The narrow way?

[jrlinz]

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Sorry, I did not see the question mark.

I will answer the question with a question: How long have you known the Lord? Do you still allow the flesh to rule in the same area's and quantity that you did the day you first got saved?

20 years, and not even close. But, things still come up that I know are not pleasing to God. Sure they are much "smaller", if you will.

 

[jrlinz]

20 years, and not even close. But, things still come up that I know are not pleasing to God. Sure they are much "smaller", if you will.

BUT, I think it important for you to know that I feel you did not answer the question at all.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

20 years, and not even close. But, things still come up that I know are not pleasing to God. Sure they are much "smaller", if you will.

Of course things come up...else there would be nothing to overcome. And instead of claiming that "I am conquered" we should say, as scripture says, "I am more than a conquerer". Sin no longer REIGNS in me. It still may be present in my flesh, in small doses, but it does not REIGN! I win more frequently than the flesh does.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

BUT, I think it important for you to know that I feel you did not answer the question at all.

You answered my question, therefore answering yours.

 

[Dave01]

Of course things come up...else there would be nothing to overcome. And instead of claiming that "I am conquered" we should say, as scripture says, "I am more than a conquerer". Sin no longer REIGNS in me. It still may be present in my flesh, in small doses, but it does not REIGN!

This is true, we now have dominion over it whereas before we were dominated by it.

That don't mean we can't sin though.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

This is true, we now have dominion over it whereas before we were dominated by it.

That don't mean we can't sin though.

The Christ who lives in you cannot sin. We can choose to give into the flesh. But Christ, living in you CANNOT SIN.

 

[jrlinz]

You answered my question, therefore answering yours.

So,whatever I believe, that is what you believe? I am missing something in your reply, Quaffer. Whatever I answer, that is the answer to what you believe?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

You said

20 years, and not even close. But, things still come up that I know are not pleasing to God. Sure they are much "smaller", if you will.

I agree!

That's my final answer.

 

[Dave01]

The Christ who lives in you cannot sin. We can choose to give into the flesh. But Christ, living in you CANNOT SIN.

Did I say that The Holy Spirit was leading me or anyone to sin?

I happen to be in agreement with you. Some of our most Spirit-filled folks today and in the past made some of the most sinful decisions on their parts, hence why we are not perfect.

Our only perfect example was Jesus.

 

[jrlinz]

Thank you. I really do mean that.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Did I say that The Holy Spirit was leading me or anyone to sin?

I happen to be in agreement with you. Some of our most Spirit-filled folks today and in the past made some of the most sinful decisions on their parts, hence why we are not perfect.

Our only perfect example was Jesus.

I was only responding to the post, not accusing you or anyone else of anything.

 

[Dave01]

I was only responding to the post, not accusing you or anyone else of anything.

No it's ok, I seen you getting into capitols there, so I just wanted to clarify myself to you, that we are not disagreeing.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I believe that when our most Spirit-filled folks of today allowed themselves to dwell on the desires of the flesh that is what led them to sucumb to them. They were not walking in the Spirit way before they actually fell.

 

[Dave01]

I believe that when our most Spirit-filled folks of today allowed themselves to dwell on the desires of the flesh that is what led them to sucumb to them. They were not walking in the Spirit way before they actually fell.

If that was so, then why did Aimee Semple Mcpherson do some of the things she did while serving The Lord with a healing ministry?

Why has Benny Hinn made some of the more incorrect decisions on his part at times, while serving The Lord with a healing ministry?

These are people walking in The Holy Spirit and making wrong decisions, it is not hard to see. History is repleat with how we can be led astray by satan if we are not careful. Not everything is of the flesh, we can't forget him and his tricks.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

We are to base our beliefs on what the Word says, not how other people live it out. Galatians 6:8 says, "For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Personally, I don't believe a poor decision is the same thing as corruption. It is not a sin to misunderstand what God has said. According to the Word, if one is reaping corruption, that is what they have sown.

It's impossible to walk in the Spirit and reap corruption.

If one is consistently missing it and making bad decisions then they are not walking in the Spirit. Spiritual gifts are not indicators of how a person is walking in the Spirit. Remember there will be many who say to the Lord, "but we did this in your name and we did that in your name. We healed the sick, the lame walked, etc." It says His response will be "depart from me, I never knew you."

Now in saying that, I'm not saying that these people you mentioned are not believers but their spiritual gifts are not indicators of their walk with God. God used a donkey once and as far as I know it had no other spiritual gifts to speak of. God uses willing vessels to do what He needs to do. Those vessels may be redeemed or unredeemed (such as the donkey) yet in His hands they accomplish what He wants. It is all God and has nothing whatsoever to do with the vessel. There are many vessels...such as a donkey.

 

[Christina M]

BUT, I think it important for you to know that I feel you did not answer the question at all.

Trust me, jrlinz....

I have asked the same question here several times since I have been here.... I have BEGGED & PLEADED just one to answer it...... you will NOT get a OSAS to give you an direct answer. They cannot/will not give a direct answer. They dance around it cryptically, even to the point of accusations of OSNAS being graceless, legalistic and judgmental.

If you read The Myth of Eternal Security you will see it is a common ploy of OSAS proponents.


IMO it proves further that OSAS is false.

 

[probinson]

Quaffer, DOD, CharityAgape, If I were saved today, gave my life to God, accepted Jesus' sacrifice, and slept with a woman otherthan my wife tomorrow, I would be sinning?

This question was not addressed to me, but I will attempt to answer.

No. YOU would not be sinning if you had truly given your life to God and accepted Jesus' sacrifice. What you would be doing is giving into your flesh, which is NOT you.

Does this mean I'm advocating sleeping with other women? Uh, no. It means that just like Paul, you have to overcome your flesh, but the real you is not sinning. You are caving in to the sin nature inside of your flesh, but if you are God's, YOU are not sinning.

When that lustful thought that you keep referencing tries to come to the real you, what do you do? Do you embrace it, or do you quickly rebuke it?

Some people think that this is splitting hairs, but I don't believe it is. The Bible is clear in 1 John 3:9 that if we are born of God, we CAN NOT sin. To understand this, we must understand that our spirit, or the real us, is incapable of sinning, even though we may have to battle with our flesh. But we can put our flesh under. As others have said, God would not have told us to do something we could not accomplish.

Now I have answered the unanswerable question with a direct answer.

 

[charityagape]

This question was not addressed to me, but I will attempt to answer.

No. YOU would not be sinning if you had truly given your life to God and accepted Jesus' sacrifice. What you would be doing is giving into your flesh, which is NOT you.

Does this mean I'm advocating sleeping with other women? Uh, no. It means that just like Paul, you have to overcome your flesh, but the real you is not sinning. You are caving in to the sin nature inside of your flesh, but if you are God's, YOU are not sinning.

When that lustful thought that you keep referencing tries to come to the real you, what do you do? Do you embrace it, or do you quickly rebuke it?

Some people think that this is splitting hairs, but I don't believe it is. The Bible is clear in 1 John 3:9 that if we are born of God, we CAN NOT sin. To understand this, we must understand that our spirit, or the real us, is incapable of sinning, even though we may have to battle with our flesh. But we can put our flesh under. As others have said, God would not have told us to do something we could not accomplish.

Now I have answered the unanswerable question with a direct answer.

Good direct answer. No .

 

[jrlinz]

So, Mr. Haggard was not guilty of sin before the Father when his indescretions occurred?

 

[probinson]

So, Mr. Haggard was not guilty of sin before the Father when his indescretions occurred?

I believe that is correct.

Though we do not know what Mr. Haggard's indiscretions were for sure, we do know that Mr, Haggard, much like Paul, felt disgust at his flesh. However, Mr. Haggard's spirit, the real Mr. Haggard, was not guilty of sin. What he was guilty of was allowing his flesh to dominate him.