the myth of flat earth debunked again

[Strong in Him]

Wrong, it would make a great difference to whole world & to everyone who is alive.

Teachers- Schools/ Universities etc
Scientist's - Science books/ Physics
All who work for NASA & the likes of
Astrologist's
NASA's budget
Deceivers/leaders/liars
Historians
Cartographer's etc, etc, etc.

They would have to change text books, what they taught etc; I doubt it would make any difference to their actual lives. Except, maybe, for a few mean minded people pointing the finger and saying, "you were wrong."
But that's possibly happened after every great discovery since the dawn of time.

As for the masses most would begin to take the Bible literally & come to the Lord by the droves & billions and billions would become saved by the grace of our Lord 'Jesus Christ'.

Rubbish.
You, yourself, have correctly said that this cannot be proved from the Bible.

Are you really saying that thousands of non Christians who don't believe that God even exists, or who do but have not accepted Jesus, do not follow Jesus' teachings and are still in their sin, could be told "the earth is flat" and suddenly say "oh, Jesus is my Saviour; I repent of my sinful lifestyle and am going to follow him"?
If that were the case, why has no one done it before? Why aren't you out there converting the world, having people fall at your feet, begging to become disciples?

You can see now, as to why I am a flat earther.

No, I can't see that at all.
You have agreed that it's not taught in the Bible, that it can't affect our salvation and that you can't even prove it.

You believe something which is not Scriptural and which you can't prove.
I can't see the reason for that belief, no.

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[Ophiolite]

I participate in the forum in order to hold discussions with other members, not to watch apparently random YouTube videos. Please summarise the arguments of these in your own words, stating their relevance to this thread.

 

[Ophiolite]

There are no alien races populating other planets. There isn't even bacteria.

I offer no evidence that you are mistaken, but you offer no evidence that you are correct. I assert we currently lack the data to decide either way.

 

[prodromos]

I offer no evidence that you are mistaken, but you offer no evidence that you are correct. I assert we currently lack the data to decide either way.

Well, we haven't found bacteria in any of the extraterrestrial samples we've brought back, and given how life would not exist on earth if any one of a number of factors were out by just a small amount, the chance that any of the stars nearest us have planets capable of supporting life are incredibly small, and even if there was life out there, it is too far for anything to travel without fictional wormholes, so we would never know.

 

[Ophiolite]

Well, we haven't found bacteria in any of the extraterrestrial samples we've brought back, and given how life would not exist on earth if any one of a number of factors were out by just a small amount, the chance that any of the stars nearest us have planets capable of supporting life are incredibly small, and even if there was life out there, it is too far for anything to travel without fictional wormholes, so we would never know.

I remind you that your claim was an absolute "There are no alien races populating other planets. There isn't even bacteria."

We have brought back very few samples, all of which likely have their origin in this planetary system. Finding bacteria would have been unexpected. The volume of space we have not brought samples back from is in comparison almost infinite. I don't think that's a good sample ratio on which to base an absolute statement.

Given what we have learned about extremophiles in the last couple of decades it turns out that the constraints on life are a lot fewer than we had imagined. Notice, I'm addressing bacteria. Intelligent alien races have tighter limits.

You say "the chance that any of the stars nearest us have planets capable of supporting life are incredibly small." So, you've moved the goal posts from no life whatsoever, to no life in (astronomically) nearby systems.

I'll concede, for sake of argument, that we do not currently know all we need to know to travel to other stars. (Though there are several serious proposals on how this could be done.) However, you ignore the possibility that communication by radio, or other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are possible. So, that argument also falls.

My point - if you had just said, "I think it unlikely that there are any alien races out there close enough for us to be aware of", then - if I had responded at all - I would simply have said, "Perhaps, but I don't think we know enough even to say that."

 

[Ophiolite]

And no one has circumnavigated the globe from north to south or south to north,

Only of you discount Michael Palin. Perhaps you think it was just a Monty Python sketch.
Pole to Pole with Michael Palin

 

[Apple Sky]

I participate in the forum in order to hold discussions with other members, not to watch apparently random YouTube videos. Please summarise the arguments of these in your own words, stating their relevance to this thread.

Read the thread,

 

[prodromos]

My point - if you had just said, "I think it unlikely that there are any alien races out there close enough for us to be aware of", then - if I had responded at all - I would simply have said, "Perhaps, but I don't think we know enough even to say that."

Its a good point. I should have worded things differently but I've never been particularly good at expressing myself in writing.

 

[prodromos]

We are not a random rock floating through an endless chaotic void of exploding matter created by a big bang billions of years ago.

You are arguing a strawman. I don't believe the above, and I haven't met a Christian who does.

 

[prodromos]

Come to terms now with the childlike, biblical worldview of the flat earth if you want to not fall for the deception.

How about you deal with the facts that prove the earth is a globe.

• Flights that exist between cities in the Southern Hemisphere are impossible on a flat earth.
• The higher your elevation, the more the horizon drops below eye level. On a flat earth the horizon would always be at eye level.
• The moon and constellations are inverted when viewed from the Southern Hemisphere as opposed to the Northern Hemisphere. Impossible if the earth is flat but consistent with the globe.
• Multiple people have crossed Antarctica via the South pole.

If you can provide a reasonable explanation for all the above that is consistent with a flat earth model then perhaps I will give you the time of day, otherwise your posts are simply noise.

 

[Apple Sky]

How about you deal with the facts that prove the earth is a globe.

I wouldn't waste my time, not even if you paid me.

 

[Ophiolite]

Read the thread,

I've read the thread. If you thought the videos important enough to post, then you can take the time to summarise them in your own words and state their relevance to discussions within the thread. Thank you.

 

[Ophiolite]

Its a good point. I should have worded things differently but I've never been particularly good at expressing myself in writing.

No problem. I just have a thing about absolutes. There are probably some things that one can say with absolute certainty, but their numbers do not seem to be large. (Notice the caveats. )
There is an interesting book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Rare in the Universe. The authors conclude that while microbial life may be quite abundant, more complex life, especially intelligent beings akin to humans will be very rare. I remain unconvinced by any arguments in either direction, but the value of the book is that is does a good job of objectively setting out the various factors involved.
It's almost a quarter century old now, but I think it stands up quite well. If anyone has a more recent equivalent (whatever its conclusion) I'd be interested to here of it.

 

[Apple Sky]

I've read the thread. If you thought the videos important enough to post, then you can take the time to summarise them in your own words and state their relevance to discussions within the thread. Thank you.

Okay - In this thread I have mentioned many times the existence of the firmament/Dome that we on earth all live under, but it has been refuted here in this thread. These videos get my point across.

 

[prodromos]

I wouldn't waste my time, not even if you paid me.

That is fairly typical of flat earthers. Since you are unable to explain the above you resort to other tactics such as this. Your posts are also just noise.

 

[Ophiolite]

Okay - In this thread I have mentioned many times the existence of the firmament/Dome that we on earth all live under, but it has been refuted here in this thread. These videos get my point across.

Thank you. I would have preferred an executive summary, but I appreciate you going this far. I shall take a look at at least the first video of the three.

 

[prodromos]

Okay - In this thread I have mentioned many times the existence of the firmament/Dome that we on earth all live under, but it has been refuted here in this thread. These videos get my point across.

So he is just another deluded person who ignores the fact that we regularly send craft beyond the earth's atmosphere without encountering any kind of "firmament". Why do you expect anyone to take him seriously?

 

[Apple Sky]

So he is just another deluded person who ignores the fact that we regularly send craft beyond the earth's atmosphere without encountering any kind of "firmament". Why do you expect anyone to take him seriously?

A man of God - Yes

 

[Apple Sky]

Thank you. I would have preferred an executive summary, but I appreciate you going this far. I shall take a look at at least the first video of the three.

Thank You.