The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus Explained

[chevyontheriver]

You don't ask for intercession from people that are dead. You ask intercession from Jesus Christ. He is the mediator between God and men.

So you don't ask for or permit intercession from anyone but Jesus Christ? Right?

I'm not part of "any group", I am a believer of Jesus Christ.

Ah, a non-denominational denomination?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your post seemed unclear to me, so I am asking you, in which "words" should we baptize in?

in the name of the Father, the son, and the holy ghost?

or

in the name of jesus christ?

Matthew 28:19b ... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[cgaviria]

So you don't ask for or permit intercession from anyone but Jesus Christ? Right?

We are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, there is no other way to pray and no other person to pray to,

And in that day [*2*me *1*you shall ask] nothing. Amen, amen, I say to you that, Whatever as much as you should ask the father in my name, he will give to you. (John 16:23 [ABP])

As to your denomination comment, I go by this teaching,

[11] For it was made manifest to me concerning you, my brethren, by the ones of Chloe, that [*2*strifes *3*among *4*you *1*there are]. [12] And I say this, that each of you says, I indeed am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. [13] Has [*3*been portioned *1*the *2*Christ]? Was Paul crucified for you? Or in the name of Paul were you immersed?
(I Corinthians 1:11-13 [ABP])

Therefore, I don't declare myself to be of any denomination. I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

[cgaviria]

Matthew 28:19b ... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Then how do you explain these?

And Peter said to them, Repent, and be immersed each of you in the name of Jesus Christ for a release of sins! and you shall receive the present of the holy spirit. (Acts 2:38 [ABP])

And whatever you should ask in my name, this I shall do, that [*3*should be glorified *1*the *2*father] in the son. (John 14:13 [ABP])

And everything, what ever you should do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to the God and father by him. (Colossians 3:17 [ABP])

And when they believed Philip announcing good news, the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were immersed, both men and women. (Acts 8:12 [ABP])

For not yet was it [*2*upon *3*any one *4*of them *1*falling]; but only [*2*immersed *1*being] in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 8:16 [ABP])

And he assigned them to be immersed in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to remain some days. (Acts 10:48 [ABP])

And having heard, they were immersed in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:5 [ABP])

 

[chevyontheriver]

We are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, there is no other way to pray and no other person to pray to

So you don't ask for or permit intercession from anyone but Jesus Christ? Right? Even though Paul asked for intercessory prayer all the time. You would never ask anyone to pray for you?

 

[cgaviria]

So you don't ask for or permit intercession from anyone but Jesus Christ? Right? Even though Paul asked for intercessory prayer all the time. You would never ask anyone to pray for you?

You're getting confused, I said pray to the Father, not to Jesus Christ. You pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Of course Paul asked for prayer, we are to pray FOR our brethren amongst us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then how do you explain these?

There are two ways to explain this:

1. Dispensationally.
2. Taking all of Scripture into consideration.

DISPENSATIONALLY

The period covered in the book of Acts is the transition period between the Fifth and Sixth dispensations.

Law is transitioning into Grace.

The revelation of the Holy Ghost in this period of time was progressive:

1. At first, they got the Holy Ghost days after Jesus breathed on them.
2. Then they got the Holy Ghost after an Apostle baptized them.
3. They they got the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.
4. Finally, they (we) got (get) the Holy Ghost at the point of salvation.

HERMENEUTICALLY

Scripture is additive.

That is, one shouldn't build a doctrine without taking all of Scripture into account.

My favorite example is the sign that was placed over Jesus' head at His crucifixion.

Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Putting it all together, the sign reads: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

 

[cgaviria]

There are two ways to explain this:

1. Dispensationally.
2. Taking all of Scripture into consideration.

DISPENSATIONALLY

The period covered in the book of Acts is the transition period between the Fifth and Sixth dispensations.

Law is transitioning into Grace.

The revelation of the Holy Ghost in this period of time was progressive:

1. At first, they got the Holy Ghost days after Jesus breathed on them.
2. Then they got the Holy Ghost after an Apostle baptized them.
3. They they got the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.
4. Finally, they (we) got (get) the Holy Ghost at the point of salvation.

HERMENEUTICALLY

Scripture is additive.

That is, one shouldn't build a doctrine without taking all of Scripture into account.

My favorite example is the sign that was placed over Jesus' head at His crucifixion.

Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Putting it all together, the sign reads: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

I believe the verse in Matthew you referenced was added to the scripture and that's why it contradicts other scriptures to do all things in the name of Jesus alone.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're getting confused, I said pray to the Father, not to Jesus Christ. You pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Of course Paul asked for prayer, we are to pray FOR our brethren amongst us.

The formula for prayer is:

Praying to the Father, in the name of the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe the verse in Matthew you referenced was added to the scripture and that's why it contradicts other scriptures to do all things in the name of Jesus alone.

Just out of curiosity -- and none of my business -- but are you Oneness Pentecostal?

 

[cgaviria]

The formula for prayer is:

Praying to the Father, in the name of the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said ask all things in my name. No mention of the spirit there.

 

[cgaviria]

Just out of curiosity -- and none of my business -- but are you Oneness Pentecostal?

Nope, I don't claim any denomination. I am merely just a well studied student of scripture.

 

[AV1611VET]

Jesus said ask all things in my name. No mention of the spirit there.

I should have clarified.

By "praying by the Spirit," I meant "praying in the power of the Spirit."

IOW, be Spirit-filled.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, I don't claim any denomination. I am merely just a well studied student of scripture.

Okay, thanks.

Just being nosey.

 

[cgaviria]

I should have clarified.

By "praying by the Spirit," I meant "praying in the power of the Spirit."

IOW, be Spirit-filled.

YES!

 

[cgaviria]

Okay, thanks.

Just being nosey.

Sure.

Do you claim a denomination yourself?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure.

Do you claim a denomination yourself?

Yes, sir.

Independent Fundamental Baptist

 

[Grafted In]

Nope, I don't claim any denomination. I am merely just a well studied student of scripture.

That's quite obvious, however much of what you say is not unlike that of a man I used to work with who was a JW....particularly your stand on the trinity. He was very well read like yourself and had an instant responce for everything I pointed out in Scripture. Like yourself he believed that Jesus was a spiritual being created by God sometime after the beginning.
One day, I suppose as a way of mocking my lack of biblical understanding, he asked me if I could suggest a topic for his sermon, as it was his turn to pastor. I just told him I didn't think I had anything to offer.
We continued to get along ok, though. We found common ground in the music we enjoyed.

 

[cgaviria]

Yes, sir.

Independent Fundamental Baptist

What makes you guys distinct amongst the rest? There are so many denominations.

 

[cgaviria]

That's quite obvious, however much of what you say is not unlike that of a man I used to work with who was a JW....particularly your stand on the trinity. He was very well read like yourself and had an instant responce for everything I pointed out in Scripture. Like yourself he believed that Jesus was a spiritual being created by God sometime after the beginning.
One day, I suppose as a way of mocking my lack of biblical understanding, he asked me if I could suggest a topic for his sermon, as it was his turn to pastor. I just told him I didn't think I had anything to offer.
We continued to get along ok, though. We found common ground in the music we enjoyed.

I differ with them on some matters, but I came to the conclusion that Jesus began with my own studies.