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The order of fossils in the geological column

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The reason why is that the bible claims that it is the answer to everything without evidence to back those claims, so people seek out and emphasize information which supports the bible, at the exclusion of information that doesn't. Science on the other hand starts out with no answers, and seeks them out through observation, experimentation, etc., thus all new information has something to support it. That science changes is how we make progress towards the truth, to assume the truth without evidence is an easy way to stop progress and accept things that aren't true.
 
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And yet I see nothing about the moon "crashing into" the earth.

False. Of course they do.
False. Of course they DON'T.

Those aren't based on guesses. They are the results of experiments and testing. Do you really not get that?

So the laws were not the same, you claim? Try to be clear...not that anyone cares, because the issue is what science CLAIMS!!
That is not what I said, is it? Please read for comprehension. Either that or stop lying about what I say. I said that scientists didn't simply BELIEVE that the rates are the same. They have run tests and experiments that would show if the rates were different and there is NO EVIDENCE that the laws of physics operated differently in the time frame we are talking about.

That's not acceptance based on BELIEF but acceptance based on EVIDENCE.

Lying about God's creation is poison, which makes the bald faced religious prophesies of so called science foul waters also. Deadly.
Well, I don't see anyone here lying about God's creation. I see some people who are extremely misguided in their attempts to reconcile God's Word and science (proposing "different state pasts" or proposing that Adam was "made" 13.5 billion years ago and just sat around for the next several billion years) but I don't see anyone actually lying.
 
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So a flood coming in at the speed of an average tide wouldn't pick up and deposit a lot of sediments along the way? This has been one of my points all along; little evidence of erosion/deposition.
I didn't say it wouldn't pick it up, I said it would deposit the way you are claiming.

Science looks for a 'high water mark', but if the flood covered nearly all landforms there is no high water mark.
You seem to be refusing to even consider that a "high water mark" of 16,000 ft above sea level can not happen in a gentle event. Not to mention that there are many mountains higher than that which would have a "high water mark" on them and yet we don't see it.

Science often reinterprets evidence. I fully expect that science will one day admit to the possibility of a global flood; a flood like I have described.
Except that a Flood such as the one you are postulating is impossible due to the physics of water and continental plate movement.
 
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Genesis 1:1 describes the original creation. Verse two begins the story of the restoration of the earth from a great cataclysm which included global flooding.
Oh wow. OK, well I'll give you points for originality. Where is dad and Amam777 when you need them?
 
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It's perfectly rational to believe we are not the only life forms in existence when there are:
Billions and Billions and Billions of planets out there?

That's my point. Rationalism doesn't require proof, only rationalization (deductive reasoning without the need for objective evidence).
 
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That's my point. Rationalism doesn't require proof, only rationalization (deductive reasoning without the need for objective evidence).

When you take advantage (every day of your life) of what modern science has provided you, do you look at as someone pointing a gun and killing someone?
 
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Here's a challenge for you.

The Jews are persecuted, reviled and scattered, and have been for millennia. The bible reveals a curse on the Jews condemning them to be persecuted, reviled, and scattered. What answer does science have for this phenomenon that has persisted for over two thousand years?
 
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You say that as if there aren't scapegoats other than the Jews. They aren't the only group which has received such treatment.
 
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Well Scientists, don't believe in Extra Terrestrials but they still are trying to find the existence of them.
Scientists believe that if Extra-Terrestrials exist they cannot reach the Earth because of the vast distance .But they don't necessary reject the possibility that intelligent life may exist somewhere else.
We can always believe that Aliens exist, but as of now they clearly don't.
Which imply that Earth is the only place in the vast universe that life and intelligent life can exist.Which in itself makes the Earth very unique.
 
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I said a flood that lasted a million years, not a flood a million years ago.
No you didn't. You said

A million year old flood will leave more evidence than a one year flood will.
That is definitely not the same thing as a flood that lasted a million years.

Why not?

To your eyes maybe. But I bet a trained geologist could come in and tell you when it flooded with little difficulty.

Scientists (apparently) believe that flood waters are in constant motion, churning, eroding, and depositing.
Why would you think that? Scientists are very aware of how floods act.

The truth is that after the initial surge, which can be quite gentle, the water is calm.
Your model has the continental plates moving up and down and water covering mountains more than 16,000 feet high. This cannot be a gentle or calm occurrence due to simple physics.

The Flood had to cover mountains at least 16,000 ft high with "calm" water for several months at least. That requires covering the entire earth in a layer of water at least 16,000 feet deep. We're talking about nearly 200 million square miles of earth's surface each square mile of which will need 3 cubic miles of water on top of it at a minimum. There isn't enough water on the planet to accomplish that.
 
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No, I said parts of the story are described in poetic language. The phase "open the windows of heaven" is poetic language for rain.
Then why can't the part that describes the Flood as being "upon the whole earth" be taken as poetic language for "everywhere Noah knew of"?
 
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Then why can't the part that describes the Flood as being "upon the whole earth" be taken as poetic language for "everywhere Noah knew of"?
That is not Noah who have told Moses about the Flood but God.
Jesus validated the account of the Flood given to Moses.
 
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And yet I see nothing about the moon "crashing into" the earth.
Right it was the imaginary mars sized planet they need to get the moon. The moon then started out at the earth in their dream scenario. By extrapolation backwards, then they have the moon all the way on earth starting out.

Those aren't based on guesses. They are the results of experiments and testing. Do you really not get that?
Try and tell us one in your own words and see who gets what!

Nope. Name one experiment that shows the rate was not different!? They believe nothing more. Pathetic religion.
Well, I don't see anyone here lying about God's creation.
Any time science claims creation of man or the universe happened another way that God says, they are lying through their teeth, whether they know it or not.

I see some people who are extremely misguided in their attempts to reconcile God's Word and science (proposing "different state pasts"
The bible agrees. God's word doesn't misguide. No one made up fast plant growth, long lives, water and land separating in creation week, spirits marrying humans, or flood waters from heaven.

You cannot compare any of the thing the bible actually says with the billions of years you cite.
 
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When you put it like that God would seem to be the only answer, where is he? have you seen him around lately?
have you ever seen him around? has anyone?
Yes we saw Him 2000 years ago. We see Him work also since then.
 
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Falsifying it's own conclusions? Right, the only people who do that in the Science community are the ones who get judged with great scrutiny and a tarnished reputation.
 
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Which imply that Earth is the only place in the vast universe that life and intelligent life can exist.Which in itself makes the Earth very unique.

No, that is not true, Scientists have discovered a Planet very similar to ours in Space. It only Imply's that Earth is the only confirmed place where life exists.

Scientists know that the ONLY place we know of so far that is habitable is the earth but it's quite obvious there is evidence that life could potentially live on other earth like planets they have examined.

Because Space is infinite, there is no conclusion that Life does or doesn't exist else where.
 
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Oh wow. OK, well I'll give you points for originality. Where is dad and Amam777 when you need them?

Not my idea. Ever heard of GAP theory?
 
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