The narrow way?

[~RENEE~]

Ok baby cared for.

1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If your flesh was saved you wouldn't have problems with would you? NO! But we do have problems with this flesh. Yes we can make it listen and behave. Jesus did. But the fact that it tries to act up once in while means that it is not saved. I will go on to say that the flesh will never be saved.

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.

Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

This flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God. This flesh corruptible flesh will be changed. Why does it need to be changed. Because it will not be saved. In your flesh is

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

It is by His spirit that we will inherit the Kingdom of God and it is His spirit that we can overcome the flesh.So you see as long as we are in this flesh we will not be perfect. But we are to strive for perfection in our spirit it is the spirit that is saved. And it is the spirit that will inherit the kingdom of God. Not the flesh.

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

Ok baby cared for.


If your flesh was saved you wouldn't have problems with would you? NO! But we do have problems with this flesh. Yes we can make it listen and behave. Jesus did. But the fact that it tries to act up once in while means that it is not saved. I will go on to say that the flesh will never be saved.







This flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God. This flesh corruptible flesh will be changed. Why does it need to be changed. Because it will not be saved. In your flesh is



It is by His spirit that we will inherit the Kingdom of God and it is His spirit that we can overcome the flesh.So you see as long as we are in this flesh we will not be perfect. But we are to strive for perfection in our spirit it is the spirit that is saved. And it is the spirit that will inherit the kingdom of God. Not the flesh.

I still do not know what "flesh saved" means... since there is nothing like that in scripture.

But the scripture does say you can overcome the flesh:

The "lust of the flesh" and the "lust of the eye" and the "pride of life" can be "overcome" here by faith.

That is what scripture says.


The world:

1 John 2:15-16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

You can be victorious and overcome the world (lust of the flesh, lust of the eye, the pride of life) by faith:

1 John 5:4
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

That means siding with what the word says.
If He says you can overcome the lust of the flesh and be victorious... then you can.
If He says you can overcome the lust of the eye and be victorious... then you can.
If He says you can overcome the pride of life and be victorious... then you can.

But in order to do it you have to side with the word and NOT the world. BELIEVE God and you will be victorious.
If you only believe your experiences and the experiences of others, you will never live beyond those experiences. You will never overcome.

 

[JimfromOhio]

James 2:17-20
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Pretty clear huh?

In Galatians 6:3 says "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself." And in James 1:26 says, "If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless."

Truth is, the Holy Spirit is able to grasp our inner being only when we submit completely which will allow Him to teach us, lead us mysterious and divine where we ought to go. Christ in me does not mean that I am no longer without sin. My old sinful nature is not ripped out from my heart. Christ is in my heart and with the help from the Holy Spirit, Christ changing me from the inside and lives through me as I live daily under His encouragements. "Inner Being" means the Holy Spirit is IN you as a new creature. The Greek word for "dwells" is okv (oike), which means "I inhabit." "If Christ is in us, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (Romans 8:10). We need to be looking at our adequacy in the Holy Spirit, which will always be in us Who supplies us limitless GRACE so we can live in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness......... Ephesians 6:14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, Ephesians 4:24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

We are not righteousness unless we live and walk in NEW CREATURE.

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

In Galatians 6:3 says "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself." And in James 1:26 says, "If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless."

Truth is, the Holy Spirit is able to grasp our inner being only when we submit completely which will allow Him to teach us, lead us mysterious and divine where we ought to go. Christ in me does not mean that I am no longer without sin. My old sinful nature is not ripped out from my heart. Christ is in my heart and with the help from the Holy Spirit, Christ changing me from the inside and lives through me as I live daily under His encouragements. "Inner Being" means the Holy Spirit is IN you as a new creature. The Greek word for "dwells" is okv (oike), which means "I inhabit." "If Christ is in us, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (Romans 8:10). We need to be looking at our adequacy in the Holy Spirit, which will always be in us Who supplies us limitless GRACE so we can live in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness......... Ephesians 6:14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, Ephesians 4:24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

We are not righteousness unless we live and walk in NEW CREATURE.

True... and that is exactly what we are saying...
CONGRATS!!!

 

[~RENEE~]

The whole idea behind this

yes we are to strive for perfection. true perfection cannot be obtained till we reach the other side of our journey. But we are to strive.

is because we are still in the flesh. The flesh will never be saved that is why it needs to be changed

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,

in order for us to be perfect this flesh would either need to be saved or changed. It will not be changed here.

So then perfection cannot be completely obtained here.

Yes we can over come the flesh and make it behave. But it will not be changed here.

If you still cannot understand this then I know of no other way to explain it.

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

The whole idea behind this is because we are still in the flesh. The flesh will never be saved that is why it needs to be changed in order for us to be perfect this flesh would either need to be saved or changed. It will not be changed here.

So then perfection cannot be completely obtained here.

Yes we can over come the flesh and make it behave. But it will not be changed here.

If you still cannot understand this then I know of no other way to explain it.

Nobody said our flesh would be perfect.... at least not I.
I did say(as scripture says) that you can overcome the flesh by faith and that your walk can be perfect.
Flesh perfect???
Straw man.

 

[JimfromOhio]

True... and that is exactly what we are saying...
CONGRATS!!!

Well.. it was NOT how you were saying. I still disagree what you have been saying.

We may "appear" to agree but I don't think we got to the foundation of true righteousness doctrine.

 

[TreeOfLife]

The narrow way is accepting that Jesus paid it for you. You can't earn it, you can't be worthy of it, you absolutely do not deserve it. That is the narrow way, anything less is mental rubbish.

Some of my best friends flounder in the garbage dumps of that yet today.

I love them still.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Jim, I think that we are agreeing more than you realize. Righteousness is righteousness. If we are, then we do not sin in our "knower"( as one of my Pastors use to say). The flesh may not always coincide but in our being (that lives in the box of the flesh) we are righteous

 

[TreeOfLife]

Jim, I think that we are agreeing more than you realize. Righteousness is righteousness. If we are, then we do not sin in our "knower"( as one of my Pastors use to say). The flesh may not always coincide but in our being (that lives in the box of the flesh) we are righteous

Yes Ma'am. Knowing it makes it that much harder to get our feet washed.

I don't know about anyone else, but it's real hard for me to let the King of the universe wash my feet.

 

[Christina M]

If you still cannot understand this then I know of no other way to explain it.

Sweetie...

Don't let anyone here bully you... or mock you!

They will be held responsible before the Lord for all this crud.

You know what God has told you.... the Spirit speaks.

Don't give up on your beliefs... God is pleased with you!

 

[~RENEE~]

Sweetie...

Don't let anyone here bully you... or mock you!

They will be held responsible before the Lord for all this crud.

You know what God has told you.... the Spirit speaks.

Don't give up on your beliefs... God is pleased with you!

Thank you Christina

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

Sweetie...

Don't let anyone here bully you... or mock you!

They will be held responsible before the Lord for all this crud.

You know what God has told you.... the Spirit speaks.

Don't give up on your beliefs... God is pleased with you!

Why do you hurt me so sister?
I have not wronged you...

 

[TreeOfLife]

Sweetie...

Don't let anyone here bully you... or mock you!

They will be held responsible before the Lord for all this crud.

You know what God has told you.... the Spirit speaks.

Don't give up on your beliefs... God is pleased with you!

And then what was the mission of the Christ? To point the way to righteousness? Wrong! To condemn the sinners? Wrong! Ask yourself, what was the mission of the Messiah?

Your self righteousness is the spirit of anti-christ. Repent while there is time.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Here we go again.

 

[Christina M]

Why do you hurt me so sister?
I have not wronged you...

Dids, I love you, man....

But why do YOU hurt and mock those who believe being a Christian is more than just saying a sinner's prayer once in your life?

God's Word is full of conditions.... NT, not only OT.

Obedience to the Word is NOT "works"... obedience is the utmost in love for the Lord.

Yet those of us who believe the Word is very clear that the road IS narrow are viciously, mockingly attacked here...... so yes, you have wounded many.

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

Dids, I love you, man....

But why do YOU hurt and mock those who believe being a Christian is more than just saying a sinner's prayer once in your life?

God's Word is full of conditions.... NT, not only OT.

Obedience to the Word is NOT "works"... obedience is the utmost in love for the Lord.

Yet those of us who believe the Word is very clear that the road IS narrow are viciously, mockingly attacked here...... so yes, you have wounded many.

Apparently you have not been reading my posts in this thread or the several other have started on the topic of holiness and righteousness before God.

If you have time maybe you will.
That is ok if you do not.

But you have judged me wrongly.

 

[Tamara224]

Thread reopened.

Everyone please stick to the topic of the OP and please treat one another with respect and love. Thank you.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Reading through the last few posts I'm pretty confused as to how it got to the point it got. From what I could see no one was being bullied or mocked, only questioned as to the meaning of termonology that had never been even alluded to in any other posts.

I too do not understand the term "flesh being saved". As Dids stated we are told to "overcome" the flesh and not allow the flesh to dictate the way we walk with God. The soul is saved. The flesh will die and return to dust. It does not need saving.

I do not believe that I am required to sin every day. Appairently there are others who feel they must...ok...well...thats your perogative, I guess. Although I believe it totally contradicts God Himself. I believe the flesh is weak and when not in submission to the Holy Spirit does succumb....especially if one believes they have no control over their flesh. LOL. It kind of reminds me of when one of my boys stuck his foot out and purposely tripped the other one. I ask, "why did you trip him?". "I don't know, it just happened". It makes no sense.

I just think if we'd keep our eyes on Jesus, who is the author and finisher of our faith we most likely would not have the time for the flesh to do anything other than live in submission to Him. Yes, people can CHOOSE to not do that but it is a choice, not a happening that they have no control of. We need to teach people they CAN live right. Not, we're not supposed to continue to sin but everybody knows that's inpossible so just remember that if you do then fall all over yourself repenting and begging for forgiveness and then get up and try again. But don't really expect that you're ever accomplish what God has told you to do. And that's OK 'cause He knows that what He's asked is too much for you and He does not really expect you to live up to it".

Yea, I'm being facitious but that really is what it sounds like to me.

 

[~RENEE~]

Reading through the last few posts I'm pretty confused as to how it got to the point it got.

I too do not understand the term "flesh being saved". As Dids stated we are told to "overcome" the flesh and not allow the flesh to dictate the way we walk with God. The soul is saved. The flesh will die and return to dust. It does not need saving.

I am not explaining it again I have explained it to the best of my ability go back and read what I said. And leave it at that.