And yet out of the Old Testament came the Ten Commandments and out of the ten Commandments five (5) of them have been put into law by every country on this planet.
Pharoah and his army when they went after Israel...
the Pharaoh and his army did the killing. Some may want to use God as an excuse but that doesn't fly. Even the Great Flood was not God's doing. It was an event that just happened. Here you can blame mother nature for it, but not God.
God is not a destroyer, He is the Creator
in my view
Instead of us going around and around on this lets just let this be and I will go my way and you yours
bye
Gladly, because you choose to be foolish in thought.
the Pharaoh and his army did the killing. Some may want to use God as an excuse but that doesn't fly. Even the Great Flood was not God's doing. It was an event that just happened. Here you can blame mother nature for it, but not God.
God is not a destroyer, He is the Creator
in my view
Instead of us going around and around on this lets just let this be and I will go my way and you yours
bye
But the question is, were their souls saved if they repented. Scripture says that God forgave every kind of sin, even though he did not leave sin unpunished.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, I have same-sex attractions, which according to the Old Testament makes me worthy of death.
From an Old Testament theocratic legal framework, similar to today's legal framework, a person is convicted of a crime, if they are deemed to have done so wilfully and receive the maximum penalty for their crime, if they are repeat offenders who have already been given leniency/mercy.
Many of today's legislation highlights maximum penalties for offences, but seldomly does a person receive the maximum penalty.
In the Old Testament, the maximum penalty legislated is death for homosexuality, however seldomly would a person get the death penalty for one offence or even two, if they are shown to have not wilfully committed the offence.
So there would be penalties as a consequence no doubt and a process of affording leniency to the offender. However repeated offenders may finally face the music and get death, but I would not think that it would be the first point of call for a judge in administering justice.
So the judges within the Old Testament court systems had processes in place to try and resolve the matter, by taking into consideration, whether there was genuine repentance and refraining from repeat offences of the same crime or there was wilful neglect and repeat offences of the crime.
So punishment may not be death as the first point of call for the offender, but a process that allows the offender to vindicate themselves through future probationary works, that is through restitution. No doubt that offender would be watched very carefully within their community and any future intention to break the law, may not have the leniency afforded to them. It is the same way God works with people, who ask for mercy.
Don't think that the Old Testament courts were not merciful, after all the last thing that they wanted is a tribal revolt as a result of a member of a certain tribe being murdered without the offering of mercy and the settling of the matter through restitution.
In turn, the tribal head of that community would put pressure on the offender to not bring his tribe's name into disrepute.
So the theocratic governance placed certain responsibilities on the head of tribal leaders to deal with their own communities, without the court systems getting involved heavy handedly, by executing every homosexual. Executing every homosexual would not be the solution to running a theocratic governance and it would be better to be seen as exhausting all avenues before a death sentence is handed down.
It does not and this is where your misconception lies. Your confession before God and the body of Christ, whom is us and all who have shared in your testimony, is your priestly jury who offer you mercy, so that you can through spiritual restitution vindicate yourself and through genuine repentance be cleared of any wrong doing by the Righteous Judge on the Final Day of Judgement of the Dead.
You would not be worthy of death today under the priestly Theocratic Monarchy under Christ Jesus, than you would be under the Old Covenant Theocratic Religious System.
However be warned, that it is written....
Hebrews 6:4-6
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26If we Wilfully keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
In Conclusion, now that you presented your testimony before the body of Christ and the many witesses, you have placed yourself on notice, that from here on, how you deal with your sin, after you have been afforded mercy, is how you will be judged on the Final Judgement of the Dead.
Do you understand what I have written so far?
You are supposed to repent of your sins in order to receive forgiveness.
Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword will perish by the sword." If you enforce the death penalty on others, they might turn and enforce the death penalty on you. Jesus and his disciples were not a police or military force.
Jesus also taught the wages of sin is death. Even if one is not sentenced to death, one will die of natural causes. One who is righteous may receive a reward.
Same sex lust is a problem. Thousands have died because of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases like various forms of hepatitis, HPV etc. Celibacy is recommended. One may choose to not marry, but one is not supposed to do homosexuality.
I wish for them to be saved with a renewed mind, even if that means a path that is not all bed and roses.
When they have someone sentenced to death in the old westerns, the judge always says "May God have mercy on your soul." .If the person committed the crime but was never caught and died a natural death, would God let the person in? What if the person were wrongly executed? If the person were to repent I don't think there is much God won't forgive if asked, so I think grace can reach most anywhere. I don't know how to express this, but I hope God will help you see His grace and mercy.
The Old Testament was a very different time in the world- it doesn't follow with modern bias because it deals with a world that was a lot more hardened and unforgiving.
With the matter concerning forgiveness or salvation, the righteous were spared in Abraham before Christ came- how God chose who and who weren't righteous beyond the penalties for their wrongdoing is more or less a mystery in Scripture, and for good reason really.
Salvation is something between a man and God alone; the Apostles, particularly Paul, gives a good bit of insight but nonetheless there can be certain unseen qualities of a person that only God recognizes.
I have not found any scripture that stated God commanded the death of anyone, period. Murder is not God's way. And yes, He will forgive you if you ask him too. But you must mean it because He can see into your soul and if you are lying to Him you will regret it.
6th Commandment
"Thy shall not murder"
with no exceptions
The law of God demanded death penalties for certain sinners. Some Christians still preach about these laws, which I won't argue against. But just because there was a death penalty for certain sinners, did not mean they couldn't be forgiven before they died, right?
The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation. Numbers 14:18
Some Christians preach that because there were death penalties attached to some sinful behavior that it means that there were no forgiveness. Now, I am not claiming that because there was forgiveness there was no death penalty. I am sure there was. I will never claim anything that meets my agenda simply because I don't like it. If scriptures says that certain sins had the death penalty, then I am incline to believe it.
But the question is, were their souls saved if they repented. Scripture says that God forgave every kind of sin, even though he did not leave sin unpunished.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, I have same-sex attractions, which according to the Old Testament makes me worthy of death. So, this is not me pointing out everybody else's sins and ignoring my own sin.
The law of God demanded death penalties for certain sinners. Some Christians still preach about these laws, which I won't argue against. But just because there was a death penalty for certain sinners, did not mean they couldn't be forgiven before they died, right?
The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation. Numbers 14:18
Some Christians preach that because there were death penalties attached to some sinful behavior that it means that there were no forgiveness. Now, I am not claiming that because there was forgiveness there was no death penalty. I am sure there was. I will never claim anything that meets my agenda simply because I don't like it. If scriptures says that certain sins had the death penalty, then I am incline to believe it.
But the question is, were their souls saved if they repented. Scripture says that God forgave every kind of sin, even though he did not leave sin unpunished.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, I have same-sex attractions, which according to the Old Testament makes me worthy of death. So, this is not me pointing out everybody else's sins and ignoring my own sin.
The Old Testament is man made, evolved religion. Those laws didn’t come from God. Many other religions had it still have such man made religious laws.The law of God demanded death penalties for certain sinners. Some Christians still preach about these laws, which I won't argue against. But just because there was a death penalty for certain sinners, did not mean they couldn't be forgiven before they died, right?
The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation. Numbers 14:18
Some Christians preach that because there were death penalties attached to some sinful behavior that it means that there were no forgiveness. Now, I am not claiming that because there was forgiveness there was no death penalty. I am sure there was. I will never claim anything that meets my agenda simply because I don't like it. If scriptures says that certain sins had the death penalty, then I am incline to believe it.
But the question is, were their souls saved if they repented. Scripture says that God forgave every kind of sin, even though he did not leave sin unpunished.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, I have same-sex attractions, which according to the Old Testament makes me worthy of death. So, this is not me pointing out everybody else's sins and ignoring my own sin.
Hi Brother ..Shortly after the Lord came and found me ( it cost me my family and many things although I do not care about the loss of things ..family was/is tough ) So having a tremendous change that cost a lot , i pondered if i had made a serious mistake ..the Lord could not forgive all of the wickedness I had committed ( I was same-sex attracted ..basically a womanizer ..lustful ) Then a gentle voice told me " consider my servant David " ...knowing the story well , it then made sense why God had allowed David to fall into all kind of sin ..not only the adultery with Bathsheba but the totally heartless crime of having his loyal servant and her husband Uriah deliver his own death sentence . Both of those are a capital offenses . The sword never left David's house but he was forgiven. David learned a hard lesson but through it God demonstrated the depth of His forgiveness . In some ways David died and was reborn . Likewise , we are all under the sentence of death and through Christ we have died and with Him we are resurrected . I am worthy of a capital offense but like the woman caught in adultery , Christ died for me ( as He did her ) ..So the death penalty is still in effect but we are all guilty ..everyone . As a side note , when returning from a trip overseas , I remembered thinking , "if this plane should go down , I will repent before it crashes " ..that is NOT repentance ..that is just not wanting to go to hell ..repentance ( for me anyways ) is to turn ..to change my mind ..to turn towards God through Christ and away from myself for in HIM is life while in my flesh dwells no good thing .as one more side note , i used to look for something "good" in my old self and the verse came to me " Why are you looking for the living amongst the dead ? "The law of God demanded death penalties for certain sinners. Some Christians still preach about these laws, which I won't argue against. But just because there was a death penalty for certain sinners, did not mean they couldn't be forgiven before they died, right?
The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation. Numbers 14:18
Some Christians preach that because there were death penalties attached to some sinful behavior that it means that there were no forgiveness. Now, I am not claiming that because there was forgiveness there was no death penalty. I am sure there was. I will never claim anything that meets my agenda simply because I don't like it. If scriptures says that certain sins had the death penalty, then I am incline to believe it.
But the question is, were their souls saved if they repented. Scripture says that God forgave every kind of sin, even though he did not leave sin unpunished.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, I have same-sex attractions, which according to the Old Testament makes me worthy of death. So, this is not me pointing out everybody else's sins and ignoring my own sin.
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