The Music Thread

[Joe67]

Isa 28:22-24
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

23 Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

24 Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

It seems that people's objections to more modern praise choruses often go beyond the concept of repetition. In fact, there are a number of praise choruses that aren't repetitious at all (or certainly aren't any more repetitiuos than a hymn).

Other criticisms to more modern worship songs include:

1. The rhythm is too syncopated, leading to strange biological responses;
2. People need a hymnal so they know how to sing the song;
3. Songs lack overall depth;
4. Songs are unfamiliar.
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Have any of you heard such objections? Perhaps other ones too? What do you make of it?

BFA

 

[If Not For Grace]

We are whole people filled with reason, drives, emotions and needs. Life is most

fulfilling when we bring our whole selves into our experiences. Many activities cause us to engage more than one portion of our being. A moving sermon might move us to tears. A well written play might be immensely thought provoking. And a song might cause our toe to tap. When it does, I see no reason for concern.

Well Said-I don't know when we will realize ALL things can be used for Good or for Bad-it is not the thing itself, but our motives and interpretations that should be kept in check.

 

[Princessdi]

Ok?! somebody needed to tel David, and then we have Handel's Messiah where more often than not the songs are repetitive. then not let's talk about heaven where the angels cry Holy, holy, holy,............Nobody told them about repetition......you'd think if it got on God's nerves He would have said something long before now, right?

Honestly, I would truly love to know the source of this oft repeated myth. All the critics agree that David's psalms were built upon repetitive phrases. God has not placed a limit on the use of repetitive phrases. We may have personal preferences in this area -- and that's certainly OK -- but these opinions probably only have relevance to the one with the preference.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Yes, BFA, for shure! Been there, done that! Those are usually to one who are attempting to control worship service, trying their level best to avoid any kind of emotionalism, lest it rears it's unpredictable head. LOL!!!

It seems that people's objections to more modern praise choruses often go beyond the concept of repetition. In fact, there are a number of praise choruses that aren't repetitious at all (or certainly aren't any more repetitiuos than a hymn).

Other criticisms to more modern worship songs include:

1. The rhythm is too syncopated, leading to strange biological responses;
2. People need a hymnal so they know how to sing the song;
3. Songs lack overall depth;
4. Songs are unfamiliar.
​

Have any of you heard such objections? Perhaps other ones too? What do you make of it?

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Ok?! somebody needed to tel David, and then we have Handel's Messiah where more often than not the songs are repetitive. then not let's talk about heaven where the angels cry Holy, holy, holy,............Nobody told them about repetition......you'd think if it got on God's nerves He would have said something long before now, right?

Princessdi,

The angels desire to understand. It is not sin to cry day and night for deliverance.

1 Peter 1:12
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. KJV

Physical proximity does not bring angels understanding, just as physical proximity did not bring the disciples understanding. Understanding comes through the ministration of the Spirit, following knowledge and then wisdom.

When Moses and Jesus and Paul asked the Lord concerning certain desires, then after the third request the issue was resolved. This is a guide to us.

First knowledge, then wisdom and then comes understanding.

Prov 3:19-20
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew. KJV

I have participated in vain repetitions just as others. None of the elect children of the Lord have been without spot and wrinkle. But now he is calling his elect to come out of confusion and the glory of man, which is near to be cast into the oven.

Isa 40:6-8
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. KJV

Luke 12:28
28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Yes, BFA, for shure! Been there, done that! Those are usually to one who are attempting to control worship service, trying their level best to avoid any kind of emotionalism, lest it rears it's unpredictable head. LOL!!!

That's actually very true. There are many who are afraid of emotion and would prefer to bifurcate their entire being in order to avoid dealing with it. Here's the reality -- God created us to be emotional creatures. We bring these emotions into everything we do, including worship. We can either live in fear of this fact, or we can stop pretending that we aren't emotional creatures and choose to embrace God with the totality of our being.

Sometimes the ones who have the hardest time with this concept are the ones who see themselves as the most mature Christian in any room.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

This is true. There is a term we used at BSDA, "spiritual vulcans)(for terkkies)

To add also, that when we talk about being created in the image of God, we aften bring to mind and believe that it is about physical characteristics. it actually means that we were initially created in the "character" of God. the very place which through the sacrifice of Jesus, we are striving to return. In the Bible, each and every emotion is attributed to God at some point. Emotions are indeed that with which we were created. our Creator loving molding us with His own hands, when He could have just spoken us into existence along with everything else. How much more emtional can you get?

That's actually very true. There are many who are afraid of emotion and would prefer to bifurcate their entire being in order to avoid dealing with it. Here's the reality -- God created us to be emotional creatures. We bring these emotions into everything we do, including worship. We can either live in fear of this fact, or we can stop pretending that we aren't emotional creatures and choose to embrace God with the totality of our being.

Sometimes the ones who have the hardest time with this concept are the ones who see themselves as the most mature Christian in any room.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

This is true. There is a term we used at BSDA, "spiritual vulcans)(for terkkies)

To add also, that when we talk about being created in the image of God, we aften bring to mind and believe that it is about physical characteristics. it actually means that we were initially created in the "character" of God. the very place which through the sacrifice of Jesus, we are striving to return. In the Bible, each and every emotion is attributed to God at some point. Emotions are indeed that with which we were created. our Creator loving molding us with His own hands, when He could have just spoken us into existence along with everything else. How much more emtional can you get?

Princessdi,

Here is a Scripture that witnesses to the work of our beloved's hands.

Song 5:4-6
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.

5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer. KJV

And another witness:

Heb 1:10-12 (Psalm 102)
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. KJV

Joe

 

[JohnMarsten]

I started listening to reggae music about 15 years ago, I liked the music and some of its message, after committing myself to Christ I stopped listening to it, since I wasnt listening to any music at all and the church music didnt really appeal to me, well in music its not just the message that counts (at least for me),

after some time I started listening to reggae again, mostly dancehall this time round, without any mention of Selassie and stuff (for those unfamiliar with it, check the internet), anyway, to cut a long story short, I realized after some time that the music caused me to drift away, changed some of my attitudes etc.

As of today I like to listen to some good christian reggae like Stitchie or Claudelle Clarke. I believe the message is generally important, but what is more, it is the effect that counts. The music doesnt cause to think or do some evil things (in the sight of the Lord) and often times makes me feel better, keeps me focused, and gives me even greater insight as it is inspiring for me to check the bible in regard to certain matters.

However, I have also realized that not all artists (probably of all kinds of genres) are as good as the others, the music of some is dull, stupid, ridiculous. As if they were trying to copy the world into their music and I think this is not what we are supposed to do...

I guess it works like this:

Christian Rap will not convert somebody who is in the Rap scene but it may be uplifting to somebody who was in the rap environment, has come to Christ and likes that music, as for me, I cant stand that music

 

[Princessdi]

It is definteiy all about taste. I dont' like rap either, secualr(for sure), and gospel either. Reggae would not appeal to me either. However, there is something from everyone. Taht which uplifts and/or encourages you is just fine.