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The Nephilim, who or what are they, part two

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Some may be saying, "If these other men can't figure out who or what the Nephilim were, how can this guy state that they were violent, tyrants, powerful men?" For a number of reasons, first, the Hebrew word Nephilim is not related to the Hebrew words for angel, spirit, or evil spirit. There is nothing about the word that even hints at the supernatural, hybrid being. The word does not mean offspring or children. The fact that it can also be translated as tyrant or bully clearly shows it must describe some type of human being.
Part of the false teaching is that the giants are the offspring of the ungodly sexual union of demons and human women. I'm sorry, I don't see that anywhere in the verse. I guess some people lack basic reading skills. Let's look at the verse,
There were giants in the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
There were giants in the earth in those days. What days are being referred to? "Those days," when the sons of God took wives of all they choose. The giants were already on the earth before the sexual union! The sexual union did not result in the birth of "giants," extremely tall, monstrous hybrids! In many of the ancient pagan cultures around the world is the myth of a race of giants, including the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and the Romans. We even had our own "American" giant, Paul Bunyon, and his giant blue ox Babe. One of the most famous fairy tales is "Jack and the Beanstalk." Let's not forget the Norse, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. The English word "giant," also means a person of great power and influence in a particular arena, "He is a giant in the energy industry," or a person who has made great advances, "She was a giant in medical research," or a person who dominates an area, "He was a giant in the music industry." Yet, what is the first thing people picture when they read the word giant? An extremely tall, fairy tale creature. Many people want to believe that the supernatural is real. Look at certain cartoon characters, that no matter what is done to them, things that should kill them, never die. What are comic book heroes and villains if not gods, goddesses, and demigods? The supernatural and folklore are a big part of the subconscious of many people. People want to believe that "demons" can have physical sex with a human and produce offspring, incubus, and succubus. If the sons of God were fallen angels that had sex with human women, then that would make them incubus, would it not? Where does the idea of incubus come from? Paganism! Many pagan cultures had some form of incubus and succubus. That is why so many people believe the false teaching. They hear it for the first time and they accept the story hook, line, and sinker. They don't bother studying Gen 6:4, no, to them it must be true! Remember, foolish people have the attitude that, "If I believe it, it must be true!"

Who were the sons of God? (Ugh, once again I just heard on the radio, "Put the cookies on the bottom shelf.) The only biblical "proof" that these people can use to show that the "sons of God" are angels is three verses in Job, 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. I have to spend a little time with the book of Job here.
The first set of commentaries I bought was done through mail order, CBD. I had to fill out a paper form with my order, and send it in the mail, along with a check. Two weeks later, the package arrived. After I eagerly tore open the cardboard box, I started scanning through the books. I came across the commentary on Job and remember reading that "Job was not a historical book, but was written as a play, a drama." I of course immediately rejected that notion! (I, who was just beginning to study, lol.) When a person begins to study Scripture and continues to study Scripture for years and years, they discover that things they thought were true are incorrect. They discover things they had no clue about were found in Scripture, they begin to see how everything ties together in Scripture, they begin to connect the dots between the O.T. and N.T., they begin to see between the lines and their study becomes more fruitful, deeper. They begin to see things that were not visible before,
Over time, I also came to the conclusion that Job was not a historical book, but rather a book about God, man, life, and troubles in life, that ends up declaring God's sovereignty! It is presented in a narrative way, telling a story. I won't go into the reasons but want to point out that:
1 Nobody knows when Job was written. It has been placed as having been written before Moses wrote Genesis to as late as the second century B.C.
2 Nobody knows who wrote Job.
3 Nobody knows where it was written.
4 It closely follows the method of storytelling used by pagan nations.
5 There are Hebrew words in Job that are only used in Job.
6 From HAARETZ.com, "Job, possibly the strangest book in the bible, is based on legends going back thousands of years, and is written in a very unusual form of Hebrew....is notoriously difficult to date...In essence, Job is an essay on the problem of evil... (After 2:10) The story then stops being a narrative and takes on a philosophical bent...the story lacks any historical context and no historic individuals are mentioned...
7 There is nothing in the book that tells of the time or place in history.
8 There is no way to put it in the timeline of bible history.
9 It fits nowhere within the plot line of the O.T. bible story.
There is more I can show to prove that Job is not a historical book based on a real man or real events. Since Job is not a historical book means that the "sons of God," in Job, are fictional characters and not actual angels. In the creation story, there is no mention of the angels "shouting for joy" when God created the universe. Who are the "morning stars" in Job 38:7?
In the Tankah, the Jewish bible, the O.T., The Jews classify their bible into three parts, the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings, which includes what is called Wisdom Literature. Job is not treated as a historical book. It is included in the Writings and is considered Wisdom Literature. Don't think I do not value the book of Job! It is very valuable and well worth studying and learning. Much about God's sovereignty is taught in Job!
Nowhere in Scripture does God ever refer to the angels as his "sons."
Heb 1:5, For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, Today I will have fathered you. And in another place, God says, "I will be His father and he will be my son?"
Nowhere in Scripture do the angels ever refer to God as "Father." Nowhere in Scripture does God call any angel His "son."

I want to address another problem with treating the book of Job as a historical event. It has added fuel to the fire that "Santan" is incredibly powerful. From Job, people believe that the devil can control the weather, cause this group of people to attack and kill other people, can afflict people with sickness or disease, and is free to do as he pleases and can "attack" people as he so desires. In English translations, you will find the word Satan used 14 times, Job 1:6,7,8, 9,12, 2:1, 2,3,4,6,7. It is always capitalized. This was done because of personal belief, not based on the Hebrew text. In the original Hebrew, where Satan is used, you will find the Hebrew word "sa an," pronounced "saw-tawn." (You see where the word Satan comes from) Do you know what the word means? It means "adversary." It does not mean a "devil," "evil spirit," or "fallen angel." It has no connection to the spiritual world. This word is always used as a NOUN! NOT A PROPER NOUN! It is not a name! It always has a definite article before it, so, in Hebrew, it always reads, "the adversary." This is not "Satan!" Anyone who has ever translated "the adversary" into the name "Satan" has done this on purpose! This was not an accident or mistake! Just another example of how most English translations are used to promote false teaching, based on how the original texts are translated. Let me give you another example. 2Cor 9:7, ... "for God loves a 'cheerful' giver." Ugh, how many of you, myself included, have been beaten over the head with the idea that a believer should be so very happy about giving money. "Why, you should be giving your money with a big smile on your face!" The Greek word translated into "cheerful" is "hilaros," which leads the false teachers to say, "you should be a hilarious giver." The word does not mean "hilarious!" It means cheerful, joyous OR "prompted to give!", to be willing! Paul was referencing Ex 25:1-2, "And the LORD said to Moses, 'Speak to the children of Israel, that they will bring me an offering: you will take My offering from every man who gives it WILLINGLY with his heart.'" There is no theme throughout Scripture about being a "cheerful" giver! The theme is that when men give money, they decide how much they want to give, as God has prospered him, 1Cor 16:2, and that what they have decided to give, they give it willingly, not reluctantly or with resentment, and not from pressure or compulsion!

We do see the phrase "sons of God" in other parts of Scripture. Who does Scripture call the "sons of God?"
Rom 8:12-16
Gal 3:24-29, 4:6-7.
Eph 1:5
Phi 2:15
1 John 3:1-3, 9-10.

It is obvious that only human, male believers are called a son of God. A son of God does not achieve that and then turns around and commits some gross, wicked act! Sheep are the sons and daughters of God. Goats are the sons and daughters of the devil. So who are the "sons of God" in Gen 6:2,4?
The word "God" in Hebrew is "elohyim." This word means rulers, leaders, judges, divine ones, angels, or gods. This is what Jesus meant in John 10:34, which he referenced from Psa 82:6. This word is always plural. It can also be plural intensive, which means that it is a plural represented as one. In this case, it means god, goddess, godlike one, works or possession of God, the true God or God. In Gen :2,4, the word is plural. We know that these sons were not the offspring of divine ones, angels or gods. So, they were the sons of the rulers or leaders. Leaders of who? The leaders of the godly line. At this point in history, no sons in the godly line were referred to, or called, "sons of God." That came much later. This will become clear when I break down exactly what Gen 6:2,4 means, and what was going on.

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Well, they were tall, as referenced from Numbers 13:33. So they were likely depicted as giants in size.

Furthermore, their name is derived from naphal, which means "to fall," hinting that there may be a reference to a sort of "falling." You disregard Job, but I think that's a helpful reference in this regard, because this interpretation strongly connects with Jude 1:6 that states that there were angels that left their position of authority and proper dwelling. Is that a coincidence? I think not. This is a smooth interpretation if you have no doctrinal convictions to filter it. It is complicated for those who can't accept that ancient history was often embellished, completely disregarding its context in antiquity.

Interestingly, if this interpretation is true, which is very likely, then Genesis 6 may be the closest origin story of the fallen angels that we have in the whole biblical canon.

But, regardless, they were giants, right? There is no evidence in the archaeological records that there ever existed a race of giants, and that includes the Rephaim of Canaan. It sounds mythical either way. We should, instead, benefit from what these stories are teaching us, rather than creating/defending a doctrinal position by eisegesis.
 
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Well, they were tall, as referenced from Numbers 13:33. So they were likely depicted as giants in size.

Furthermore, their name is derived from naphal, which means "to fall," hinting that there may be a reference to a sort of "falling." You disregard Job, but I think that's a helpful reference in this regard, because this interpretation strongly connects with Jude 1:6 that states that there were angels that left their position of authority and proper dwelling. Is that a coincidence? I think not. This is a smooth interpretation if you have no doctrinal convictions to filter it. It is complicated for those who can't accept that ancient history was often embellished, completely disregarding its context in antiquity.

Interestingly, if this interpretation is true, which is very likely, then Genesis 6 may be the closest origin story of the fallen angels that we have in the whole biblical canon.

But, regardless, they were giants, right? There is no evidence in the archaeological records that there ever existed a race of giants, and that includes the Rephaim of Canaan. It sounds mythical either way. We should, instead, benefit from what these stories are teaching us, rather than creating/defending a doctrinal position by eisegesis.

That was part of the lies that the spies told when they came back from exploring the land. The nephilim were all killed in the flood.
 
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That was part of the lies that the spies told when they came back from exploring the land. The nephilim were all killed in the flood.
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward" (Genesis 6:4).

The sins of the spies was not that they lied, but that they discouraged the people with a bad report (Numbers 14:1-4). They caused doubt to fall into the hearts of the congregation, which was detrimental to God's favor (v. 9).
 
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"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward" (Genesis 6:4).

The sins of the spies was not that they lied, but that they discouraged the people with a bad report (Numbers 14:1-4). They caused doubt to fall into the hearts of the congregation, which was detrimental to God's favor (v. 9).

This is addressing the statement
There were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

This verse 6:4 is not saying nephilim survived the flood. What it is saying, is that the nephilim were on the earth afterward (after the sons of God came to the daughters of men). The "also afterward" introduces the phrase when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men. Which repeats the facts of 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

When the Israelite's (Joshua) conquers the promise land there is no mention of them encountering the nephilim.
 
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This is addressing the statement
There were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

This verse 6:4 is not saying nephilim survived the flood. What it is saying, is that the nephilim were on the earth afterward (after the sons of God came to the daughters of men). The "also afterward" introduces the phrase when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men. Which repeats the facts of 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

When the Israelite's (Joshua) conquers the promise land there is no mention of them encountering the nephilim.
It doesn't flow independently.

"Also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them
."

It sounds awkward. Who is "them" without reference to the subject (nephilim)? It appears that "also afterward" is a nonrestrictive clause, which inserts a nonessential interpolation. It makes no sense reading it in the way I quoted it above without connecting it to the first part of the verse. Besides, Numbers 33:13 is sufficient in itself to back this up. How would the spies know what nephilim looked like if they didn't exist post-flood? Also, the texts interjects in parenthesis that Anak were sons of the nephilim, suggesting that they somehow appeared after the Flood. They could be a different kind of nephilim, but even so, Genesis suggests that such a race of people existed in two different time periods, even if they aren't directly related! The nephilim were in those days, and also afterward.
 
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It doesn't flow independently.

"Also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them
."

It sounds awkward. Who is "them" without reference to the subject (nephilim)? It appears that "also afterward" is a nonrestrictive clause, which inserts a nonessential interpolation. It makes no sense reading it in the way I quoted it above without connecting it to the first part of the verse. Besides, Numbers 33:13 is sufficient in itself to back this up. How would the spies know what nephilim looked like if they didn't exist post-flood? Also, the texts interjects in parenthesis that Anak were sons of the nephilim, suggesting that they somehow appeared after the Flood. They could be a different kind of nephilim, but even so, Genesis suggests that such a race of people existed in two different time periods, even if they aren't directly related! The nephilim were in those days, and also afterward.

By Genesis 4:8, Cain has already murdered his brother, Abel, out of jealousy because Abel’s offering was accepted by God but Cain’s was rejected (Gen. 4:3-5). Subsequently, Adam and Eve had another son, Seth, as a “replacement” for Abel. The genealogy of Adam is traced through these two sons.

Cain is the ungodly line and Seth the godly line.

Lamech, from the line of Cain, shows the downward spiritual and moral trajectory that can happen when a family line turns away from God to worldliness and lawlessness. Enoch, from the line of Seth, shows the upward spiritual trajectory that can happen when a family line remains true to God through godliness and faithfulness.

The ungodly descendants of Adam are traced, then, through the line of Cain.

The nephilim were decedents of the line of Cain.
 
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Some may be saying, "If these other men can't figure out who or what the Nephilim were, how can this guy state that they were violent, tyrants, powerful men?" For a number of reasons, first, the Hebrew word Nephilim is not related to the Hebrew words for angel, spirit, or evil spirit. There is nothing about the word that even hints at the supernatural, hybrid being. The word does not mean offspring or children. The fact that it can also be translated as tyrant or bully clearly shows it must describe some type of human being.
Part of the false teaching is that the giants are the offspring of the ungodly sexual union of demons and human women. I'm sorry, I don't see that anywhere in the verse. I guess some people lack basic reading skills. Let's look at the verse,
There were giants in the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
There were giants in the earth in those days. What days are being referred to? "Those days," when the sons of God took wives of all they choose. The giants were already on the earth before the sexual union! The sexual union did not result in the birth of "giants," extremely tall, monstrous hybrids! In many of the ancient pagan cultures around the world is the myth of a race of giants, including the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and the Romans. We even had our own "American" giant, Paul Bunyon, and his giant blue ox Babe. One of the most famous fairy tales is "Jack and the Beanstalk." Let's not forget the Norse, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. The English word "giant," also means a person of great power and influence in a particular arena, "He is a giant in the energy industry," or a person who has made great advances, "She was a giant in medical research," or a person who dominates an area, "He was a giant in the music industry." Yet, what is the first thing people picture when they read the word giant? An extremely tall, fairy tale creature. Many people want to believe that the supernatural is real. Look at certain cartoon characters, that no matter what is done to them, things that should kill them, never die. What are comic book heroes and villains if not gods, goddesses, and demigods? The supernatural and folklore are a big part of the subconscious of many people. People want to believe that "demons" can have physical sex with a human and produce offspring, incubus, and succubus. If the sons of God were fallen angels that had sex with human women, then that would make them incubus, would it not? Where does the idea of incubus come from? Paganism! Many pagan cultures had some form of incubus and succubus. That is why so many people believe the false teaching. They hear it for the first time and they accept the story hook, line, and sinker. They don't bother studying Gen 6:4, no, to them it must be true! Remember, foolish people have the attitude that, "If I believe it, it must be true!"

Who were the sons of God? (Ugh, once again I just heard on the radio, "Put the cookies on the bottom shelf.) The only biblical "proof" that these people can use to show that the "sons of God" are angels is three verses in Job, 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. I have to spend a little time with the book of Job here.
The first set of commentaries I bought was done through mail order, CBD. I had to fill out a paper form with my order, and send it in the mail, along with a check. Two weeks later, the package arrived. After I eagerly tore open the cardboard box, I started scanning through the books. I came across the commentary on Job and remember reading that "Job was not a historical book, but was written as a play, a drama." I of course immediately rejected that notion! (I, who was just beginning to study, lol.) When a person begins to study Scripture and continues to study Scripture for years and years, they discover that things they thought were true are incorrect. They discover things they had no clue about were found in Scripture, they begin to see how everything ties together in Scripture, they begin to connect the dots between the O.T. and N.T., they begin to see between the lines and their study becomes more fruitful, deeper. They begin to see things that were not visible before,
Over time, I also came to the conclusion that Job was not a historical book, but rather a book about God, man, life, and troubles in life, that ends up declaring God's sovereignty! It is presented in a narrative way, telling a story. I won't go into the reasons but want to point out that:
1 Nobody knows when Job was written. It has been placed as having been written before Moses wrote Genesis to as late as the second century B.C.
2 Nobody knows who wrote Job.
3 Nobody knows where it was written.
4 It closely follows the method of storytelling used by pagan nations.
5 There are Hebrew words in Job that are only used in Job.
6 From HAARETZ.com, "Job, possibly the strangest book in the bible, is based on legends going back thousands of years, and is written in a very unusual form of Hebrew....is notoriously difficult to date...In essence, Job is an essay on the problem of evil... (After 2:10) The story then stops being a narrative and takes on a philosophical bent...the story lacks any historical context and no historic individuals are mentioned...
7 There is nothing in the book that tells of the time or place in history.
8 There is no way to put it in the timeline of bible history.
9 It fits nowhere within the plot line of the O.T. bible story.
There is more I can show to prove that Job is not a historical book based on a real man or real events. Since Job is not a historical book means that the "sons of God," in Job, are fictional characters and not actual angels. In the creation story, there is no mention of the angels "shouting for joy" when God created the universe. Who are the "morning stars" in Job 38:7?
In the Tankah, the Jewish bible, the O.T., The Jews classify their bible into three parts, the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings, which includes what is called Wisdom Literature. Job is not treated as a historical book. It is included in the Writings and is considered Wisdom Literature. Don't think I do not value the book of Job! It is very valuable and well worth studying and learning. Much about God's sovereignty is taught in Job!
Nowhere in Scripture does God ever refer to the angels as his "sons."
Heb 1:5, For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, Today I will have fathered you. And in another place, God says, "I will be His father and he will be my son?"
Nowhere in Scripture do the angels ever refer to God as "Father." Nowhere in Scripture does God call any angel His "son."

I want to address another problem with treating the book of Job as a historical event. It has added fuel to the fire that "Santan" is incredibly powerful. From Job, people believe that the devil can control the weather, cause this group of people to attack and kill other people, can afflict people with sickness or disease, and is free to do as he pleases and can "attack" people as he so desires. In English translations, you will find the word Satan used 14 times, Job 1:6,7,8, 9,12, 2:1, 2,3,4,6,7. It is always capitalized. This was done because of personal belief, not based on the Hebrew text. In the original Hebrew, where Satan is used, you will find the Hebrew word "sa an," pronounced "saw-tawn." (You see where the word Satan comes from) Do you know what the word means? It means "adversary." It does not mean a "devil," "evil spirit," or "fallen angel." It has no connection to the spiritual world. This word is always used as a NOUN! NOT A PROPER NOUN! It is not a name! It always has a definite article before it, so, in Hebrew, it always reads, "the adversary." This is not "Satan!" Anyone who has ever translated "the adversary" into the name "Satan" has done this on purpose! This was not an accident or mistake! Just another example of how most English translations are used to promote false teaching, based on how the original texts are translated. Let me give you another example. 2Cor 9:7, ... "for God loves a 'cheerful' giver." Ugh, how many of you, myself included, have been beaten over the head with the idea that a believer should be so very happy about giving money. "Why, you should be giving your money with a big smile on your face!" The Greek word translated into "cheerful" is "hilaros," which leads the false teachers to say, "you should be a hilarious giver." The word does not mean "hilarious!" It means cheerful, joyous OR "prompted to give!", to be willing! Paul was referencing Ex 25:1-2, "And the LORD said to Moses, 'Speak to the children of Israel, that they will bring me an offering: you will take My offering from every man who gives it WILLINGLY with his heart.'" There is no theme throughout Scripture about being a "cheerful" giver! The theme is that when men give money, they decide how much they want to give, as God has prospered him, 1Cor 16:2, and that what they have decided to give, they give it willingly, not reluctantly or with resentment, and not from pressure or compulsion!

We do see the phrase "sons of God" in other parts of Scripture. Who does Scripture call the "sons of God?"
Rom 8:12-16
Gal 3:24-29, 4:6-7.
Eph 1:5
Phi 2:15
1 John 3:1-3, 9-10.

It is obvious that only human, male believers are called a son of God. A son of God does not achieve that and then turns around and commits some gross, wicked act! Sheep are the sons and daughters of God. Goats are the sons and daughters of the devil. So who are the "sons of God" in Gen 6:2,4?
The word "God" in Hebrew is "elohyim." This word means rulers, leaders, judges, divine ones, angels, or gods. This is what Jesus meant in John 10:34, which he referenced from Psa 82:6. This word is always plural. It can also be plural intensive, which means that it is a plural represented as one. In this case, it means god, goddess, godlike one, works or possession of God, the true God or God. In Gen :2,4, the word is plural. We know that these sons were not the offspring of divine ones, angels or gods. So, they were the sons of the rulers or leaders. Leaders of who? The leaders of the godly line. At this point in history, no sons in the godly line were referred to, or called, "sons of God." That came much later. This will become clear when I break down exactly what Gen 6:2,4 means, and what was going on.

End of part two.
It wouldn't be too far reaching to consider the Nephilim as archaic beings, hominids.New DNA research has revealed that modern humans (Homo sapiens) mixed, mingled and mated with other archaic human species. So what is in scripture is now being revealed in science.
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It doesn't flow independently.

"Also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them
."

It sounds awkward. Who is "them" without reference to the subject (nephilim)? It appears that "also afterward" is a nonrestrictive clause, which inserts a nonessential interpolation. It makes no sense reading it in the way I quoted it above without connecting it to the first part of the verse. Besides, Numbers 33:13 is sufficient in itself to back this up. How would the spies know what nephilim looked like if they didn't exist post-flood? Also, the texts interjects in parenthesis that Anak were sons of the nephilim, suggesting that they somehow appeared after the Flood. They could be a different kind of nephilim, but even so, Genesis suggests that such a race of people existed in two different time periods, even if they aren't directly related! The nephilim were in those days, and also afterward.

You still have no nephilim in the land from when Joshua took the land, what did they magically just disappear.

There were people who survived the flood. Unless you like many others see that as just a neat story.
 
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Some may be saying, "If these other men can't figure out who or what the Nephilim were, how can this guy state that they were violent, tyrants, powerful men?" For a number of reasons, first, the Hebrew word Nephilim is not related to the Hebrew words for angel, spirit, or evil spirit. There is nothing about the word that even hints at the supernatural, hybrid being. The word does not mean offspring or children. The fact that it can also be translated as tyrant or bully clearly shows it must describe some type of human being.
Part of the false teaching is that the giants are the offspring of the ungodly sexual union of demons and human women. I'm sorry, I don't see that anywhere in the verse. I guess some people lack basic reading skills. Let's look at the verse,
There were giants in the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
There were giants in the earth in those days. What days are being referred to? "Those days," when the sons of God took wives of all they choose. The giants were already on the earth before the sexual union! The sexual union did not result in the birth of "giants," extremely tall, monstrous hybrids! In many of the ancient pagan cultures around the world is the myth of a race of giants, including the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and the Romans. We even had our own "American" giant, Paul Bunyon, and his giant blue ox Babe. One of the most famous fairy tales is "Jack and the Beanstalk." Let's not forget the Norse, Germans, Japanese and Chinese. The English word "giant," also means a person of great power and influence in a particular arena, "He is a giant in the energy industry," or a person who has made great advances, "She was a giant in medical research," or a person who dominates an area, "He was a giant in the music industry." Yet, what is the first thing people picture when they read the word giant? An extremely tall, fairy tale creature. Many people want to believe that the supernatural is real. Look at certain cartoon characters, that no matter what is done to them, things that should kill them, never die. What are comic book heroes and villains if not gods, goddesses, and demigods? The supernatural and folklore are a big part of the subconscious of many people. People want to believe that "demons" can have physical sex with a human and produce offspring, incubus, and succubus. If the sons of God were fallen angels that had sex with human women, then that would make them incubus, would it not? Where does the idea of incubus come from? Paganism! Many pagan cultures had some form of incubus and succubus. That is why so many people believe the false teaching. They hear it for the first time and they accept the story hook, line, and sinker. They don't bother studying Gen 6:4, no, to them it must be true! Remember, foolish people have the attitude that, "If I believe it, it must be true!"

Who were the sons of God? (Ugh, once again I just heard on the radio, "Put the cookies on the bottom shelf.) The only biblical "proof" that these people can use to show that the "sons of God" are angels is three verses in Job, 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. I have to spend a little time with the book of Job here.
The first set of commentaries I bought was done through mail order, CBD. I had to fill out a paper form with my order, and send it in the mail, along with a check. Two weeks later, the package arrived. After I eagerly tore open the cardboard box, I started scanning through the books. I came across the commentary on Job and remember reading that "Job was not a historical book, but was written as a play, a drama." I of course immediately rejected that notion! (I, who was just beginning to study, lol.) When a person begins to study Scripture and continues to study Scripture for years and years, they discover that things they thought were true are incorrect. They discover things they had no clue about were found in Scripture, they begin to see how everything ties together in Scripture, they begin to connect the dots between the O.T. and N.T., they begin to see between the lines and their study becomes more fruitful, deeper. They begin to see things that were not visible before,
Over time, I also came to the conclusion that Job was not a historical book, but rather a book about God, man, life, and troubles in life, that ends up declaring God's sovereignty! It is presented in a narrative way, telling a story. I won't go into the reasons but want to point out that:
1 Nobody knows when Job was written. It has been placed as having been written before Moses wrote Genesis to as late as the second century B.C.
2 Nobody knows who wrote Job.
3 Nobody knows where it was written.
4 It closely follows the method of storytelling used by pagan nations.
5 There are Hebrew words in Job that are only used in Job.
6 From HAARETZ.com, "Job, possibly the strangest book in the bible, is based on legends going back thousands of years, and is written in a very unusual form of Hebrew....is notoriously difficult to date...In essence, Job is an essay on the problem of evil... (After 2:10) The story then stops being a narrative and takes on a philosophical bent...the story lacks any historical context and no historic individuals are mentioned...
7 There is nothing in the book that tells of the time or place in history.
8 There is no way to put it in the timeline of bible history.
9 It fits nowhere within the plot line of the O.T. bible story.
There is more I can show to prove that Job is not a historical book based on a real man or real events. Since Job is not a historical book means that the "sons of God," in Job, are fictional characters and not actual angels. In the creation story, there is no mention of the angels "shouting for joy" when God created the universe. Who are the "morning stars" in Job 38:7?
In the Tankah, the Jewish bible, the O.T., The Jews classify their bible into three parts, the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings, which includes what is called Wisdom Literature. Job is not treated as a historical book. It is included in the Writings and is considered Wisdom Literature. Don't think I do not value the book of Job! It is very valuable and well worth studying and learning. Much about God's sovereignty is taught in Job!
Nowhere in Scripture does God ever refer to the angels as his "sons."
Heb 1:5, For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, Today I will have fathered you. And in another place, God says, "I will be His father and he will be my son?"
Nowhere in Scripture do the angels ever refer to God as "Father." Nowhere in Scripture does God call any angel His "son."

I want to address another problem with treating the book of Job as a historical event. It has added fuel to the fire that "Santan" is incredibly powerful. From Job, people believe that the devil can control the weather, cause this group of people to attack and kill other people, can afflict people with sickness or disease, and is free to do as he pleases and can "attack" people as he so desires. In English translations, you will find the word Satan used 14 times, Job 1:6,7,8, 9,12, 2:1, 2,3,4,6,7. It is always capitalized. This was done because of personal belief, not based on the Hebrew text. In the original Hebrew, where Satan is used, you will find the Hebrew word "sa an," pronounced "saw-tawn." (You see where the word Satan comes from) Do you know what the word means? It means "adversary." It does not mean a "devil," "evil spirit," or "fallen angel." It has no connection to the spiritual world. This word is always used as a NOUN! NOT A PROPER NOUN! It is not a name! It always has a definite article before it, so, in Hebrew, it always reads, "the adversary." This is not "Satan!" Anyone who has ever translated "the adversary" into the name "Satan" has done this on purpose! This was not an accident or mistake! Just another example of how most English translations are used to promote false teaching, based on how the original texts are translated. Let me give you another example. 2Cor 9:7, ... "for God loves a 'cheerful' giver." Ugh, how many of you, myself included, have been beaten over the head with the idea that a believer should be so very happy about giving money. "Why, you should be giving your money with a big smile on your face!" The Greek word translated into "cheerful" is "hilaros," which leads the false teachers to say, "you should be a hilarious giver." The word does not mean "hilarious!" It means cheerful, joyous OR "prompted to give!", to be willing! Paul was referencing Ex 25:1-2, "And the LORD said to Moses, 'Speak to the children of Israel, that they will bring me an offering: you will take My offering from every man who gives it WILLINGLY with his heart.'" There is no theme throughout Scripture about being a "cheerful" giver! The theme is that when men give money, they decide how much they want to give, as God has prospered him, 1Cor 16:2, and that what they have decided to give, they give it willingly, not reluctantly or with resentment, and not from pressure or compulsion!

We do see the phrase "sons of God" in other parts of Scripture. Who does Scripture call the "sons of God?"
Rom 8:12-16
Gal 3:24-29, 4:6-7.
Eph 1:5
Phi 2:15
1 John 3:1-3, 9-10.

It is obvious that only human, male believers are called a son of God. A son of God does not achieve that and then turns around and commits some gross, wicked act! Sheep are the sons and daughters of God. Goats are the sons and daughters of the devil. So who are the "sons of God" in Gen 6:2,4?
The word "God" in Hebrew is "elohyim." This word means rulers, leaders, judges, divine ones, angels, or gods. This is what Jesus meant in John 10:34, which he referenced from Psa 82:6. This word is always plural. It can also be plural intensive, which means that it is a plural represented as one. In this case, it means god, goddess, godlike one, works or possession of God, the true God or God. In Gen :2,4, the word is plural. We know that these sons were not the offspring of divine ones, angels or gods. So, they were the sons of the rulers or leaders. Leaders of who? The leaders of the godly line. At this point in history, no sons in the godly line were referred to, or called, "sons of God." That came much later. This will become clear when I break down exactly what Gen 6:2,4 means, and what was going on.

End of part two.
The fact that something is of "pagan" origin, tells us nothing about its value. Literacy among "pagans" is thousands of years older than the Bible. So maybe, given the pagan origin of literacy, you should avoid being literate.

About this:

Since Job is not a historical book means that the "sons of God," in Job, are fictional characters and not actual angels. In the creation story, there is no mention of the angels "shouting for joy" when God created the universe.
"The Robe" is a novel, a work of fiction. Jesus is a character in it. By your reasoning, Jesus must therefore be a fiction. It is entirely normal for real characters to appear in works of fiction.

As for the absence of the "sons of God" from the creation narrative in Genesis, it is perfectly possible that the author of Genesis 38 was familiar with different traditions about creation.
 
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By Genesis 4:8, Cain has already murdered his brother, Abel, out of jealousy because Abel’s offering was accepted by God but Cain’s was rejected (Gen. 4:3-5). Subsequently, Adam and Eve had another son, Seth, as a “replacement” for Abel. The genealogy of Adam is traced through these two sons.

Cain is the ungodly line and Seth the godly line.

Lamech, from the line of Cain, shows the downward spiritual and moral trajectory that can happen when a family line turns away from God to worldliness and lawlessness. Enoch, from the line of Seth, shows the upward spiritual trajectory that can happen when a family line remains true to God through godliness and faithfulness.

The ungodly descendants of Adam are traced, then, through the line of Cain.

The nephilim were decedents of the line of Cain.
This is speculation. If we look at the opening of the chapter, we read:

Genesis 6:1 "When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them..."

Where is Cain mentioned? The narrator is clearly referring to humanity. We must accept what it says as it says.
 
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You still have no nephilim in the land from when Joshua took the land, what did they magically just disappear.

There were people who survived the flood. Unless you like many others see that as just a neat story.
You're neglecting the main point. How does a moral people produce a race of giants through sexual union with immoral people? It doesn't make sense, otherwise we should be seeing nephilim in the present day. They are an anomaly as explained in the text by an unusual union.
 
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It wouldn't be too far reaching to consider the Nephilim as archaic beings, hominids.New DNA research has revealed that modern humans (Homo sapiens) mixed, mingled and mated with other archaic human species. So what is in scripture is now being revealed in science.
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I was thinking about this, but modern humans were taller than our ancient relatives. There may be more hominid species we haven't discovered yet, or the earliest admixture with the Neanderthals produced unusual sizes of the two's offspring.
 
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You're neglecting the main point. How does a moral people produce a race of giants through sexual union with immoral people? It doesn't make sense, otherwise we should be seeing nephilim in the present day. They are an anomaly as explained in the text by an unusual union.

The Hebrew never states they were giants. The Hebrew of nephilim simply means fallen ones.

The Greek translation used for the Septuagint a word (gigentes = titans) that they used for half god half man. So that is where the incorrect idea that they were giants came from.
 
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Why is everyone so concerned with these "nephilim" anyway? They don't appear to have anyting to do with the Christian Faith at all. Half angel, half human, I don't half care. Our Lord didn't say a doggone thing about them, so they don't signify.
 
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Polygamy as Lamech describes creates a culture of violent competitive males.This kind of environment naturally selects larger and larger males because they are not likely to be among the men left out of the gene pool.
Noah's family carried that genetic heritage into the new age .
 
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