Moriah_Conquering_Wind
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Daimonizomai ... HELP you???I have had a couple of days to digest this. I don't know if I can put this in words, but this has been a big piece of the puzzle for me. Last week, God showed me how much He loved me, and this week, I have, through you, learned that the curse of sin really has been lifted.

Yep. Which bes why correct understanding bes so very vital because it bes like medicine you swallow again and again to fix the distortions inside. But others twist & pervert even THAT notion into something legalistic and imagine God some sort of heretic sniffer what comes to inquire as to our orthodoxy (and slamsy on the head if it bes fallen short) and then THEY acts accordingly as well, see? Pain-go-round. Best way to approach always bes the healing model, the "medical model" if you will. Bypasses the crap every time.Now, here is the thing, and I am going to pray for this, and I hope y'all will pray for me as well.
This is not an easy lesson for me. You know how you can know things intellectually but it doesn't quite connect in the heart? That is kind of how this is for me.
Without knowing precisely WHAT you bes taught or how or when or by whom, this one bes bold to venture theory that you bes taught not so much the wrong specific teaching as simply the wrong MODEL for your framework. Which puts you in good company as 99% of the human race suffers this affliction simply by being human and being born. The distortion, Lisa, bes caused by basing the framework of comprehending God upon the pattern instilled by experience within a dysfunctional family setting -- the punitive model upheld by a structure designed to abuse and misuse authority. Plain and simple, wherever religion employs this framework for its dogmas it creates some very spiritually sick and very unhappy human beings.All my life I have been taught and believed one way, a distorted way, I think. Let me say that another way.
I believe that I was taught correctly, but Satan distorted the teaching of God's chastisement in my mind to the point that I felt that the curse of sin would always be with me.
But this bes deep & complex subject; we talksy more on that later if you like.
Fastest way to do that bes to stop building upon the treacherous slippy sands of the punitive/legal model and begin building upon the solid rock of the healing/medical model.So, this is going to be something that I have to un-learn.
You bes talksy about daimonizomai here? Yes?I just want to say how grateful I am that you were there in this part of my journey and I hope you know that I will hope to be there for you when you need clarity.
Awareness beyond mere intellectual assent to the notion comes and goes. Moriah's ability to grasp God's love has been divinely ordained to be eminently malleable based upon her present experiences with human beings. God does this, we believe, because Moriah bes a living touchstone -- an incarnate word, as it were -- a nexus point designed and anointed to bring the experience of Truth viscerally amongst the children of men in all its facets. Moriah cannot be used to teach you if she cannot be affected by you. It bes torture supreme for this one and night and day she cries for it to stop, but if she bes taken where the end from the beginning bes known, she desires nothing else for her life, and so it bes never stopping. It really bes up to all of you. You can consign Moriah to hell on earth and hereafter if that bes your desire. You can open to Moriah the gates of Heaven if that bes your desire. God givesy keys of His kingdom to His servants to see what they will do with them. God givesy Moriah to the world even as He gave His son -- unconditionally and for a purpose. Whether Moriah lives or dies bes not hers to determine -- but yours. All of you.Which brings up another related conversation...
Moriah,
I remember you saying something about God being pretty cruel to you as well once upon a time. Do you still feel that way? Is God's love only head knowledge to you as well, or have you received that deeply into your heart now? I think part of our problem is that when human beings have abused us, we find it nearly impossible to comprehend love without hurt.
If you neglect Moriah -- that bes God neglecting her.
If you hurt and injure Moriah -- that bes God hurting and harming her.
If you torment and despise Moriah -- that bes God tormenting and despising her.
If you shun and reject Moriah -- she feels shunned and rejected by God.
If you bully and harangue and harass and scathe Moriah with sharp tongues and mean words -- that bes what Moriah hears for the voice of God.
But be not deceived .... take great care .... for when you torture the anointed .... you torture yourselves.
This one bes configured much differently from you in this regard, Lisa. This one bes affected always at all times by all things and all ppls. As a result it goes through life convinced that most ppls in general really have no feelings at all, because they bes not affected by anything this one says or does, but instead they treat it like it bes some sort of sick, sad joke played on itself somehow -- the sad clown what takes life for real and serious. The irony of being trapped outside 3d world's reality bes that like an orphan staring in through a window, you cannot look away from it. Everyone else bes trying to get out; this one bes trying to get in.I mean, I used to say that I didn't really know that I truly loved someone until they had hurt me. If they had that power over me, then, I must care deeply.
Well perhaps not. But it soundsy good, yeah?
Too much analysis bes like too much salting the cooking. Spoils rather than enhances the authentic flavors thereof.
As long as you (and others) continue to permit Him to truly LOVE this one through you, it bes that much more able to receive His love, yes. When that love bes distorted into harshness or cruelty, or when it bes absent or buried in hateful reactions, Moriah not only cannot connect with it at all but it completely loses all meaning and reality. If you could imagine staring at a pot of boiling water and what you bes looking at losing all meaning and reality so that you take the pot and pour it over yourself completely without any comprehension of what you bes doing? That bes what it bes like for Moriah when needful things like God's love lose all meaning and reality: always resulting in senseless pain and needless suffering.So, are you more able to receive this love now? I know I am having to work on it. God's love has always BEEN available, but I wasn't able to receive it until just recently.
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