The Papacy

[Hentenza]

There aren't 6,000,000,000 denominations.


Merry Christmas!!!!!

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Yes... your three legged stool again.

Actually, it's the RCC and LDS "three-legged-stool"

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".


95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls."

Mormons call it "The Three-Legged-Stool."

The Catholic Church has survived 2,000 years

Well, the one holy catholic church - the communion of saints, the mystical union of all believers - has "survived" (odd term for you to use) for 2000 years, but that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Catholic Denomination. There's ZERO evidence for ANY denomination prior to the 4th century, and the proto one that Rome established in the 4th century was only for the Empire and only lasted a century or so before it split - whether that is what the RCC or EO is today seems moot to me and of course is entirely unrelated to the subject of this thread.




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[Rick Otto]

The Catholic Church has survived 2,000 years...

So has Christianity.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So has Christianity.

See how that works out?

Catholic = Christian

 

[Rick Otto]

Roman+Catholic = Roman Catholic
Rome uber alles!
Sectarian Supremecists Unite!

 

[spiritman]

See how that works out?

Catholic = Christian

That's debatable. Is every catholic a christian? I was a catholic and not a christian. I thought I was but that didn't make me one. When I got born again I became a christian.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

That's debatable. Is every catholic a christian? I was a catholic and not a christian. I thought I was but that didn't make me one. When I got born again I became a christian.

The question is whether being a Catholic is being Christian and the answer is always going to be yes.

Now some may claim to be Christian and they are not... that is not the point. The point is that the whole Catholic religion is most definately Christian.

 

[Viribus Unitis]

Roman+Catholic = Roman Catholic
Rome uber alles!
Sectarian Supremecists Unite!

No, no, no,

it's

Roma, Roma, hat immer Recht...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_mb5hPWljw&feature=related

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The question is whether being a Catholic is being Christian and the answer is always going to be yes.

Now some may claim to be Christian and they are not... that is not the point. The point is that the whole Catholic religion is most definately Christian.

And who determines who is a Christian or not? I will never ever come under the hand of Rome and the Papacy just as I will never come under the hand of J.S. and Mormonism or that of the the JWs denomination and from what I hear, they are not considered "Christian" by mainstream Churchianity, correct?

zeph 1:7 Be-hushed! from faces/before of my-Lord YHWH, that near Day of YHWH. That YHWH prepares a Sacrifice, He sanctifies ones-being-Called/07121 qara' of Him. 8 And He becomes in Day of sacrifice of YHWH.........

Matt 24:22 And if no was shortened the days, those, not ever was saved all flesh. Because of yet the elect-chosen/eklektouV <1588>, shall be being shortened the days, those.

 

[spiritman]

The question is whether being a Catholic is being Christian and the answer is always going to be yes.

Now some may claim to be Christian and they are not... that is not the point. The point is that the whole Catholic religion is most definately Christian.

Any scripture to support this claim? Or is it just another opinion?

 

[MamaZ]

In what way is the whole of the CC Christian and what does it mean for the CC to be Christian?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

In what way is the whole of the CC Christian and what does it mean for the CC to be Christian?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gqDfrTq-Ck

 

[Albion]

I always thought the RCC believe a Parousia of Jesus already occurred. Is this before or after the 1000yr period?

FWIW, no.

The RCC expects the Second Coming to occur at a time that we cannot determine. At the Second Coming, the Final Judgment will occur and Purgatory will end. There is no acceptance of dispensationalism, millennialism, pre-millennialism, or post-millennialism.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

FWIW, no.

The RCC expects the Second Coming to occur at a time that we cannot determine. At the Second Coming, the Final Judgment will occur and Purgatory will end. There is no acceptance of dispensationalism, millennialism, pre-millennialism, or post-millennialism.

Well, this is what a RC responded concerning that and I vehemently disagree with this particular view:

quote RC: Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

http://www.gotquestions.org/amillennialism.html

According to Amillennialism, the millennium of Revelation 20:1&#8211;6 is being fulfilled spiritually in the present age before the return of Jesus Christ.
Thus, the millennium or kingdom of Christ is in existence now. Amillennialists affirm that the millennium began with the resurrection and/or ascension of Christ and will be consummated when Jesus returns again to establish the Eternal Kingdom that is discussed in Revelation 21&#8211;22.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

FWIW, no.

The RCC expects the Second Coming to occur at a time that we cannot determine. At the Second Coming, the Final Judgment will occur and Purgatory will end. There is no acceptance of dispensationalism, millennialism, pre-millennialism, or post-millennialism.

Sounds right.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sounds right.

So that RC poster's view was not the view of mainstream Roman Catholicism?. Would you say that the final Advent/Parousia is before or after the 1000yr period?

If, as some say, they are in the Millenium now, then would you say that theology is incorrect or even "unorthodox" as is the future "rapture" doctrine?

1 John 2:18 Little-children, last Hour it-is and according-as ye hear that the Antichrist is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736).

Reve 1:7 Behold! He is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736) with the clouds

Reve 9:12 The woe the one departs, behold! is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736) still two woes after these [Locusts released from the well of the Abyss]

Reve 11:14 The woe the second departs behold! the woe the third is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736) swiftly. [2 witnesses killed by Beast ascending out of the Abyss and then Ascedening into Heaven]

 

[Albion]

So that RC poster's view was not the view of mainstream Roman Catholicism?

Not only not of mainstream Roman Catholicism but not of Roman Catholicism, period.

Would you say that the final Advent/Parousia is before or after the 1000yr period?

The 1000 year period is not taken literally.

If, as some say, they are in the Millenium now, then would you say that theology is incorrect or even "unorthodox" as is the future "rapture" doctrine?

The Millennium is not taken literally, nor is the rapture.

The dead will come from their graves for the judgment and the saved will be spared the torments that accompany the last days, but these are not numbered and neither are the dates or time-spans predicted.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not only not of mainstream Roman Catholicism but not of Roman Catholicism, period.

The 1000 year period is not taken literally.

The Millennium is not taken literally, nor is the rapture.

The dead will come from their graves for the judgment and the saved will be spared the torments that accompany the last days, but these are not numbered and neither are the dates or time-spans predicted.

I agree as all of it is taken from the OT/OC prophecies in the Bible.

Then why the problem within all Christianity in interpeting Revelation/Daniel/Olivet Discourse in the NT/NC?
That book has divided Christianity far more than any other book in the Bible me thinks. WHY??

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend! and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 16/21]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of Him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

 

[Albion]

I agree as all of it is taken from the OT/OC prophecies in the Bible.

Then why the problem within all Christianity in interpeting Revelation/Daniel/Olivet Discourse in the NT/NC?
That book has divided Christianity far more than any other book in the Bible me thinks. WHY??

Because it is the most difficult book in the Bible to understand, full of imagery and allegory, and because it deals with things to come. Naturally, this engages the imagination. However, it (millennialism, rapture) is really not that big a deal among mainstream Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant. The interest lies mainly with the smaller churches we usually think of as fundamentalistic, and only really became much of an issue within the past 175 years or so.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Because it is the most difficult book in the Bible to understand, full of imagery and allegory, and because it deals with things to come. Naturally, this engages the imagination. However, it (millennialism, rapture) is really not that big a deal among mainstream Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant. The interest lies mainly with the smaller churches we usually think of as fundamentalistic, and only really became much of an issue within the past 175 years or so.

When John visioned it, of course is was of things to come, but who is it written "TO"? Who were the books of the OT Prophets concerning?

Ezekiel 37:22 And I make them to a-Nation, One in land, in mountains of Israel. And a King, One shall become for all of them to a-King
and not they shall be further to two of Nations, and not they shall be divided further to two of Kingdoms further