The Music Thread

[Princessdi]

Example: "the earth is the Lord's: the world and they that dwell therein". He owns the cattle on a thousand hills" IOW God owns everything here on this earth.

The wood from trees are used in sacrifices for the worshippers of satan. What does have the tree to do with that? And does that make the tree any less God's creation? I bet if you have a fireplace you still burn wood in there, right? You ownt' stop becuase somebody uses it in a way that does not bring praise, worship, honro or glory to God, right? Same thing! You using that wood to warm your family had absoolutely nothing to do with the fact that somebody else uses it to worship satan.

What does how someone else uses music have to do with the way you use it in praise and worship to God? God placed or allowed everything on this earth, gave us 5 senses and a brain to choose to serve Hin with our measure of all of these things plus our gifts and talents.

Satan tempts us, takes, us, uses us, and them discards us, and we go willingly, at time in open rebellion.......but God, like the father in the Prodigal Son not only doesn't disown or discard us, he is standing waiting for us to return.

 

[Joe67]

Example: "the earth is the Lord's: the world and they that dwell therein". He owns the cattle on a thousand hills" IOW God owns everything here on this earth.

The wood from trees are used in sacrifices for the worshippers of satan. What does have the tree to do with that? And does that make the tree any less God's creation? I bet if you have a fireplace you still burn wood in there, right? You ownt' stop becuase somebody uses it in a way that does not bring praise, worship, honro or glory to God, right? Same thing! You using that wood to warm your family had absoolutely nothing to do with the fact that somebody else uses it to worship satan.

What does how someone else uses music have to do with the way you use it in praise and worship to God? God placed or allowed everything on this earth, gave us 5 senses and a brain to choose to serve Hin with our measure of all of these things plus our gifts and talents.

Satan tempts us, takes, us, uses us, and them discards us, and we go willingly, at time in open rebellion.......but God, like the father in the Prodigal Son not only doesn't disown or discard us, he is standing waiting for us to return.

Princessdi,

Truly, sound, the movement/vibration of air, is like wood. Some shape it for idolatry.

Isa 44:14-20

14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.

15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand? KJV

Joe

 

[Princessdi]

Right, so what are you are going to stop breathing air, don't stand in the wind, don't listen to sound? My point is you can't be consistent with the arguement in favor and against anything it that is not Eurocentric religious music. The enemy tries his best to kill, steal and destroy anything God has made. It is critical to him to disuade humans from using most from of musical expression in praise and worship to God, because we then look as if we side with him in withholding music(the thing for which he was created to give praise and worship to God) as praise and worship to God.

 

[Joe67]

Right, so what are you are going to stop breathing air, don't stand in the wind, don't listen to sound? My point is you can't be consistent with the arguement in favor and against anything it that is not Eurocentric religious music. The enemy tries his best to kill, steal and destroy anything God has made. It is critical to him to disuade humans from using most from of musical expression in praise and worship to God, because we then look as if we side with him in withholding music(the thing for which he was created to give praise and worship to God) as praise and worship to God.

Princessdi,

Only the Lord can call us out from Babylon and its sorceries.

Rev 18:1-10
8:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
KJV

Rev 18:21-19:1
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. KJV

We cannot call ourselves out from our lusts and our pride. When the Voice of the Lord speaks to us, then we move away from our love of pleasure.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

We are tempted to follow this thought pattern in many areas. For example . . .

Because some use sex in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view the very act of sex as suspect -- possibly evil.

Because some use food in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view food as suspect -- possibly evil.

Because some use music in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view music as suspect -- possibly evil.
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This type of all or nothing thinking leads to a form of spiritual anorexia that isn't healthy. Sex can glorify God. Food can glorify God. Music can glorify God. We should not impose our own hangups on others in a way that will unnecessarily limit their possibilities. Certainly, we should not establish limitations for others that God has never required.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Doing it one more time. This statement by BFA needs to be repeated until it sinks in! BFA, my point exactly! This type of thinking is also ALWAYS inconsistent, because it is not evenly applied to all situations. The most important being ourselves. God does not disregard, toss us away when we willingly go off the "path". He actually sent His Son to die for us.....even before we started on the path, knowing that we would stray.

We are tempted to follow this thought pattern in many areas. For example . . .

Because some use sex in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view the very act of sex as suspect -- possibly evil.

Because some use food in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view food as suspect -- possibly evil.

Because some use music in a way that it wasn't intended, we are tempted to view music as suspect -- possibly evil.
​

This type of all or nothing thinking leads to a form of spiritual anorexia that isn't healthy. Sex can glorify God. Food can glorify God. Music can glorify God. We should not impose our own hangups on others in a way that will unnecessarily limit their possibilities. Certainly, we should not establish limitations for others that God has never required.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

The Lord has left us a lively word of instruction.

Rom 1:28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; KJV

Rom 1:32
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. KJV

Rom 2:2
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. KJV

Rom 2:6
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: KJV

Rom 2:8-9
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; KJV

Rom 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Who defines "evil?"

Does God ever define music as "evil?" Under what circumstances?

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Who defines "evil?"

Does God ever define music as "evil?" Under what circumstances?

BFA

BFA,


Rom 7:21
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

BFA,


Rom 7:21
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
KJV

Joe

There are certain things that I avoid because I've recognized they have no value for me. However, I don't want to be the conscience of others on such things. In particular, I wouldn't want to claim that something is evil if there is no confirmation of that.

What I do know is that God is pleased with all sorts of music, including music that includes such expressive and loud percussion instruments as drums, cymbals and tambourines.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

What I do know is that God is pleased with all sorts of music, including music that includes such expressive and loud percussion instruments as drums, cymbals and tambourines.

BFA

In one thread you say that we understand nothing and now you claim to know the mind of God.....

Just sayin'....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

In one thread you say that we understand nothing and now you claim to know the mind of God.....

Just sayin'....

No, you can be quite sure that I do not understand the mind of God, nor would I ever claim to.

However, David confirms that we can worship Him through music that contains includes such expressive and loud percussion instruments as drums, cymbals and tambourines. That's good enough for me.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Exactly BFA! ERC, read Psalm 150(I know you probably have. maybe you just thought those were fancy names for piano and organ[as we know it today.] Hehehe!), they didn't exist. Those are inventions that came much later. Better yet, Here it is(emphasis mine):


Psalm 150


1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, is this clear enough?

 

[Joe67]

There are certain things that I avoid because I've recognized they have no value for me. However, I don't want to be the conscience of others on such things. In particular, I wouldn't want to claim that something is evil if there is no confirmation of that.

What I do know is that God is pleased with all sorts of music, including music that includes such expressive and loud percussion instruments as drums, cymbals and tambourines.

BFA

BFA,

The God of peace is pleased with that which is done through the blood of the everlasting covenant through Jesus Christ.

Heb 13:20-21
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. KJV

Rom 16:20
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. KJV

Joe

 

[Joe67]

No, you can be quite sure that I do not understand the mind of God, nor would I ever claim to.

However, David confirms that we can worship Him through music that contains includes such expressive and loud percussion instruments as drums, cymbals and tambourines. That's good enough for me.

BFA

BFA,

When the Lord transforms our minds (Romans 12:2) then he begins that working of grace that gives us our portion of the mind and life that he has given unto us in Jesus Christ, in its fullness.

1 Cor 2:16
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. KJV

Isa 53:12
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. KJV

John 1:16-18
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

BFA,

When the Lord transforms our minds (Romans 12:2) then he begins that working of grace that gives us our portion of the mind and life that he has given unto us in Jesus Christ, in its fullness.

Some of our friends seem to conclude that God has blessed them more than others. I certainly don't know whether he has or not, but I sense that there is no human who possesses all knowledge.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Some of our friends seem to conclude that God has blessed them more than others. I certainly don't know whether he has or not, but I sense that there is no human who possesses all knowledge.

BFA

We only can know the light that's given us.... we will spend an eternity learning all there is to know about God's character and truth and what His Love has done for us.

 

[Joe67]

Some of our friends seem to conclude that God has blessed them more than others. I certainly don't know whether he has or not, but I sense that there is no human who possesses all knowledge.

BFA

BFA,

1 Cor 13:9-13
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. KJV

Knowledge and prophecy are the childish foolishness means to bring us to repentance and faith, then he saves us by his grace through tribulations in his chastening of us as his children. Faith is the doorway to bring us into the room of grace to see the arm of the Lord in life's discipline of which we are all partakers.

1 Cor 1:21
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV

We are not saved by faith alone. We are justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Thereby we are reconciled to God's discipline. We are saved by God's workings in his arm of grace/chastening which is guided by the fire from his eyes.

Justification is sweet in the mouth, salvation is bitter in our belly, thus driving out the god of our belly.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Exactly BFA! ERC, read Psalm 150(I know you probably have. maybe you just thought those were fancy names for piano and organ[as we know it today.] Hehehe!), they didn't exist. Those are inventions that came much later. Better yet, Here it is(emphasis mine):


Psalm 150


1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, is this clear enough?

I think so. I'm not advocating for anything that David did not also see as worthwhile.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Hehehehe! Uh BFA, I was agreeing with you and posting the text for ECR to read for better understanding that you were not randomly claiming to know the mind of God.

I think so. I'm not advocating for anything that David did not also see as worthwhile.

BFA