the time of Noah there were many innocent children as well weren't there? If anything we should see this as an act of God's mercy by making sure that those children did not grow to be like their parents or elders: God after all has children guarding the entrance to the garden of Eden and covering the Ark of the Covenant (i.e. cherubim).

Going by that logic then wouldn't abortion be an "act of mercy" too since those children wouldn't grow up to possibly be bad?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But if the way of YHWH was developed over time

Who told you it was developed over time ? They lied.

Here is what His Word says, again, over and over and over,
and His Spirit, Himself, His Ruach HaKodesh, and Y'SHUA MESSIAH
always bear witness to the TRUTH of HIS WORD, always without exception:
from 1 Corinthians 2
"This plan (the GOSPEL/GOOD NEWS/of JESUS)

WAS HIDDEN IN FORMER TIMES ,

though IT WAS MADE for our benefit

BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN."

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Going by that logic then wouldn't abortion be an "act of mercy" too since those children wouldn't grow up to possibly be bad?

All murder, everyone who takes a life, their life is required of them.

Nothing in God's Word says unclean children of unclean parents are saved - rather it is written that nothing unclean will ever be in heaven.

 

[CrystalDragon]

This is not the claim the Bible makes for itself.

If the Bible is just a book by men about God, how has it any authority to proclaim truth about God? What makes one man's ideas about God any more true than any other man's ideas about Him? Since none of us can see God directly and speak with Him, how can anyone claim to know Him and be a revealer of His mind and will? If God does not reach out to Man and reveal Himself, He simply cannot be known. What you're doing, then, in declaring that the Bible is not the word of God is reducing the Bible's revelation of God to mere speculation. Why, then, trust any of it at all?

Fortunately, the Bible bears the marks of supernatural revelation. It is not just a "book by men about God." Here's a short list of reasons why:

1. Fulfilled prophecy.
2. Thematic unity.
3. Survivability.
4. Archaeological/historical accuracy.
5. Impact upon cultures and individuals.

Taken together, these aspects of the Bible - and a number of others besides - make a very strong cumulative case for the supernatural superintendency of God over the creation of Scripture. It is not just a book about God written by men, but the very word of God.

Your first sentence, that the Bible makes a claim so it's true, is circular reasoning.

 

[ChristIsSovereign]

Going by that logic then wouldn't abortion be an "act of mercy" too since those children wouldn't grow up to possibly be bad?

I recoiled upon reading that. Do you not value a child's life at all?

 

[CrystalDragon]

I recoiled upon reading that. Do you not value a child's life at all?

I'm NOT saying I think that. AT ALL. I'm saying that the person I was quoting said it was okay that those babies died because they might have grown up to be evil. I was saying that you could use that same horrible twisted logic in support of abortion. Your quote should be more directed at the person I was quoting, not me.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your first sentence, that the Bible makes a claim so it's true, is circular reasoning.

So ?

YHWH says what YHWH says, in SCRIPTURE (THE BIBLE).

YHWH says there is no one else, anywhere, even close to higher than His is - no other authority to swear by, no other authority to believe - they are all deceived (the whole world and all other religions)
by the devil, and by wicked men.

The devil, and wicked men, have no say so in YHWH'S KINGDOM.

There is no neutral, there is no independent authority -

everyone is born slaves of sin, and remain slaves of sin,
and use any excuse to remain slaves of sin,
and use any excuse to keep others as slaves of sin,

unless and until JESUS HIMSELF SAVES THEM, if they call on HIM TO BE HEALED, and TO BE SAVED.

You can believe whoever you want to - idols, men, false gods, humankind/ mankind,
yet they all perish.

YHWH lets everyone choose though - and YHWH says - on judgment day,
let those ones you chose to listen to,
let those ones you chose to keep serving,

on judgment day, call on those ones you chose to believe and serve,
and on judgment day, the day you perish, let those ones come to help you - call on them, and see what they can do for you.

OR
call on JESUS TODAY, and believe HIS WORD is TRUTH, and let JESUS HEAL AND SAVE and GRANT LIFE, YHWH WILLING,
as YHWH SAYS,

as THE BIBLE , totally, SAYS, in complete HARMONY with HIS PLAN and PURPOSE and SALVATION in JESUS.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Who told you it was developed over time ? They lied.

Here is what His Word says, again, over and over and over,
and His Spirit, Himself, His Ruach HaKodesh, and Y'SHUA MESSIAH
always bear witness to the TRUTH of HIS WORD, always without exception:
from 1 Corinthians 2
"This plan (the GOSPEL/GOOD NEWS/of JESUS)

WAS HIDDEN IN FORMER TIMES ,

though IT WAS MADE for our benefit

BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN."

"Who told me that"? History and facts and people who know where the Bible came from and how it developed.

All murder, everyone who takes a life, their life is required of them.

Nothing in God's Word says unclean children of unclean parents are saved - rather it is written that nothing unclean will ever be in heaven.

But supposedly some say that all humans are unclean. So if that's the case God deliberately created us just to deny us heaven and have the only other option be having us thrown in a fiery inferno for all eternity (unless they go to Purgatory).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Who told me that"? History and facts and people who know where the Bible came from and how it developed.

Yes, "traditionally" lies, all lies.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But supposedly some say that all humans are unclean. So if that's the case God deliberately created us just to deny us heaven and have the only other option be having us thrown in a fiery inferno for all eternity (unless they go to Purgatory).

YHWH tells who is unclean,
and YHWH tells us who is clean.

Did you never even open the BIBLE to read this ?

And you will find nothing in the BIBLE about the fairy tale pagan belief of p&rg&t&r&.

 

[SolomonVII]

Going by that logic then wouldn't abortion be an "act of mercy" too since those children wouldn't grow up to possibly be bad?

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
​

Was God acting maybe out of caprice in denying humans eternal life, or maybe out of mercy?

To trust in God is to trust that he had our best interests at heart when he came to that decision.

So is a mother who kills her child acting out selfishness in denying her child life, or mercy?

If mercy, this is a nihilistic mercy that deems the kind of life that the mother has is not worth sharing with another life.
Mercy is the most optimistic of the choices, even if mercy, this is dark.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Yes, "traditionally" lies, all lies.

So you're saying anything that research says about the Bible is a lie? The fact that we do't really know who wrote the Gospels? You trust only that the Bible you have avaliable to you is the written Word of God even though it's been copied and retranslated many many times over the centuries and there's clear evidence it developed over time?

YHWH tells who is unclean,
and YHWH tells us who is clean.

Did you never even open the BIBLE to read this ?

And you will find nothing in the BIBLE about the fairy tale pagan belief of p&rg&t&r&.

Well if you have apparently read the Bible to the point that you know, then could you clarify?

 

[CrystalDragon]

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
​

Was God acting maybe out of caprice in denying humans eternal life, or maybe out of mercy?

To trust in God is to trust that he had our best interests at heart when he came to that decision.

So is a mother who kills her child acting out selfishness in denying her child life, or mercy?

If mercy, this is a nihilistic mercy that deems the kind of life that the mother has is not worth sharing with another life.
Mercy is the most optimistic of the choices, even if mercy, this is dark.

How is it mercy? Why couldn't they have knowledge and live forever? Was it an "ignorance is bliss" thing? Why be ignorant? Why did God not want us to know things? Why couldn't living forever coexist with knowing things?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So you're saying anything that research says about the Bible is a lie?

As you keep posting, yes.
All that you keep posting opposed to JESUS,
contrary to HIS WORD
....
why do you always contradict what JESUS HIMSELF SAYS ?

What research is better and higher and more important to you
than
YHWH'S OWN WORD ?

The whole world opposes YHWH, as He says they do,
and the whole world is condemned, as He says they are.

So why continue with the whole world ?

Instead, YHWH offers TRUTH , the WAY, the ONLY WAY, LIFE,
in JESUS,
in accordance with HIS WORD.

JESUS is the only way of salvation;
JESUS is the only way to the FATHER.

Whatever you believe opposed to HIM, has lead you astray,
and kept you from finding HIS KINGDOM,

exactly as YHWH SAYS in HIS WORD.

 

[CrystalDragon]

As you keep posting, yes.
All that you keep posting opposed to JESUS,
contrary to HIS WORD
....
why do you always contradict what JESUS HIMSELF SAYS ?

What research is better and higher and more important to you
than
YHWH'S OWN WORD ?

The whole world opposes YHWH, as He says they do,
and the whole world is condemned, as He says they are.

So why continue with the whole world ?

Instead, YHWH offers TRUTH , the WAY, the ONLY WAY, LIFE,
in JESUS,
in accordance with HIS WORD.

JESUS is the only way of salvation;
JESUS is the only way to the FATHER.

Whatever you believe opposed to HIM, has lead you astray,
and kept you from finding HIS KINGDOM,

exactly as YHWH SAYS in HIS WORD.

Haven't you noticed that Jesus never wrote any books of the Bible? Or that the Gospels aren't written as if they were eyewitness accounts? There's no "Jesus said this to us", just "Jesus said this to his disciples", as if they were a completely separate group rom the author. In Paul's letters he clearly used "I" and the like, I would expect it to be the same for the Gospels if they were eyewitness accounts. But the text itself doesn't indicate they were.

And like I said, Jesus didn't write down any of it. So rather than directly having what Jesus said, we have people who likely weren't eyewitnesses saying decades later what Jesus said even though it was decades earlier and they weren't there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well if you have apparently read the Bible to the point that you know, then could you clarify?

It was not by reading the BIBLE anyone ever found out ("know") that Jesus is the MESSIAH, the SON of the LIVING GOD. Even Peter the Apostle did not find out by reading, nor by being with Jesus, nor by being told by Jesus.

For anyone today, the options are the same as they were for the Apostles and disciples Jesus spoke with and trained ...
Ask YHWH for the TRUTH, seek YHWH, trusting in JESUS, have faith in JESUS, ....
Open up the BIBLE and read in the NEW TESTAMENT, or TORAH, or PROPHETS, or PSALMS, or all of these - GOD'S WORD is TRUTH, every bit.

You will have to stop opposing God, stop opposing God's Word,
and go and read the Scriptures that have been posted (just the Scriptures themselves, not even the comments with them, to verify Scripture is TRUTH, as GOD SAYS IT IS - GOD'S WORD IS TRUTH) ,
and
go and simply open the BIBLE at home yourself,
and read all the SCRIPTURE (GOD'S WORD)

since only HIS WORD IS TRUTH UNSHAKEABLE.

Everything I posted has been in line with HIS WORD, as HE SAYS, as HE delivers unto everyone who puts their trust in HIM and not in men.

Remember HIS WORD says anyone who trust in man's ways , He Himself (YHWH) curses,
so giving up the ways of men, turning to YHWH ALONE, is required according to HIS WORD.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Haven't you noticed that Jesus never wrote any books of the Bible?

Again,
did you never even read HIS WORD ?

What YHWH SAYS HIMSELF about HIS WORD ?

and what YHWH SAYS HIMSELF about WHO HE will with great pleasure reveal the TRUTH about SALVATION TO ? (NOT to scholars, NOT to the educated, NOT to the religious leaders (for the most part) ) ...

to babes - to infants, - to little children, as JESUS SAYS, for this is YHWH'S GOOD PLEASURE SO TO DO.

and
when YHWH the ALMIGHTY reveals SALVATION, HE always does so perfectly in line with ALL HIS WORD,
as
HIS WORD always says, absolutely, perfectly, and directly .

 

[CrystalDragon]

Again,
did you never even read HIS WORD ?

What YHWH SAYS HIMSELF about HIS WORD ?

and what YHWH SAYS HIMSELF about WHO HE will with great pleasure reveal the TRUTH about SALVATION TO ? (NOT to scholars, NOT to the educated, NOT to the religious leaders (for the most part) ) ...

to babes - to infants, - to little children, as JESUS SAYS, for this is YHWH'S GOOD PLEASURE SO TO DO.

and
when YHWH the ALMIGHTY reveals SALVATION, HE always does so perfectly in line with ALL HIS WORD,
as
HIS WORD always says, absolutely, perfectly, and directly .

God didn['t directly state it, the men who penned down the Bible claim that God said it and God was writing through them but many of their claims seem to be more in line with societies of that time rather than the eternal word of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God didn['t directly state it, the men who penned down the Bible claim that God said it and God was writing through them but many of their claims seem to be more in line with societies of that time rather than the eternal word of God.

As long as you decide to reject God's Word,
"obviously",
you won't accept nor understand God's Word.

His Word directly answers all the objections you have posted, ever.

Who are you choosing to believe INSTEAD ?!

Since YHWH grants eternal life through JESUS, and only through JESUS,

why not believe YHWH'S WORD, instead of whoever you have been deceived by ? (everyone who opposes YHWH'S Word is deceived and deceiving others)