The oceans are getting hotter = more heatwaves

[AV1611VET]

Thalidomide didn't pass with flying colors for what it was dangerously marketed for (pregnancy).

Oh, wow.

So it doesn't have to "pass with flying colors" for lab to turn it over to management?

Figures.

 

[eclipsenow]

The empirical method is flawed by sinful men.

You really appear uninformed about the relationship between Christianity and science. Science emerged out of a subset of theology. One reason science was held back for so long was the reverence paid to the 'rationality' of Greek philosophers like Aristotle. They thought so highly of their own systems of logic they basically thought the way one of our friends above thinks and said "I think for myself." But it was out of a Christian framework of believing that even our understanding - our rational faculties - were corrupted by sin that the empirical method was born! So there's a natural Christian humility built into the empirical method that says "I could be wrong in my assumptions - so how can I devise a system that detects my blind spots." That's what science is. I think you need to brush up on it before continuing in your rants. Science admits it has 'weakest links' - and is the better for it. It's simply the summary of the best information and inklings we have on the physical universe to date. But it admits it doesn't know everything and has blind spots - and continues to chip away at it, bit by bit.
Here more on how Christianity impacted early science here.

EP 78: Scientific Imagination

It may just be that science is an imaginative, creative, and emotive enterprise, just as it is obviously a rational, mathematical, evidence-based discipline. Which, to John Dickson's mind - and that of our expert guest - makes perfect sense. After all, the Creator is an artist and logician in one!

undeceptions.com

Can you imagine how much you are grieving our Creator every time you are callous and sarcastic about people within science who are humbly investigating his work - and many of them are your brothers and sisters in Christ? And all you can do is be snarky about the whole enterprise, rather than admitting it's many triumphs and the way it has benefited the modern world.

 

[JohnEmmett]

One reason science was held back for so long was the reverence paid to the 'rationality' of Greek philosophers like Aristotle. They thought so highly of their own systems of logic they basically thought the way one of our friends above thinks and said "I think for myself." But

Global warming caused by CFCs, not carbon dioxide, researcher claims in controversial study

"In fact, the data shows that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays caused both the polar ozone hole and global warming."

The peer-reviewed paper published this week not only provides new fundamental understanding of the ozone hole and global climate change but has superior predictive capabilities, compared with the conventional sunlight-driven ozone-depleting and CO2-warming models, Lu argues.

 

[eclipsenow]

Global warming caused by CFCs, not carbon dioxide, researcher claims in controversial study

"In fact, the data shows that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays caused both the polar ozone hole and global warming."

The peer-reviewed paper published this week not only provides new fundamental understanding of the ozone hole and global climate change but has superior predictive capabilities, compared with the conventional sunlight-driven ozone-depleting and CO2-warming models, Lu argues.

Did you bother googling around about this hypothesis? Doesn't look like it!
Look - what I read from the real experts in this is that CFC's ARE 10,000 TIMES more powerful than CO2 at trapping heat. PFC's are even higher - at 15k to 17k more powerful - and are being considered to help terraform Mars in the distant future as part of cooking up that freezing planet.
But this is all irrelevant. There just are not enough CFC's to cook the earth and account for how much warming there has been.

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Lu's hypothesis can be disproven very simply. He argues that the radiative forcing (global energy imbalance) from CFCs matches global surface temperatures better than that from CO2 over the past decade. This is because as a result of the Montreal Protocol, CFC emissions (and emissions of other halocarbons) have been flat over the past decade, and global surface air temperatures have also been essentially flat during that short timeframe, while CO2 emissions have continued to rise.

However, a global energy imbalance doesn't just impact surface temperatures. In fact, only about 2% of global warming is used in heating the atmosphere, while about 90% heats the oceans. Over the past decade, ocean and overall global heating have continued to rise rapidly, accumulating the equivalent of about 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second (Figure 1).



Figure 1: Land, atmosphere, and ice heating (red), 0-700 meter OHC increase (light blue), 700-2,000 meter OHC increase (dark blue). From Nuccitelli et al. (2012).

So while CFCs might match surface temperature changes better than CO2 emissions over the past decade, CO2 emissions better match the relevant metric – overall global heat accumulation. Since a global energy imbalance influences global heat content and not just surface temperatures, this by itself is sufficient to falsify Lu's hypothesis.

But let's dig into the details of the paper to see how Lu built his case and where he went wrong....

Lu Blames Global Warming on CFCs (Curve Fitting Correlations)

A paper just published in an obscure physics journal by the University of Waterloo's Qing-Bin Lu (2013) has drawn quite a bit of media attention for blaming global warming not on carbon dioxide, but rather on chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs, which are also greenhouse gases). However, there are...

skepticalscience.com

 

[JohnEmmett]

There just are not enough CFC's to cook the earth and account for how much warming there has been.

Does the Sun not heat the ocean in the absence of the ozone layer

 

[eclipsenow]

Does the Sun not heat the ocean in the absence of the ozone layer

Do you not read the data given to you?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do you not read the data given to you?

I quoted what you were saying… can you answer my question?

 

[eclipsenow]

I quoted what you were saying… can you answer my question?

That does not mean you read it or understood it - can you show evidence that you read it?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Over the past decade, ocean and overall global heating have continued to rise rapidly, accumulating the equivalent of about 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second

That is consistent with the Sun’s power to heat the ocean

 

[AV1611VET]

You really appear uninformed about the relationship between Christianity and science.

Here's my relationship between Christianity and Science:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

Can you imagine how much you are grieving our Creator every time you are callous and sarcastic about people within science who are humbly investigating his work - and many of them are your brothers and sisters in Christ?

Can I ask the same question about those who believe in deep time?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Can I ask the same question about those who believe in deep time?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this a video about the Akashic Library?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Is this a video about the Akashic Library?

If you really care about truth then watch

 

[eclipsenow]

That is consistent with the Sun’s power to heat the ocean

According to who's mathematics about what? What interacting with what? How? How much energy? When? Why is it heating more now than before? By how much? Measuring what? Unless you can answer these questions - and show why the DEMONSTRABLE, repeatable physics of CO2 is wrong - you're not doing science. You may as well be daydreaming about unicorn vomit.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you really care about truth then watch

Alright, I'll watch it, since it's relatively short.

But I don't need the Truth supplemented by New Age or Academic gobbledygook.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

So I was taking courses in the Geography Dept at UBC (University of British Columbia) in the early 1990's. If you are not aware, UBC was one of the centres of global warming (yes, that term) policy at that time. They were helping determine the world's policies, jargon and propaganda. My professor was one of the head honchos. We got an earful in all of our classes about the "science" and the planned response. This was when "carbon credits" were first being discussed. He made no apologies for saying it was all a way to bankrupt the first world nations and have a massive transfer of wealth to the "underpriviledged" parts of the world. He said it was all about propaganda and shaping people's minds from an early age. He said it would take a generation for everyone to be swayed. I never forgot this. I still have all my notes from the classes. And I still bring this up to everyone who has been hookwinked and tricked into the "climate emergency".

 

[JohnEmmett]

Why is it heating more now than before?

Because the ozone is compromised

 

[AV1611VET]

Alright, I'll watch it, since it's relatively short.

But I don't need the Truth supplemented by New Age or Academic gobbledygook.

Okay, John.

55 seconds into it.

I'm done.

 

[eclipsenow]

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

Except you quoted God's promise to Noah that "seedtime would never fail" as somehow contradicting climate science - only to betray that you understand neither the bible nor science! If "seedtime never failing" is an ironclad promise from God - why did he fail to keep it a number of times in Genesis itself? Joseph's famine was complete across the known world for SEVEN YEARS. That's 7 times God directly failed to keep his promise! Unless you've misunderstood the Noah event - which I've tried to help you understand!

 

[JohnEmmett]

I'm done.

I think you won’t learn due to greed