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The order of fossils in the geological column

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So are you suggesting that the Ark would not have survived such an onslaught?
 
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I still want to know how the koalas got to Australia after they got of the Ark. Come up with a logically consistent explanation for that's also biblically consistent, I'll accept YEC as correct and evolution as false here and now.
 
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So are you suggesting that the Ark would not have survived such an onslaught?

The ark, if built to the dimensions in the Bible, likely would not have survived even what normally passes as a rough day at sea, let alone a tsunami.

Bill Nye also explained this during his recent debate with Ken Ham. I don't have the privileges to post video links yet, so someone else will have to link it.
 
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The ark, if built to the dimensions in the Bible, likely would not have survived even what normally passes as a rough day at sea, let alone a tsunami.
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How would we know what sort of stabilization system may have been on the ark?? You are guessing. Nye knows squat.
 
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Did you mean this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI ?
 
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Clam fossils have been found atop Mt. Everest.
 
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I still want to know how the koalas got to Australia after they got of the Ark.
Assuming they existed then, they got to Australia the same way they came from Australia to the Ark.

Probably by teleportation.
Come up with a logically consistent explanation for that's also biblically consistent, I'll accept YEC as correct and evolution as false here and now.
I don't believe in YEC, I believe in Embedded Age, but for the record, here's your "Biblical consistency":

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
 
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The ark, if built to the dimensions in the Bible, likely would not have survived even what normally passes as a rough day at sea, let alone a tsunami.
How long, in your opinion, was it before Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego burned up in the fiery furnace?
 
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They are found *in* the rocks on top. Only a few that have broken loose are on the mountain. As I understand it the summit of the Mt Everest is at least in part limestone moved there by tectonic uplift. That would easily explain the presence of the shells.

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But so there are actually fossils there? Interesting, thanks
 
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Assuming they existed then, they got to Australia the same way they came from Australia to the Ark.

Probably by teleportation.
...so you think they were in Australia before the flood, too? Sure, why not?
 
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I've found that a lot of geological and archeological studies have been suppressed due to agendas by the mainstream scientific world that would go against the commonly held beliefs. Scientists who present contradictory findings have actually been threatened and lost their 'papers' or status in the community. So, I highly suspect any and all studies until everything is investigated and backed up including the scientists themselves AND their funding sources.
 
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If they've been suppressed how did you find them?
 
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How would we know what sort of stabilization system may have been on the ark?? You are guessing. Nye knows squat.

No, you're right. I don't know what sort of stabilization systems that may have been present in your ark. All we have is the Bible's word for it, and all the Bible says is that it is made of gopher wood and is 137m long. But even a simple glance at the story reveals how unbelievable it is.

137m is the same length as the largest wooden ship ever constructed in recorded history, the Wyoming - that is, if you include her foremast. The actual structure of the Wyoming was 110m on deck and 100m between the furthest uprights. The Wyoming was so large and her material of construction was so flexible that she constantly sprang leaks as she was twisted by the waves, despite having steel braces on her inside, and the leaks were so great that her steam-powered pumps were unable to keep up. She eventually succumbed to a storm, going down with all hands.

We could assume that this 'gopher wood' (which is either fictional, mistranslated, or a pre-Noachian oddity) has mechanical properties that are greater than steel, thus giving the ark the structural ability to at least reach the size of a solid modern day ship without these structural problems. But why would we assume that? We could just as easily assume that there were unobtainium braces holding the ship together, or that Noah had access to nuclear powered bilge pumps, or that Noah and his sons were such good shipwrights that they had some sort of brilliant technique that allowed them to build a wooden ship far better than the shipwrights of the modern era (and then never passed those secrets on to anyone).

The problem with those assumptions is just that: they are assumptions. All we have is what we know from the Bible, and it says that the ark is a boat made of wood and pitch that is larger than the largest wooden ship we have on record, and we know what happened to that ship. We can therefore evaluate the story on those merits and draw a conclusion. Until further proof of the ark is brought forth, this is all we can do.

And all this still hasn't gotten around to the comment that sparked this: that the storm being proposed by OldWiseGuy would be far greater than the storm that sunk the Wyoming. If the largest wooden ship ever, built using modern technologies with all the knowledge of the greatest shipwrights of the era using additional materials and technologies that Noah would not have had was sunk by a late-winter storm, how much of a chance would an ancient boat have had in a tsunami?

Did you mean this:
snip ?

That would be the video of the full debate, yes. There is a much shorter clip on Youtube of Nye just doing his bit about the ark.

How long, in your opinion, was it before Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego burned up in the fiery furnace?

This is relevant because...?
 
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How long, in your opinion, was it before Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego burned up in the fiery furnace?

For as long as Sherlock Holmes survived the bottom of Reichenbach Falls.
 
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Just as God protected the three men in the fire ...

Daniel 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


... God could have protected Noah and his family the same way.

Some believe ... as do I ... there were nine people on the Ark.
 
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Clam fossils have been found atop Mt. Everest.
Exactly.

Do clams run away from flood waters? Do they swim up there?

Nope, they sink to the bottom. Plates then move slowly lifting and subducting regions creating new mountains out of what was once sea floor.
 
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If they've been suppressed how did you find them?
There's a really good book called Forbidden Archeology by Michael Cremo. Also books by Dr. Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D "Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future."

I am not a scholar in this field but I have found there are highly questionable finds that have been suppressed in archeology etc. These books will go more into detail for you than I can give in one post.
 
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